RHEC Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 (edited) ??? He had 11.5 sacks his first full year as the starter and you dont think he will make an impact????It's a fluke season until he proves it next season other wise. Good day. Edited June 20, 2011 by Skar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Sorry but I watch Falcons football, I don't watch ever nfl team snaps.Okay then. You don't know what you're talking about then. Glad we had this discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 I really don't think Aso would help us out that much IF WE DON'T CHANGE OUR DEFENSIVE SCHEME. I put those words in capital letters to get your attention. Aso is a man corner. We mostly run zone schemes. If we sign Aso we can't convert him to a zone corner. We have to play more man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 You guys can believe the hype for all I care, CJ is not the answer and like I said, I doubt the panthers will let him leave.I'm glad neither of us are.haha touche....i concur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abcranford2 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 It's a fluke season until he proves it next season other wise. Good day.but u do understand that people who evaluate don't look at it like that...they don't just blindly say oh this guy has only done it one year, which was his first year starting..plus he is really young, and say well its a flukethey actually watch the games and say wow, this guy does this right, and he does that right...he has a high motor and he just completely demolished that guy...he is going to be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 The more and more I read about Ray Edwards, the less I want us to sign him.Seems like Viking fans are glad hes going to leave, and we might get caught over-paying for him.I'd rather us sign Aso.Dunta, Grimes, and Aso? Would be the best CB core in the league.Edit: After reading the PFF article posted up, I might have changed my mind. 11th most productive DE over the last 3 years, and in the top 10 last year.Yeah he was helped by the Vikings line, but its not like our line is that bad.Dont go off of what fans think.There is a portion of the fan base here who would trade Ryan for a 2nd round pick.Edwards is not great but he has been far better then what we have had opposite of Abe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I got to agree with you, because I think he could impact our D more than any FA De out there .... his aquisition would lead to more sacks ........I disagree with that statement, as pass rusher will lead to more sacks and better pass defense. Asomugha will make the d a little better, but not as good. Our corners are good where they are, they need pass rushing help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 but u do understand that people who evaluate don't look at it like that...they don't just blindly say oh this guy has only done it one year, which was his first year starting..plus he is really young, and say well its a flukethey actually watch the games and say wow, this guy does this right, and he does that right...he has a high motor and he just completely demolished that guy...he is going to be goodone hit wonders also do things right, its just they dissappear after that one good year... ive seen a lot of oions on CJ, but its true, if you had ONE good year, that doesnt mean your a proven guy in the NFL.... for ex: if a guy wants a contract extension, your not going to pay him off one good year are u???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Stallions Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 one hit wonders also do things right, its just they dissappear after that one good year... ive seen a lot of oions on CJ, but its true, if you had ONE good year, that doesnt mean your a proven guy in the NFL.... for ex: if a guy wants a contract extension, your not going to pay him off one good year are u????Actually, alot of GM's do do that. Which is why you always hear "contract year" being thrown around when a guy is doing better then normal. I dont necessarily see that as a bad thing though, if a guy normally gets 4-5 sacks a year then on his contract year he gets 10-12 then you know what hes capable of. Thats when i would (if i were a gm) throw a bunch of incentives into the guys contract, ie: if you accumulate 24+ sacks in 3 seasons you get this much bonus, etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterback Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 I really don't think Aso would help us out that much IF WE DON'T CHANGE OUR DEFENSIVE SCHEME. I put those words in capital letters to get your attention. Aso is a man corner. We mostly run zone schemes. If we sign Aso we can't convert him to a zone corner. We have to play more manAgreed, and mostly this is because we cannot sufficiently pressure the QB so the DB's play back as you can only cover so long. Further, this approach allows for long, time consuming drives to limit our opponent's possessions while hoping for a stalled drive or field goal attempt. This, coupled with a dink and dunk, time consuming offensive system is why we were #5 in points allowed which disguised an overall below average defense. Our offensive and defensive philosophies were both designed to protect a vulnerable defense.Yuck!Getting Aso, finding or developing another pass rush specialist DE and/or LB, and getting more push in the middle from our interior DT's, all combined to put greater pressure on a QB would allow us the option to play either zone or man to man. And there are times in a game where your defense just has to stop the offense rather than patiently waiting for the offense to stop itself.J. Jones is going to be a big help at opening up our offense; we need the same or ever greater impact for our defense as what Green Bay did to our defense cannot go unattended if we are to advance in the playoffs against the better offensive and defensive players and coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Actually, alot of GM's do do that. Which is why you always hear "contract year" being thrown around when a guy is doing better then normal. I dont necessarily see that as a bad thing though, if a guy normally gets 4-5 sacks a year then on his contract year he gets 10-12 then you know what hes capable of. Thats when i would (if i were a gm) throw a bunch of incentives into the guys contract, ie: if you accumulate 24+ sacks in 3 seasons you get this much bonus, etc..Jason Babin is the definition of a one hit wonder. Charles Johnson has not only improved since he came into the league, but his production has only gone up with the more time he's been on the field. If it wasn't for the fact the Panthers dropped a mid-2nd round pick on Everette Brown, he would have broken out in 2009 instead of being held back so the big investment could get more time on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Actually, alot of GM's do do that. Which is why you always hear "contract year" being thrown around when a guy is doing better then normal. I dont necessarily see that as a bad thing though, if a guy normally gets 4-5 sacks a year then on his contract year he gets 10-12 then you know what hes capable of. Thats when i would (if i were a gm) throw a bunch of incentives into the guys contract, ie: if you accumulate 24+ sacks in 3 seasons you get this much bonus, etc..GMs would rather see a guy be productive on a consistent basis through out his contract... the term '' contract year'' is just to say its your final year... there have been very good players that still left their teaams after having a good year. if u average 5-7 sacks a year, then get 10 1/2 sacks your final year when u know it could be pay day for you... wouldnt you question why he couldnt do this before? the question then is he doing this for the money? thats wat the same question was about peppers, albert hanesworth etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Stallions Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 GMs would rather see a guy be productive on a consistent basis through out his contract... the term '' contract year'' is just to say its your final year... there have been very good players that still left their teaams after having a good year. if u average 5-7 sacks a year, then get 10 1/2 sacks your final year when u know it could be pay day for you... wouldnt you question why he couldnt do this before? the question then is he doing this for the money? thats wat the same question was about peppers, albert hanesworth etc...Usually when they (experts) talk about someone having a "contract year" its because they are putting up big numbers so they can get a pay day. Yeah GM's would rather see a guy be consistent but if they can see production in a guy that large they know its there, they have to coach it out of them. Sometimes guys leave because they arent working well with the team and they have a monster year by playing the game "their" way so that when the off-season comes other teams see what they bring to the table. Also this game has become more about the $$$ then anything else, so when a guy puts up a monster year in his final year of a contract, he is going to have way more teams throwing money at him which equals a bigger pay day for him.And I dont think Peppers fits in that group at all, hes always produced... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Usually when they (experts) talk about someone having a "contract year" its because they are putting up big numbers so they can get a pay day. Yeah GM's would rather see a guy be consistent but if they can see production in a guy that large they know its there, they have to coach it out of them. Sometimes guys leave because they arent working well with the team and they have a monster year by playing the game "their" way so that when the off-season comes other teams see what they bring to the table. Also this game has become more about the $$$ then anything else, so when a guy puts up a monster year in his final year of a contract, he is going to have way more teams throwing money at him which equals a bigger pay day for him.And I dont think Peppers fits in that group at all, hes always produced...its not all about the money, some big name players take less to get on a better team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted June 21, 2011 Author Share Posted June 21, 2011 no it wouldnt, ur looking at it one sided... the reason we got 48 points put up on us was because we had missed 4-5 sacks on rodgers that would have punted the ball back to us, even with our POOR LBs coverage down field.... the CBs wasnt becoming a problem till williams went down... before that it was the d-line and LBs not getting the job done...Could of would of should of ...you are trying to tell me that the presence of a lockdown corner does not translate into more sacks and more time for our pass rush to get to the QB, when the QB is looking downfield at a giant red blanket ? BS, if we had Aso last year, we beat the Taints twice, and prolly won vs GB as well ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHEC Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 There are no available DE's this year that is worthy of a big contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4dabirds Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Are you crazy? Baltimore drafted a CB in the 1st, and def don't have the money after they tagged Ngata. Philly wont have the money if they want to keep Vick who will probably want upwards of 15M a year.Dallas, maybe im not so sure of there cap situation, and houston has the best shot.I agree for the most part about every team except Philly. Philly has had loads of cap space for years now, and they will not overpay for Vick. Vick may get a new deal, but he's going to have to have another good year before that happens, and 15 mil will still be too much IMO. They are the front runners for Aso, simply because they could pay him what he wants and then some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 its not all about the money, some big name players take less to get on a better team...Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RHEC Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Players only care about money, sometimes more then winning or players wouldn't continue to sign with Redskins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon UK Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 The way I see it so far with regards to DE/CB:CJ - Ideal pick up, unlikely even with a new CBA that Panthers let him walkRay Edwards - Seems like he could be a risky pick up. Vikings fans seem happy to let him walk and he's been playing opposite Jared Allen which is going to make your life easier, not to mention the Williams'Nnamdi - Superstar talent, at least as good as if not better than Revis. Put him with DRob and Grimes and its scary. Yes its a lot to tie up in one position (assuming he isn't willing to take a paycut to come to a team widely believed to be a key pickup or two from winning it all) but think about it like this:Coverage sacks - The quality of our secondary on paper should be more than enough to give the pass rushers an extra second to get to the qb. It might not sound like a lot but bear in mind how many pressures Biermann had and how many times given an extra second he could've turned those pressures into sacks.Assuming CJ is available he'd be the #1 but if he isn't I just see Nnamdi bringing more to the team than Ray... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 (edited) Could of would of should of ...you are trying to tell me that the presence of a lockdown corner does not translate into more sacks and more time for our pass rush to get to the QB, when the QB is looking downfield at a giant red blanket ? BS, if we had Aso last year, we beat the Taints twice, and prolly won vs GB as well .......he`s just one guy, its not like he is going to shut the whole field down, or play more hen one person, so to answer your question, no i do not. ive said this before, even if we had revis and aso, heck even grimes, our secondary would still be in trouble, cause its not the CBs that's the biggest problem. Its the LBs and there inability to play in space... yea our CBs gave up some plays but who doesn't, but our LBs consistently gave up plays if the d-line didn't bail them out... its been so obvious for three years now, when are our LBs going to be able to cover, and when are we going to have a consistent pass rush? i dnt care wat CBs you have if you dnt shore up thoes problems, the defense works as one, if one area struggles the defense struggles.. we need help at DE,LB, we have two guys and probably a FA comming in for the NB spot, CB isnt our biggest need, so no reason to go after the biggest name, makes no sense Edited June 21, 2011 by madman88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Would Aso be nice... yes... Would i go after him ... No.. If we didnt have Robinson yea but haveing 3 good size contract CB's is crazy... Especially with the Cap space looking like its going down some.Also im looking at our CB's... Grimes is the perfect example... A pass rusher would be his biggest help to our secondary... We know Grimes has made some unbelievable airborne ints but Grimes works best when the action is in front of him (jump routes) ... If you look at when Grimes is beat... Its when QB's have time to throw it deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted June 21, 2011 Author Share Posted June 21, 2011 Would Aso be nice... yes... Would i go after him ... No.. If we didnt have Robinson yea but haveing 3 good size contract CB's is crazy... Especially with the Cap space looking like its going down some.Also im looking at our CB's... Grimes is the perfect example... A pass rusher would be his biggest help to our secondary... We know Grimes has made some unbelievable airborne ints but Grimes works best when the action is in front of him (jump routes) ... If you look at when Grimes is beat... Its when QB's have time to throw it deep.I got nothing but respect for you as a poster here and your knowledge of the game, but this is the thing .....Aso would put our defense over the top NOW, Edwards will not ...Aso, much greater than any FA DE ... I'm not even convinced Edwards is any better than Beerman, but he would be sweet to have in the rotation ....Johnson aint going anywhere, so why not play for Aso ?... there are zero question marks on the impact Aso would bring, yea, 3 high priced corners, but sometimes you go against the grain for results, IMO this move , with our expected high power offense is a Lombardi trick ........I been a fan 40 mfkng years, and I'm tired of waiting ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 Who?our very own dunta took a pay cut, babs took a pay cut , he could of got a lot more then he did. heck i remember when brady gave up some of his money to keep certain players... its not ALWAYS about the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted June 21, 2011 Share Posted June 21, 2011 our very own dunta took a pay cut, babs took a pay cut , he could of got a lot more then he did. heck i remember when brady gave up some of his money to keep certain players... its not ALWAYS about the moneyYou are out of your mind. That is funny though. You are talking about the guy who said, "This is why we play the game......to get paid." and wrote "Pay Me Rick" on his shoes when he was only making 10 mil a year as a franchise player.Babs didn't take a pay cut and he wasn't a FA either. Neither was Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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