Guest Gritz Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 No Progress MadeI'm past being tired of this....Either fix it in the next week or blow up the season...(oh, and for the anal retentive "Correct Forum Police" this directly affects the Atlanta Falcons since they are one of the 32 teams in the National Football League.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I think the "Rookie Salary Cap" is the last hurdle. I heard this in passing on the radio and have no link. I still think July 15 is the end game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I don't know why the court would even announce it knowing how the owners would react. They were just chugging along with the new CBA and then now they have something else added. It's stupid. If the court waited to rule on the case, they probably would have worked through the weekend. Once that came out, I knew nothing was going to happen. I hope they get it done on the 16th so the owners lose $800MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_fan Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Owners are on easy street. Smith has failed the players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supes™ Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 This is getting to be like a proverbial roller coaster ride. Next week should tell the tale.I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I just don't have a good feeling about it at this point. Lawyers+courts+money+greed = BIG DAM MESS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouTexFalcon Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 This is getting to be like a proverbial roller coaster ride. Next week should tell the tale.I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I just don't have a good feeling about it at this point. Layers+courts+money+greed = BIG DAM MESS!And a big d*mn mess equals alot of mad and bummed out fans. This is becoming ludacris. One day we get a report and we feel The next hour, we are farther away from a deal :blink: This is making my head hurt :wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Layers+courts+money+greed = BIG DAM MESS!Fixed for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hoopah! Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 This is getting to be like a proverbial roller coaster ride. Next week should tell the tale.I don't mean to be pessimistic, but I just don't have a good feeling about it at this point. Layers+courts+money+greed = BIG DAM MESS!False. Layers are relatively mess free, and they're delicious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supes™ Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 False. Layers are relatively mess free, and they're delicious.Dammit. Spell-check failed me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 Dammit. Spell-check failed me!Don't worry. It fails me two. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I don't know why the court would even announce it knowing how the owners would react. They were just chugging along with the new CBA and then now they have something else added. It's stupid. If the court waited to rule on the case, they probably would have worked through the weekend. Once that came out, I knew nothing was going to happen. I hope they get it done on the 16th so the owners lose $800MMseriously. the handful of owners that keep staling this deal now believe they have a ton of leverage and are going to want more of the pie. It is sad the courts couldnt have waited and decided to do this when it seemed like they were actually making progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 seriously. the handful of owners that keep staling this deal now believe they have a ton of leverage and are going to want more of the pie. It is sad the courts couldnt have waited and decided to do this when it seemed like they were actually making progress.I don't think the court ruling has anything to do w/ any delay. EVERYBODY knew the owners were going to win that court ruling.This will get worked out in the next 6 days - deal done by Friday, July 15th - that has been the deadline all along. It probably will get done on the last day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I was worried this would happen. The owners are fools if they try to use this as leverage. They are not out of the anti-trust woods yet. They could end up having to pay the players for a lost season three times over. It would be ridiculous for them to use this as an incentive for a power grab. It would be a huge gamble on the owners part, to push back now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supes™ Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 paulitik, would you say that all bets are off if an agreement isn't reached by the end of next week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 paulitik, would you say that all bets are off if an agreement isn't reached by the end of next week?I don't know what my brother paulitik will say but I would think if something doesn't get done in the next week and there continues to be regression instead of progress then the whole dayum thing may very well blow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falken Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 How to End the Lockout Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 How to End the Lockout Now!Man, I absolutely love all those "stealth Grimes" pics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 paulitik, would you say that all bets are off if an agreement isn't reached by the end of next week?I honestly don't know. It just seems a ridiculously stupid gamble for the owners to take it that far. It just seems absurd to me, when you are fighting over money, to shut down business from a few weeks of the preseason, to a entireseason, just for the satisfaction of saying you won. The court pussed out and left the anti-trust issue wide open. That's why I've been aganst the lockout from the beginning. It was overkill. You have lawyers like Kessler who is there for the agents, that would love nothing more than an all out war to take apart the NFL. Then you have the owners playing hardball, doing nothing but antagonizing the players and making their case for them. The NFL has it better than any major sport, and they took it for granted. The owners could have their lockout, and still end up paying the players anyway. The owners need to stay humble. If they let this linger, they are only ensuring what they were supposedly trying to prevent. It's so frustrating. It seems like everyone was coming to their senses, then the court ruled, and now everything is up in the air. Well, looks like I picked a good time to start playing guitar again. At least I can go to it and not get pissed off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted July 9, 2011 Share Posted July 9, 2011 I honestly don't know. It just seems a ridiculously stupid gamble for the owners to take it that far. It just seems absurd to me, when you are fighting over money, to shut down business from a few weeks of the preseason, to a entireseason, just for the satisfaction of saying you won. The court pussed out and left the anti-trust issue wide open. That's why I've been aganst the lockout from the beginning. It was overkill. You have lawyers like Kessler who is there for the agents, that would love nothing more than an all out war to take apart the NFL. Then you have the owners playing hardball, doing nothing but antagonizing the players and making their case for them. The NFL has it better than any major sport, and they took it for granted. The owners could have their lockout, and still end up paying the players anyway. The owners need to stay humble. If they let this linger, they are only ensuring what they were supposedly trying to prevent. It's so frustrating. It seems like everyone was coming to their senses, then the court ruled, and now everything is up in the air. Well, looks like I picked a good time to start playing guitar again. At least I can go to it and not get pissed off.I see we are back to the "blame game".I'm not biting and neither should you. What exact proof does anyone have that a delay in an agreement has to do with the court decision......well.....exactly, there is no proof!The deadline to settle and still have free agency, get rooks signed and not miss any pre-season games is July 15th. If the owners/players miss that date, then I will worry.until then, there is no point in any of us whining about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 This is the owner's lockout. The players have done nothing but repeatedly concede to their terms.They've agreed to take less share, a more fair way to assess that share, as opposed to money off the top. The owners are forcing their way with the right of first refusal BS, and trying to play around with share percentages with accounting tricks, proving that all of their previous offers were disingenuous. Progress stalled when the owners won in court. Maybe that's circumstantial evidence, but still the same. The lockout will always be on the owners, they have the keys, and are the only ones that can stop it. The 8th's ruling only reaffirms it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamee101 Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 I don't think the court ruling has anything to do w/ any delay. EVERYBODY knew the owners were going to win that court ruling.This will get worked out in the next 6 days - deal done by Friday, July 15th - that has been the deadline all along. It probably will get done on the last dayI agree.I think the owners realized last month even if they "won" this ruling they weren't really winning b/c the closer we get to missing games...THEY LOSE! It gave them more leverage that things seemed to be swaying in their favor but when Jones and a few other owners were having secret meetings it told me they knew they had to be proactive in getting something done. I say be Wednesday we'll have something done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamPlayer1 Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 No Progress MadeI'm past being tired of this....Either fix it in the next week or blow up the season...(oh, and for the anal retentive "Correct Forum Police" this directly affects the Atlanta Falcons since they are one of the 32 teams in the National Football League.)Gritz,I have finished throwing up and wiping my mouth and with a blank eyed stare I realize we may not have Falcons football in 2011.Once the losses begin for the owners the fence sitters will fall in line with the hardliners and the season will be lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Gritz,I have finished throwing up and wiping my mouth and with a blank eyed stare I realize we may not have Falcons football in 2011.Once the losses begin for the owners the fence sitters will fall in line with the hardliners and the season will be lost.that is my fear also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattywankenobi Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 POOP OR GET OFF THE POT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 This is the owner's lockout. The players have done nothing but repeatedly concede to their terms.They've agreed to take less share, a more fair way to assess that share, as opposed to money off the top. The owners are forcing their way with the right of first refusal BS, and trying to play around with share percentages with accounting tricks, proving that all of their previous offers were disingenuous. Progress stalled when the owners won in court. Maybe that's circumstantial evidence, but still the same. The lockout will always be on the owners, they have the keys, and are the only ones that can stop it. The 8th's ruling only reaffirms it.You should have a job in the media, as you seems to know 1000 times more about the detaisl of the negotiations than any media outlet. Either that, or you have an agenda and are making this stuff up.Breer's article is just lame, lazy journalism. He clearly has no substantive evidence of any delay, he gives no proper explanation for the delay and doesn't attribute it to either side. If Friday's ruling slowed progress at all, it is probbaly because both sides had to go their separate ways for a time to read and digest the judgment - when they could have been negotiating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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