interseting graphic while re-watching the Seattle game

[raysnill1]

this goes two ways:

Matt Ryan is either REALLY good at avoiding the rush, getting the ball out; or the line ain't as bad as yall think. mind you, there were only 2 games left after the Hawks game so it pretty much goes for the whole season. you don't give up the fewest amount of sacks being the second MOST blitzed team in the league if your line sucks.

Edited June 29, 2011 by raysnill1

[raysnill1]

with that said, I wish we would re-sign Blalock & Clabo, and let's see what Mike Johnson could do. if we could get him for cheap, I wouldn't mind giving Jared Gaither a shot. with his injury history we may be able to get him for a song.

[atljbo]

But thats mostly on Ryan getting the ball out of his hand...Not saying our O-Line suck or taking anything from them... Our O-Line is good as a unit... Ryan also gets the ball out of his hand ...

[g-dawg]

I'm not saying our O-Line sucks either but....

Matt Ryan is REALLY GOOD at getting rid of the football when pressured. And Matt Ryan gets pressured A LOT....

I don't see a consistent pocket for Matt, and that is why we do so many rollouts. The O-Line needs to get A LOT better in pass protection and Matt needs a cleaner pocket to really get into the upper echelon on the passing game to be as dangerous and EXPLOSIVE(there is that word again) as Arthur Blank/Dimitroff/Smith want them to be.

[raysnill1]

But thats mostly on Ryan getting the ball out of his hand...Not saying our O-Line suck or taking anything from them... Our O-Line is good as a unit... Ryan also gets the ball out of his hand ...

I can see that Ryan is really good at getting the ball out BUT I've been watching last season's game and we have ran VERY few plays where we put the line in a position to win. a few quick slants, a screen pass, draw play, something to keep defenses honest. after watching the first half of the Ravens game I think Matt should just be able to run the offense the whole game because that was a thing of beauty, against a quality defense too. just add better routes to the passing game and spread out of the offense on a few run plays and I think we can become explosive easily.

[Finally]

Redman To Ryan: "They are getting tired from hitting you so much."

He may get the ball out quick but he takes a lot of hits doing it.

[vel]

This just further proves my point that is often ignored by our OLine/Jenkins detractors: We face 8 in the box more times than probably any other team allowing us to be blitzed more often because it is easier to cover the short throws that are normally open from a blitz if an extra safety is already down. Our OL was able to protect Matt and keep him as clean as they could while facing 5 or more rushers more than 30 other teams in the league.

The reason I put Jenkins in there was because look at Peyton Manning. Hardly ever blitzed because the defense can get burned by the WRs. That OL is no better than ours (besides Saturday) but they look great and give Manning time because they only see 4 guys all game. If you know you only have the same four guys to block, your job gets easy. If Jenkins was more of a threat, teams would think twice about putting 8 in the box with fear of Roddy AND Jenkins beating them over top of the blitz. But he can't so teams put 8 in the box and roll the safety to White making the passing game harder on Ryan. This is what kept a lid on our offense.

Tandy always brought up the amount of time Ryan had to throw but not the amount of times he was blitzed. This graphic shows why Ryan averaged 2.3 seconds of protection.

[birdz4i]

it is a combo of both. the line is decent and when ryan sees pressure coming he does his best to get rid of the ball.

Edited June 29, 2011 by birdz4i

[raysnill1]

This just further proves my point that is often ignored by our OLine/Jenkins detractors: We face 8 in the box more times than probably any other team allowing us to be blitzed more often because it is easier to cover the short throws that are normally open from a blitz if an extra safety is already down. Our OL was able to protect Matt and keep him as clean as they could while facing 5 or more rushers more than 30 other teams in the league.

The reason I put Jenkins in there was because look at Peyton Manning. Hardly ever blitzed because the defense can get burned by the WRs. That OL is no better than ours (besides Saturday) but they look great and give Manning time because they only see 4 guys all game. If you know you only have the same four guys to block, your job gets easy. If Jenkins was more of a threat, teams would think twice about putting 8 in the box with fear of Roddy AND Jenkins beating them over top of the blitz. But he can't so teams put 8 in the box and roll the safety to White making the passing game harder on Ryan. This is what kept a lid on our offense.

Tandy always brought up the amount of time Ryan had to throw but not the amount of times he was blitzed. This graphic shows why Ryan averaged 2.3 seconds of protection.

and add on top of that how many guys they face in the box on run plays, these guys are WAY better than people want to give them credit for.

[HatedInRayJay1]

lol at the top right of the picture...

[Theyhateme : )]

This just further proves my point that is often ignored by our OLine/Jenkins detractors: We face 8 in the box more times than probably any other team allowing us to be blitzed more often because it is easier to cover the short throws that are normally open from a blitz if an extra safety is already down. Our OL was able to protect Matt and keep him as clean as they could while facing 5 or more rushers more than 30 other teams in the league.

The reason I put Jenkins in there was because look at Peyton Manning. Hardly ever blitzed because the defense can get burned by the WRs. That OL is no better than ours (besides Saturday) but they look great and give Manning time because they only see 4 guys all game. If you know you only have the same four guys to block, your job gets easy. If Jenkins was more of a threat, teams would think twice about putting 8 in the box with fear of Roddy AND Jenkins beating them over top of the blitz. But he can't so teams put 8 in the box and roll the safety to White making the passing game harder on Ryan. This is what kept a lid on our offense.

Tandy always brought up the amount of time Ryan had to throw but not the amount of times he was blitzed. This graphic shows why Ryan averaged 2.3 seconds of protection.

The Great Cunundrum

[Dem Birds]

Mostly Ryan, but our line is above average. I'm one of the people that has fell on the side of wanting Dahl resigned more, even though he may not be the most talented of the 3 potential free agents, he gives our line their personality and that's really important.

[ltstorm2]

this goes two ways:

Matt Ryan is either REALLY good at avoiding the rush, getting the ball out; or the line ain't as bad as yall think. mind you, there were only 2 games left after the Hawks game so it pretty much goes for the whole season. you don't give up the fewest amount of sacks being the second MOST blitzed team in the league if your line sucks.

Our boys are average at run and pass blocking, great at neither. They are way above average in tenacity and motor and they'll always play to the end of the whistle. The sacks is a product more of Ryan getting the ball out quickly.

The oline isn't bad. They're just not great either.

[Dem Birds]

I do believe that that number is based on sacks given up on blitzes, because that was the 3rd to last game of the year and Ryan was sacked 23 times last season, I know we didn't give up 18 sacks in 2 games. So to me that shows how well Ryan beats the blitz and how well McClure is able to adjust the line calls to protect better. Which is still really impressive.

[ltstorm2]

I do believe that that number is based on sacks given up on blitzes, because that was the 3rd to last game of the year and Ryan was sacked 23 times last season, I know we didn't give up 18 sacks in 2 games. So to me that shows how well Ryan beats the blitz and how well McClure is able to adjust the line calls to protect better. Which is still really impressive.

That's the one thing that's worries me about McClure and his situation. Physically he's losing it, but he is very intelligent and savvy at his position. When he retires how much of a drop off will there be if any?

[raysnill1]

Mostly Ryan, but our line is above average. I'm one of the people that has fell on the side of wanting Dahl resigned more, even though he may not be the most talented of the 3 potential free agents, he gives our line their personality and that's really important.

trust me, you want Dahl to walk. from re-watching the games, he's just simply not that good.

I do believe that that number is based on sacks given up on blitzes, because that was the 3rd to last game of the year and Ryan was sacked 23 times last season, I know we didn't give up 18 sacks in 2 games. So to me that shows how well Ryan beats the blitz and how well McClure is able to adjust the line calls to protect better. Which is still really impressive.

that's exactly what the graphic says and McClure is great at what he does but from what I've been reading Hawley is just as intelligent, he just needs the experience

[kevykev21]

lol at the top right of the picture...

[ltstorm2]

Speaking of this and olines, McClure Dahl and Blalock better get a good nights rest before having to face Suh. For real.

[Aria7]

this goes two ways:

Matt Ryan is either REALLY good at avoiding the rush, getting the ball out; or the line ain't as bad as yall think. mind you, there were only 2 games left after the Hawks game so it pretty much goes for the whole season. you don't give up the fewest amount of sacks being the second MOST blitzed team in the league if your line sucks.

Ryan has a quick release. It is not the line. Ryan gets rid of the ball quickly.

[kschreck]

this goes two ways:

Matt Ryan is either REALLY good at avoiding the rush, getting the ball out; or the line ain't as bad as yall think. mind you, there were only 2 games left after the Hawks game so it pretty much goes for the whole season. you don't give up the fewest amount of sacks being the second MOST blitzed team in the league if your line sucks.

And we had on eof the top rushers in the league.....that doesn't happen either, if your line is bad.

[raysnill1]

And we had one of the top rushers in the league.....that doesn't happen either, if your line is bad.

amen brother

[JOEinPHX]

Permit me to voice a dissenting opinion. The line is bad. Not epic bad, not terribly bad, but a long way from good. Baker belongs at left guard. A genuine LT should be in his spot. Blalock may be the most balanced player on the line but he isn't getting any Pro Bowl invites. You may like Dahl because he's nasty but he's regularly overmatched. Clabo is excellent in protection but a sub-par run blocker. As for McClure, I just can't get over his mis-snaps from last season and the frequent rag-dolling he gets against 3-4 NTs.

You want an unstoppable offense, get out of max-protect more often. The double-tight/FB sets we see with such regularity are there for a reason. You CAN have a productive back despite average-at-best line play if he's a tackle breaker like Turner. If you don't believe that, roll tape and see how often he gets hit at or behind the LOS.

In the end, though, the difference maker is Ryan. He's a freakin' wizard given the lack of pocket and time he has to work with. And while you're at it, give some credit to Mularkey. He knows exactly what he's getting out of the line.

Edited June 29, 2011 by JOEinPHX

[Radical]

Matt Ryan is amongst the best in the NFL when it comes to dealing with pressure. In that category, he IS elite. Sam Baker is a very weak link on our offensive line, and Todd McClure ain't what he used to be.

[Twoism]

So, it cannot be a bit of both?

[falken]

Matt Ryan is amongst the best in the NFL when it comes to dealing with pressure. In that category, he IS elite. Sam Baker is a very weak link on our offensive line, and Todd McClure ain't what he used to be.

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