Jenkins Catch and Why It Wasn't a TD....

[Theyhateme : )]

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010110706/2010/REG9/

He's burned all three DBs, yet the ball is thrown to the sideline which takes him out of bounds. Not coming down on Ryan but this should've been a TD had Ryan threw it to the sidelines. I've heard guys saying that Jenkins can't take the heat off of Roddy and Gonzo, yet Jenkins has 3 DBs beat.

[Shotty Ice]

I will never understand the hate for Michael Jenkins. The guy has continuously, season after season, made ridiculously clutch catches and has been a tremendous downfield blocker. He keeps his mouth shut and plays the game of football the way it's supposed to be played, and all he does is get **** for it from stupid *** fans.

[TdotFalcon]

It was a nice play, but aren't we nitpicking a little here? He threw the safe ball. Whether to Jenkins, Roddy, Gonzo, anybody...I would rather the safe first down then a forced ball with a safety over the top.

Could this have been a TD? Yes...and so could countless other plays.

[Theyhateme : )]

It was a nice play, but aren't we nitpicking a little here? He threw the safe ball. Whether to Jenkins, Roddy, Gonzo, anybody...I would rather the safe first down then a forced ball with a safety over the top.

Could this have been a TD? Yes...and so could countless other plays.

No...I'm not nit-picking...I was just explaining that Jenkins can get open, he can take away the double-team by betting DB and had the ball been down the field, it would've been 6...that's all.

[Dem Birds]

No...I'm not nit-picking...I was just explaining that Jenkins can get open, he can take away the double-team by betting DB and had the ball been down the field, it would've been 6...that's all.

I like Jenkins, and believe he is a solid football player, but being able to beat a DB and being able to beat a DB consistently are 2 different things.

[Theyhateme : )]

No...I'm not nit-picking...I was just explaining that Jenkins can get open, he can take away the double-team by betting DB and had the ball been down the field, it would've been 6...that's all.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010111100/2010/REG10/ravens@falcons#tab:watch

Ryan to Jenkins....Bread and Butter play @5:08

[Ohio Dirty Bird]

I like Jenkins hes a good WR but hes not a great one.

[atljbo]

Jenkins cant consistently separate / get open ... Jenkins is not a bum by no means but he is a average #2... He is a 6'4 WR but you cant really throw him jump balls because he doesnt play like a 6'4 WR.

If Ryan throw that ball on the many (on a double move vs Barber) .. would it have been a TD .... Yes.. But im ok with him throwing a safer ball to get the completion.

Like i said.. Jenkins is not a bad WR... I have looked at games multiple times.. Teams would role a safety over Roddy and bracket Tony G.... Jenkins received pure one on one coverage... He wasnt able to get open enough or make teams pay enough that they would stop rolling a Safety over Roddy.

In comes Julio Jones... (in college) A guy who plays big... A guy who goes up and make plays on Jump Balls... A guy who can get separation... He should make Defenses play us more honest.

Hines Ward (who is a good guy) was on the NFL Network did his top 10 WR's... When he got to Roddy... Dude said "Thats the only receiving threat that team have" (something like that)

Jenkins is not a bad WR.. He is just not "that guy"

[Theyhateme : )]

Jenkins cant consistently separate / get open ... Jenkins is not a bum by no means but he is a average #2... He is a 6'4 WR but you cant really throw him jump balls because he doesnt play like a 6'4 WR.

If Ryan throw that ball on the many (on a double move vs Barber) .. would it have been a TD .... Yes.. But im ok with him throwing a safer ball to get the completion.

Like i said.. Jenkins is not a bad WR... I have looked at games multiple times.. Teams would role a safety over Roddy and bracket Tony G.... Jenkins received pure one on one coverage... He wasnt able to get open enough or make teams pay enough that they would stop rolling a Safety over Roddy.

In comes Julio Jones... (in college) A guy who plays big... A guy who goes up and make plays on Jump Balls... A guy who can get separation... He should make Defenses play us more honest.

Hines Ward (who is a good guy) was on the NFL Network did his top 10 WR's... When he got to Roddy... Dude said "Thats the only receiving threat that team have" (something like that)

Jenkins is not a bad WR.. He is just not "that guy"

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81cab362/Jenkins-TD

Seperation right here...and in the red zone...but the key is Ryan putting the ball where only Jenkins could get it...However,Ryan didn't have to jump to throw this ball...it almost got picked.

[vel]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81cab362/Jenkins-TD

Seperation right here...and in the red zone...but the key is Ryan putting the ball where only Jenkins could get it...However,Ryan didn't have to jump to throw this ball...it almost got picked.

You don't get it. He spoke on consistency. That's is Jenkins problem. Nobody said he can't get open, the problem is "if he gets open". You always bring up one or two plays that prove otherwise but that just shows the exception to the rule. Even that 6 min highlight video isn't truly 6 minutes because some of them are replays. Over the course of 3 years with Ryan, Jenkins is average under 2 minutes of highlight material a year. Further proof he doesn't consistently get open.

[atljbo]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81cab362/Jenkins-TD

Seperation right here...and in the red zone...but the key is Ryan putting the ball where only Jenkins could get it...However,Ryan didn't have to jump to throw this ball...it almost got picked.

Let me start this off with.. There was no separation...The CB was on his hip... That was Ryan putting the ball in the perfect spot... Thats not a knock on Jenkins... He scored a TD... Thats not a clip showing him getting separation tho... The DB was on his hip

But Regardless... I'm not talking about 5 plays... I'm not talking about 10 plays... I'm talking about consistently over 16+ games during the season and the playoffs... Fitz doesn't get a lot of separation most of the time but dude has the best hands in the game and he goes up and get the ball in the air like no other.

ill say it again.. Jenkins is not a bad WR... He just wasnt giving us what we need... We needed a guy thats going to make Defense pay for playing our #2 WR 1 on 1 (that would have helped Roddy also)... He wasnt able to do that

[falconidae]

No...I'm not nit-picking...I was just explaining that Jenkins can get open, he can take away the double-team by betting DB and had the ball been down the field, it would've been 6...that's all.

When the FO trades the tops of two drafts to draft a replacement for the player you're defending, it means they don't agree with you.

That's one play, you going to try and tell me that the reason he has 10 TDs in his last 4 years [55 games] is because Ryan never makes a good enough throw?

Jenkins does some thing well, and he's solid player, but he's scored a TD every 5-6 games the last four years. Falcons need more than that out of the number two wideout.

[Mr. Right]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81cab362/Jenkins-TD

Seperation right here...and in the red zone...but the key is Ryan putting the ball where only Jenkins could get it...However,Ryan didn't have to jump to throw this ball...it almost got picked.

I like how people are defending Jenkins by showing that he, a starting WR, can catch a TD. I think most WRs in the league can catch TDs, and not only that but catch more than 3 TDs a year. Compare Jenkins to any other number 2 WR and you'll see that he is far below average in production.

[Theyhateme : )]

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010121910/2010/REG15/falcons@seahawks#tab:watch

I'm wondering if this is how the ball should've been thrown during the pick in the endzone during the GB playoff game. @:54 of the replay.

[Theyhateme : )]

I like how people are defending Jenkins by showing that he, a starting WR, can catch a TD. I think most WRs in the league can catch TDs, and not only that but catch more than 3 TDs a year. Compare Jenkins to any other number 2 WR and you'll see that he is far below average in production.

No...it's not about the TD...the first clip isn't even a TD...look at the title. That's BS...Jenkins missed games this year and he still has the same yardage as some other #2's and he meant more to the Falcons than those other #2s on their teams...

[Theyhateme : )]

When the FO trades the tops of two drafts to draft a replacement for the player you're defending, it means they don't agree with you.

That's one play, you going to try and tell me that the reason he has 10 TDs in his last 4 years [55 games] is because Ryan never makes a good enough throw?

Jenkins does some thing well, and he's solid player, but he's scored a TD every 5-6 games the last four years. Falcons need more than that out of the number two wideout.

When Ryan hits Jenkins good things happen...The only game Ryan dinked and dunked to Jenkins was the last Saints Game....which was what I was about to look up before I stopped to reply to you.

[Mr. Right]

Jenkins ought to be placed on the practice squad so we can use him as a 'dummy' in preparation for Marques Colston. Grimes needs to practice matching up against tall WRs.

[Theyhateme : )]

Jenkins ought to be placed on the practice squad so we can use him as a 'dummy' in preparation for Marques Colston. Grimes needs to practice matching up against tall WRs.

Dude...be quiet...LOL...This whole drive was Ryan, Jenkins and Turner...if they wanted to get the ball to Jenkins...they can.

3-5-ATL 25 (14:13) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 12-M.Jenkins to ATL 30 for 5 yards (33-J.Greer).

1-10-ATL 30 (13:38) 2-M.Ryan pass short left to 12-M.Jenkins to ATL 29 for -1 yards (22-T.Porter).

2-11-ATL 29 (13:00) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass short middle to 12-M.Jenkins to ATL 45 for 16 yards (22-T.Porter). Penalty on NO-91-W.Smith, Defensive Offside, declined.

1-10-ATL 45 (12:27) (Shotgun) 33-M.Turner left tackle to ATL 49 for 4 yards (51-J.Vilma).

2-6-ATL 49 (11:51) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete short left to 12-M.Jenkins. PENALTY on NO-22-T.Porter, Defensive Pass Interference, 15 yards, enforced at ATL 49 - No Play.

1-10-NO 36 (11:47) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete deep left to 12-M.Jenkins. PENALTY on NO-22-T.Porter, Defensive Pass Interference, 35 yards, enforced at NO 36 - No Play.

1-1-NO 1 (11:39) 33-M.Turner right guard to NO 1 for no gain (92-R.Ayodele; 41-R.Harper).

2-1-NO 1 (11:05) 33-M.Turner up the middle to NO 1 for no gain (97-J.Charleston, 50-M.Mitchell). FUMBLES (97-J.Charleston), RECOVERED by NO-50-M.Mitchell at NO 2.

I specifically remember Jenkins gutting it out and getting open and all the DB could do was yank on him from behind or grab him and pull him down in the endzone...LOLOL...Is that 4 1st downs on one drive?? I tend to judge a WR by drops and can he pick up a first down?....can he make a clutch catch? I could careless about 2 TDs or 12 TDs at the end of the day, how significant of a contribution did my WR make during the game.

[atljbo]

I'm still shocked that Jenkins hasn't had a 100 yard receiving game

[Soren]

I agree with you that Jenkins is somewhat underrated on these boards. But you can't possibly tell me you would start him at #2 and hurt Julio's development. I am sure JJ will start day 1. When you look at our other WRs, Jenkins is by far superior to all of them, so surely we will keep him. The staff has been happy with Jenkins for a long time, and I still think they are, but Julio is a rare talent.

[JOEinPHX]

In comes Julio Jones... (in college) A guy who plays big... A guy who goes up and make plays on Jump Balls... A guy who can get separation... He should make Defenses play us more honest.

This seems to be the crux of the 'Julio will be an improvement over Jenkins' argument. All I can say is that Jones hasn't yet shown what he can do against NFL backs, so the only real basis for comparison is college performance.

Jenkins and Jones had remarkably similar college careers. Both played at major D1 programs. Both played on a team that featured the run (Clarett/Ross at OSU and Ingram/Richardson at Alabama). Both had average-at-best-QBs (Krenzel at OSU and McElroy at Alabama). Both were #1 receivers on teams that didn't feature a lot of other receiving talent. And here are their 3-years stats:

Jones 179 catches / 2653 yards / 14.8 YPC / 15 TDs

Jenkins 157 catches / 2746 yards / 17.5 YPC / 16 TDs

So what have we seen that says Jones has a bigger upside?

[falconidae]

Dude...be quiet...LOL...This whole drive was Ryan, Jenkins and Turner...if they wanted to get the ball to Jenkins...they can.

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2-6-ATL 49 (11:51) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete short left to 12-M.Jenkins. PENALTY on NO-22-T.Porter, Defensive Pass Interference, 15 yards, enforced at ATL 49 - No Play.

1-10-NO 36 (11:47) (Shotgun) 2-M.Ryan pass incomplete deep left to 12-M.Jenkins. PENALTY on NO-22-T.Porter, Defensive Pass Interference, 35 yards, enforced at NO 36 - No Play.

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So, your highlights for Jenkins are PI calls? You've put me in the awkward position of having to agree with Mr. Right.

So, that was the first drive of the second half, why did Jenkins disappear after that? If he was so successful, why did they never go back to it? Because they put Sharper on Jenkins rather than Porter and he didn't do anything else for the half. And you omitted the offensive pass INT he got charged with earlier in the game.

Problem with defending Jenkins is you always have to pick out individual plays, you can never find a whole game to point at.

Here's the number two wide outs for some good passing teams:

It goes name, catches, yards, TDs, YAC # of hundred yard games Jenkins numbers are prorated for a 16 game season

Garcon 67/ 784/ 6/ 254 100 yard game/ multiple TD game

Jones 50/ 679/ 5/ 301 two 100 yard games

Ward 59/ 755 /5 / 251 four 100 yard games

Walter 51/ 621/5/ 134 100 yard game

Jenkins 60/ 734/ 3/ 117 no 100 yard game [that's optimistic numbers- considering he averages three 1 catch games a year and didn't have any this year, I think a full season might very well have produced his normal 50/600/2]

Catches and yards would have been fine, but TDs and YAC were sub par for your number 2 wideout- been that way most of his career, that's why they drafted Jones.

[Soren]

This seems to be the crux of the 'Julio will be an improvement over Jenkins' argument. All I can say is that Jones hasn't yet shown what he can do against NFL backs, so the only real basis for comparison is college performance.

Jenkins and Jones had remarkably similar college careers. Both played at major D1 programs. Both played on a team that featured the run (Clarett/Ross at OSU and Ingram/Richardson at Alabama). Both had average-at-best-QBs (Krenzel at OSU and McElroy at Alabama). Both were #1 receivers on teams that didn't feature a lot of other receiving talent. And here are their 3-years stats:

Jones 179 catches / 2653 yards / 14.8 YPC / 15 TDs

Jenkins 157 catches / 2746 yards / 17.5 YPC / 16 TDs

So what have we seen that says Jones has a bigger upside?

The thing is Jenkins has dissapointed if you set your excpectations from those numbers. I don't know but I would guess the average NFL production is better than Jenkins' if your starting point are those numbers and his potential coming out of college.

[atljbo]

This seems to be the crux of the 'Julio will be an improvement over Jenkins' argument. All I can say is that Jones hasn't yet shown what he can do against NFL backs, so the only real basis for comparison is college performance.

Jenkins and Jones had remarkably similar college careers. Both played at major D1 programs. Both played on a team that featured the run (Clarett/Ross at OSU and Ingram/Richardson at Alabama). Both had average-at-best-QBs (Krenzel at OSU and McElroy at Alabama). Both were #1 receivers on teams that didn't feature a lot of other receiving talent. And here are their 3-years stats:

Jones 179 catches / 2653 yards / 14.8 YPC / 15 TDs

Jenkins 157 catches / 2746 yards / 17.5 YPC / 16 TDs

So what have we seen that says Jones has a bigger upside?

Thats why i said in college.. you can only project what youve seen the guy do in college.. Also Julio went against the guy whom most felt was the best player in the draft.. CB Patrick Peterson... So i cant say what he's going to be.. i can project off what ive seen him do against NFL caliber CB's in college.

Also if youve seen Alabama play... They didnt fully use Julio Jones to his full capability... I cant blame them... They had 2 1st round RB's in their backfield.

The run game was their bread and butter

Also... If you've seen Julio Jones play... I feel like its crazy thats just crazy "So what have we seen that says Jones has a bigger upside? " .. If you say i dont know if Julio will be a better WR then Jenkins... I could understand that statment but we know Jenkins up side.. Dude has been here for 6+ years... With Julio playing style... His upside is top WR's in the NFL type upside... Do i know if we will see that... Naw.. We will see tho

[triggerman]

I will never understand the hate for Michael Jenkins. The guy has continuously, season after season, made ridiculously clutch catches and has been a tremendous downfield blocker. He keeps his mouth shut and plays the game of football the way it's supposed to be played, and all he does is get **** for it from stupid *** fans.

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