g-dawg Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 AsoAsoAsoAso.....Would you guys quit being "Aso's" and forget about him.Nnamdi Asoumugha is going to get a 5yr deal at $15mil/yr - he will be making more than Matt Ryan.As great as Aso is, he will be 30yrs old to start the season and he will be in decline in about two years - so you will be overpaying for 3 of the 5 years of the contract.Brent Grimes and Dunta Robinson are probably a better combo of corners than 70-80% of the NFL corners out there. The problem is a lack of pass rush and a passive defensive scheme. To fix the defense we need:1) To sign a DE (Charles Johnson, Ray Edwards or Jason Babin)2) Stay Healthy3) More aggressive secondary coverage (more bump-n-run)4) Better disguised Blitzes5) further development of a healthy Sean Weatherspoon.We don't need Aso. Besides that, we are back in the salary cap area that many of you have forgotten because there was no salary cap the last year or two. While Aso might permanently fix the secondary, the Falcons would start leaking in other areas with the inability to spend money at other position needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattywankenobi Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Sooooo....what you're really saying is we need to get Champ Bailey. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 i'll go a lil further and say not only the development of just spoon, but all our LBs need to get better in drops and reading the QBs to get where they need to be... and better execution of the blitzes, im tired of seeing some of our guys falling down during a blitz, thats just sad... the only game where i can say i was proud of our guys on there blitz package is the monday night against NO.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mashburn Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Sooooo....what you're really saying is we need to get Champ Bailey. :PNo, champ needs to run the d. He might be good enough to try something other then zone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falken Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 1,000 to 1 that we would get ASO - enough already!Soooo.......you're saying we have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMeatTroughsEgo Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) Don't forget the development of Kroy, Peters, Jerry, Sidbury, Adkins, Franks. I mean who knows what anybody can do with their chance Edited July 8, 2011 by DaMeatTrough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Don't forget the development of Kroy, Peters, Jerry, Sidbury, Adkins, Franks. I mean who knows what anybody can do with their chancei hear ya.. some ppl on here just want to add top players on here like there isnt any talent sitting on the bench ready to prove they can play.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 He's right on this thread, we won't get him, but if we did get him, oh man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I think 1000 to 1 is generous. IT. IS. NOT. HAPPENING. Cease your internal dialogue, forget your objections, go outside, play in traffic. I'm right. IT'S NOT HAPPENING. Thank you. Have a nice day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 So people think we will get Aso. Who cares. It doesn't affect your life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 So people think we will get Aso. Who cares. It doesn't affect your life.Who said that is effects our life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Nobody man. But you miss my point. People want us to get one of the best defensive players in the NFL. So what? Some of you are making a big deal out of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 1000 to 1?!? I got 5 on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 AsoAsoAsoAso.....Would you guys quit being "Aso's" and forget about him.Nnamdi Asoumugha is going to get a 5yr deal at $15mil/yr - he will be making more than Matt Ryan.As great as Aso is, he will be 30yrs old to start the season and he will be in decline in about two years - so you will be overpaying for 3 of the 5 years of the contract.Brent Grimes and Dunta Robinson are probably a better combo of corners than 70-80% of the NFL corners out there. The problem is a lack of pass rush and a passive defensive scheme. To fix the defense we need:1) To sign a DE (Charles Johnson, Ray Edwards or Jason Babin)2) Stay Healthy3) More aggressive secondary coverage (more bump-n-run)4) Better disguised Blitzes5) further development of a healthy Sean Weatherspoon.We don't need Aso. Besides that, we are back in the salary cap area that many of you have forgotten because there was no salary cap the last year or two. While Aso might permanently fix the secondary, the Falcons would start leaking in other areas with the inability to spend money at other position needs.Didn't you create a thread like this about Julio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Don't forget the development of Kroy, Peters, Jerry, Sidbury, Adkins, Franks. I mean who knows what anybody can do with their chanceThis. 8 out of 10 posters here dont want to see those guys develop. As soon as analyst started saying we would try to sign Edwards, everyone lost there mind. When they said we would draft a DE, everyone climbed on that boat and held on tight until TD sunk them like the Titanic. Signing big name FA is not always the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 Soooo.......you're saying we have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 As great as Aso is, he will be 30yrs old to start the season and he will be in decline in about two years - so you will be overpaying for 3 of the 5 years of the contract.The same goes for Clabo. Everybody wants to resign him but why? I don't want a 33 year old RT. Everybody keeps saying OL play a long time. But nobody mentions the drop off when they can't anymore. Orlando Pace is a prime example. All World but when he overstayed his career and went to Chicago, he looked terrible. Even Matt Light isn't the same and he is 33. I say franchise tag Clabo. Give him $10MM for a year or let him walk. The problem is a lack of pass rush and a passive defensive scheme. 3) More aggressive secondary coverage (more bump-n-run)4) Better disguised BlitzesOur defensive scheme is no longer as passive as the 08 and 09 defenses. BVG started sending the house towards the end of the season. But when your nickel can't finish the play, the defense looks bad so you have to stop calling those types of plays until you get a player that can execute. Also, Grimes is the only one who played off towards the end of the season full time. DRob played up on the line a lot more. Grimes isn't built for bump and run. But Grimes can play off and not need safety help because he rarely gets beat deep anymore. So when we blitz, its risk going short towards Grimes' side, wait for DRob's man to get open, or attack the LBs. So since the middle of the field was the weakest because guys like Lofton suck in coverage, we got burned blitzing against teams with more than 3 WRs. Hopefully Spoon comes back strong and we keep Nicholas. And I think that now we have players that know how to blitz (Moore, Spoon), our defense as a whole has gotten better at it compared to 08-09 when guys like Coleman would just run into the OL aimlessly. Willy Mo in particular is the best blitzer as he knows how to time the snap and shoot gaps. I never thought blitzing was that hard when I played but apparently guys don't know the objective unless you are coached by Rex Ryan or D*ck Lebeau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 The same goes for Clabo. Everybody wants to resign him but why? I don't want a 33 year old RT. Everybody keeps saying OL play a long time. But nobody mentions the drop off when they can't anymore. Orlando Pace is a prime example. All World but when he overstayed his career and went to Chicago, he looked terrible. Even Matt Light isn't the same and he is 33. I say franchise tag Clabo. Give him $10MM for a year or let him walk. Our defensive scheme is no longer as passive as the 08 and 09 defenses. BVG started sending the house towards the end of the season. But when your nickel can't finish the play, the defense looks bad so you have to stop calling those types of plays until you get a player that can execute. Also, Grimes is the only one who played off towards the end of the season full time. DRob played up on the line a lot more. Grimes isn't built for bump and run. But Grimes can play off and not need safety help because he rarely gets beat deep anymore. So when we blitz, its risk going short towards Grimes' side, wait for DRob's man to get open, or attack the LBs. So since the middle of the field was the weakest because guys like Lofton suck in coverage, we got burned blitzing against teams with more than 3 WRs. Hopefully Spoon comes back strong and we keep Nicholas. And I think that now we have players that know how to blitz (Moore, Spoon), our defense as a whole has gotten better at it compared to 08-09 when guys like Coleman would just run into the OL aimlessly. Willy Mo in particular is the best blitzer as he knows how to time the snap and shoot gaps. I never thought blitzing was that hard when I played but apparently guys don't know the objective unless you are coached by Rex Ryan or D*ck Lebeau.i think Falcons blitzes are poorly designed. BVG declares who is blitzing too early which gives a smart QB time to instruct the O-Line on where to pick up the blocking assigments. We definitely need to be more deceptive in scheming the blitzes IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 i think Falcons blitzes are poorly designed. BVG declares who is blitzing too early which gives a smart QB time to instruct the O-Line on where to pick up the blocking assigments. We definitely need to be more deceptive in scheming the blitzes IMHO.BVG isn't the one on the field. The players have to use their head when disguising a blitz. Look at Moore. He is the best at it and even when the QB knows he is coming, they don't really know from where. Yes, he can tell them to disguise it just like he can tell them to sack the QB but it's ultimately up to the players. The best one he has is when all the LBs are in the gaps so the QB doesn't know who is coming, forcing the RB to stay in and block taking him out of the play. I hate his zone blitzes dropping JA98 and DTs into coverage. Leave that to Biermann/Abe, if anybody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isproab Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I don't know why people keep talking about it. He just turned 30 and the Falcons tend to like younger players. He is also going to cost even more that Dunta Robinson cost us last year. Not to mention Grimes is a free agent that will be brought back as he will be somewhat cheaper.Falcons will spend big money on a DE, maybe if they don't get a DE they go elsewhere but I really doubt it would be Nnamdi. Robinson makes on average over 9 million a year. Grimes I'm sure will be making north of 4.5 million a year on average and you think the Falcons would bring in Nnamdi who is going to make at least 9.5 million a year on average? Who are you going to sit when your nickle is not on the field? 4.5 for a nickle is a ton of money and that is a conservative estimate. In 2009, Ron Bartell was given a 4 year 28 million dollar deal. Grimes could get the same type of contract in terms of average money. Nnamdi just does not work unless he is our top free agent, even then 3 high priced CB's seems like a lot.I brought it up before, I think Richard Marshall of Carolina make more financial sense, especially if you get a Ray Edwards. I could see Marshall and Grimes being in the same type of range with Marshall not making as much b/c he does not have the pro-bowl type season to stand on. Marshall and Grimes I bet you could have both for about 4.5 and 5.5 a year. Two for the price of Nnamdi alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I won't ever put anything past this FO after the Julio trade. I think it's pointless to speculate one way or the other. Do I think it's possible? Yes. Probable? No. We are in the middle of a lockout, so I'm not going to begrudge anyone's fantasy of picking him up, nor bringing up the possibility to start a discussion. It's better than arguing Owners vs Players. To type in all caps that there is no way Asomugha becomes a Falcon is no more ridiculous than posting that we are going to sign him. TD and the FO are the only ones who know for sure. That said, as much as I love Brent Grimes, I'll take Asomugha in a New York minute. Grimes can be an effective playmaker in the nickel. If we can shut down an entire side of the field, I say do it, if we can afford to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted July 8, 2011 Author Share Posted July 8, 2011 I won't ever put anything past this FO after the Julio trade. I think it's pointless to speculate one way or the other. Do I think it's possible? Yes. Probable? No. We are in the middle of a lockout, so I'm not going to begrudge anyone's fantasy of picking him up, nor bringing up the possibility to start a discussion. It's better than arguing Owners vs Players. To type in all caps that there is no way Asomugha becomes a Falcon is no more ridiculous than posting that we are going to sign him. TD and the FO are the only ones who know for sure. That said, as much as I love Brent Grimes, I'll take Asomugha in a New York minute. Grimes can be an effective playmaker in the nickel. If we can shut down an entire side of the field, I say do it, if we can afford to.Paulitik,Anybody on this board would love to have Aso on this team. I'm sure Thomas Dimitroff and Mike Smith would like to have him as well. I believe Arthur Blank has fostered an "all-in" kind of mentality in Flowery Branch as well.The problem is the $$$$. I have no doubt that Arthur would pony up the money to sign Aso. If there was not going to be a salary cap then I think the Falcons could be "in-the-mix" for getting Aso.Having said that, there IS going to be a salary cap, Falcons need to re-sign Grimes and a few others and most importantly, Falcons MUST sign a Defensive End IMHO.If Falcons chose to forego signing a D-End and forego re-signing Brent Grimes - then Falcons could be in the mix.I just don't see it. There is no doubt that Aso is going to get $14-$15 mil/per season and that is a lot of jack. That would really hamstring this team in future w/ making moves. To put it in perspective, that would be like Falcons having 25% of their cap room in two players - Matt Ryan/Nnamdi Asomugha. This assumes average cap figure/salary of $15mil/yr for both players and a $120million cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 I won't ever put anything past this FO after the Julio trade. I think it's pointless to speculate one way or the other. Do I think it's possible? Yes. Probable? No. We are in the middle of a lockout, so I'm not going to begrudge anyone's fantasy of picking him up, nor bringing up the possibility to start a discussion. It's better than arguing Owners vs Players. To type in all caps that there is no way Asomugha becomes a Falcon is no more ridiculous than posting that we are going to sign him. TD and the FO are the only ones who know for sure. That said, as much as I love Brent Grimes, I'll take Asomugha in a New York minute. Grimes can be an effective playmaker in the nickel. If we can shut down an entire side of the field, I say do it, if we can afford to.Words of wisdom and truth .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didz Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Your not anything if you don't sign, Aso, Charles Johnson, trade for Terrell Suggs and Ngata and re create Lawrence Taylor in his prime. We are screwed!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Paulitik,Anybody on this board would love to have Aso on this team. I'm sure Thomas Dimitroff and Mike Smith would like to have him as well. I believe Arthur Blank has fostered an "all-in" kind of mentality in Flowery Branch as well.The problem is the $$$$. I have no doubt that Arthur would pony up the money to sign Aso. If there was not going to be a salary cap then I think the Falcons could be "in-the-mix" for getting Aso.Having said that, there IS going to be a salary cap, Falcons need to re-sign Grimes and a few others and most importantly, Falcons MUST sign a Defensive End IMHO.If Falcons chose to forego signing a D-End and forego re-signing Brent Grimes - then Falcons could be in the mix.I just don't see it. There is no doubt that Aso is going to get $14-$15 mil/per season and that is a lot of jack. That would really hamstring this team in future w/ making moves. To put it in perspective, that would be like Falcons having 25% of their cap room in two players - Matt Ryan/Nnamdi Asomugha. This assumes average cap figure/salary of $15mil/yr for both players and a $120million cap.I don't disagree with you, it doesn't seem likely. But we don't know for sure what the cap will be, and we don't know for sure who will be re-signed. Everything NFL is pure speculation until we have an agreement.I think the Julio trade made it pretty obvious that we want to win now. I doubt very seriously we do go after him, I just think it's way to premature to say one way or the other. If Arhtur and TD really want him, they'll find a way to get him. Personally, I think he's worth trying to get. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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