Mr. Hoopah! Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 SMH. Owners are actin the fool. espn.comOptimism is waning after four consecutive days of negotiations between NFL owners and players and was described as trending "backwards," player sources told ESPN.Player sources said owners have reneged on a simplified formula that would have given players 48 percent of all revenue.Player sources reaffirmed that a setback in talks occurred when owners last week went "retro" on the formula that will divide the estimated $9.3 billion in annual revenue. Whereas the players believed the two sides had reached an understanding on a simplified formula in which they would receive 48 percent of all revenue, sources say owners re-introduced its previous formual by asking for $400 million-to-$500 million in expenses credits off the top.Mike and Mike in the MorningDetroit Lions DT Ndamukong Suh says he hears that lockout negotiations are going well. Suh says it's on each player individually to be ready to play when the lockout ends.More Podcasts »Players calculate that under the owners' proposal, it would leave them with approximately with a 45 percent take on revenue, an "unacceptable" amount that one player source said "sets us back to March 11 ... before the lockout."A management source said the owners have not reneged on any revenue split, claiming "it's a negotiation, which is always subject to change"Player sources contend the owners' terms changed when the two sides convened a day after owners met June 21 in Chicago. A source said the players went into Thursday's negotiating session with owners at the table, hoping to "get them back on track. They wouldn't move. It's disappointing."Indianapolis Colts veteran center Jeff Saturday was spearheading a conference call Thursday afternoon with player leadership after talks concluded.NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and NFL Players Association head DeMaurice Smith were joined by U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan and a handful of owners -- John Mara of the New York Giants, Clark Hunt of the Kansas City Chiefs, Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys and Robert Kraft of the New England Patriots -- and players including Saturday, Brian Waters of the Chiefs and Domonique Foxworth of the Baltimore Ravens at a Minneapolis law firm for Thursday's talks.The latest round of negotiations between the two sides -- the fifth since they began hopping from city to city for clandestine meetings -- kicked off Tuesday with Goodell, Smith, their attorneys and staffs.This location is significant because Minneapolis is where the players have filed a still-pending federal antitrust suit against the owners. The two sides met here for six days of court-ordered mediation under Boylan in April and May.NFL Labor Negotiations and LockoutThe NFL lockout began on March 11, with no obvious end in sight. ESPN.com Topics keeps you up to date on all of the latest on the labor situation. More »The July 4 holiday weekend has been floated by some of the members of their respective parties as a rough target for a deal, and that time has nearly arrived.Owners and players are seeking a deal that would divide revenues for the $9 billion business -- the biggest hurdle to clear -- and guide league activities for years to come.Goodell and Smith took questions from rookies at an orientation in Sarasota, Fla., Wednesday, but they didn't offer specifics.Smith invited Goodell to the orientation symposium for NFL rookies -- put on by the players' association after the NFL canceled the event -- and the pair flew to Florida on Tuesday night. After a joint breakfast Wednesday, they talked for an hour with 155 rookies before returning to Minnesota.Smith and Goodell certainly seem closer than when the lockout began March 12 and the hope is that it leads to a new deal soon. Training camps are scheduled to open in three weeks with the Hall of Fame exhibition game on Aug. 7.Since players don't get their regular paychecks until the regular season and revenue for the league revolves heavily around Sunday games, the financial urgency arguably hasn't arrived.Rookies need to start learning their playbooks, though, and teams need free agency to arrange their rosters. Plus, a 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel is still weighing a final decision on the legality of the lockout.Chris Mortensen is ESPN's senior NFL analyst. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Pickle1 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Both sides acting the fool. When the players could agree to that right now, and make a VERY nice living, then both sides are being ridiculous. If we miss games, I'm not spending another dime. I'll mooch off the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quizztorris Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I hope that the owners aren't stupid and stick to their guns on this. First of all, if this causes a hang up the owners would potentially lose 700 million from the pre season this year alone when they want an extra 400-500 million. Furthermore, the damage it would do to the reputation of the league would cause much larger loses in the future. Just compromise.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Daywalker Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCoQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.allheadlinenews.com%2Farticles%2F90053066%3FNFL%2520labor%2520talks%2520in%2520high%2520gear%2520in%2520attempt%2520to%2520end%2520lockout&rct=j&q=nfl%20labor&ei=2hINTvbOApOdgQfxwZWIDg&usg=AFQjCNGn7SB5wkeocdXYAFHaekvREh4cCAThis was 5 hrs ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdz4i Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 it doesn t look like the nba is learning anything from the debacle of the nfl lockout. bout to say f*** pro sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaFanatic Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I swear if the Thrashers don't have a season next year im going to be pizzed..... oh wait.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 So Unions are set to try to ruin pro basketball as well, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 So Unions are set to try to ruin pro basketball as well, eh?Sure is looking like it ......Bazebore may be the only thing left .......bastids .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Sure is looking like it ......Bazebore may be the only thing left .......bastids ....You know. .antitrust legislation should ALSO apply to Unions monopolies on Labor. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 You know. .antitrust legislation should ALSO apply to Unions monopolies on Labor. . .I agree ...Excuse me while I go puke up my breakfast ......this thread has ruined my day, and I don't even feel like posting anymore right now ...gonna take a break for a few days .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 ESPN may not have reported the very latest update:**Edit** They have the lastet information, but the title paints a picture of setback.They Negotiated Late into the Night til 1AM this Morning.MINNEAPOLIS -- At one point Thursday, labor talks between NFL owners and players seemed to be in serious peril.In the end, the owners and players -- who returned to the talks after their legal teams negotiated through the first three days this week -- logged nearly 16 hours before U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan, working into the wee hours. NFL general counsel Jeff Pash and outside counsel Bob Batterman were the last participants to leave the building, at just before 1 a.m. local time.The parties will return to the bargaining table at 8 a.m. Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 ESPN may not have reported the very latest update:**Edit** They have the lastet information, but the title paints a picture of setback.They Negotiated Late into the Night til 1AM this Morning.MINNEAPOLIS -- At one point Thursday, labor talks between NFL owners and players seemed to be in serious peril.In the end, the owners and players -- who returned to the talks after their legal teams negotiated through the first three days this week -- logged nearly 16 hours before U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan, working into the wee hours. NFL general counsel Jeff Pash and outside counsel Bob Batterman were the last participants to leave the building, at just before 1 a.m. local time.The parties will return to the bargaining table at 8 a.m. Friday.All drama. Money is about to be lost by both sides in particular(owners) this month so something will get done. Media hype to get hits and stir controversy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 All drama. Money is about to be lost by both sides in particular(owners) this month so something will get done. Media hype to get hits and stir controversy.ESPN says they'll resume at 9 this morningNFL.com says 8...LOL....In the very end...the owners stand to lose more from not having football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I don't believe anything said publicly by either side unless the actions back it up. 15 hours straight with another session in 7 hours is not trending backwards. Wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to wait until the NBA went to lockout to make themselves look better. Not that I'm cynical or anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I don't believe anything said publicly by either side unless the actions back it up. 15 hours straight with another session in 7 hours is not trending backwards. Wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to wait until the NBA went to lockout to make themselves look better. Not that I'm cynical or anything...Yeah...that is a lot of long hours to be "trending backwards." It's really interesting that a "lock out" trend has started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I don't believe anything said publicly by either side unless the actions back it up. 15 hours straight with another session in 7 hours is not trending backwards. Wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to wait until the NBA went to lockout to make themselves look better. Not that I'm cynical or anything...I stand accused. The NFL has to feed the pigeons(media outlets). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEORGIAfan Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 So Unions are set to try to ruin pro basketball as well, eh?you are so blinded by your hate of unions. the NBA and NFL union want the same deal, while the owners want to take their shares. the players agreed to take a 5 percent cut just from last year to this year, but overall they could lose 7% over the course of the pervious CBA. the owners are again trying to take more of the pie after the players agree to an offer they put out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 you are so blinded by your hate of unions. the NBA and NFL union want the same deal, while the owners want to take their shares. the players agreed to take a 5 percent cut just from last year to this year, but overall they could lose 7% over the course of the pervious CBA. the owners are again trying to take more of the pie after the players agree to an offer they put out.If I wanted to go that route, I could say that you are blinded by your LOVE of unions. I don't agree with the strategy, tactics and general actions of most unions. I have plenty of unions I have no problems with. Trade unions. Unions of electrical engineers. . etcetera.Frankly, though, I think unions should be subject to the same antitrust things they apply to businesses; a union should not be able to exercise a monopoly on employees. Yes, I think the unions, on the face of what they want, are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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