which teams are cutting jobs and pay during lockout?

[pencilpusher. just because]

The list

Dallas Cowboys: No plans for any pay cuts or layoffs.

Atlanta Falcons: Cutting the pay of some office staff.

tsk tsk tsk at ol billionaire Blank crapping on the little man in his org. And I heard this guy was a ####### angel. shame on you Mr Blank.

[Supes™]

Already been discussed in TATF. The AJC described it as "minor and temporary pay cuts" for some office staffers. Nobody knows if this was at the direction of Mr. Blank or one of his subordinates, and nobody knows if Arthur has given himself a cut as well. As it is, no one has lost their job.

Other franchises that have issued no pay cuts have every legal right to change their minds if the lockout drags on thru the summer and into the fall. I'll step out on a limb and say that if a settlement isn't reached by November, lotsa folks around the league are gonna get hurt, and it's gonna be more than "minor temporary pay cuts".

[Dago]

Already been discussed in TATF. The AJC described it as "minor and temporary pay cuts" for some office staffers. Nobody knows if this was at the direction of Mr. Blank or one of his subordinates, and nobody knows if Arthur has given himself a cut as well. As it is, no one has lost their job.

Other franchises that have issued no pay cuts have every legal right to change their minds if the lockout drags on thru the summer and into the fall. I'll step out on a limb and say that if a settlement isn't reached by November, lotsa folks around the league are gonna get hurt, and it's gonna be more than "minor temporary cuts".

if they are "minor and temporary" then why do them at all?

minor pay cuts are a drop in the bucket to a billionaire

[Supes™]

if they are "minor and temporary" then why do them at all?

minor pay cuts are a drop in the bucket to a billionaire

It's called "corporate America". I think it stinks too, but this kind of ish goes on all the time with other companies.

[Dago]

It's called "corporate America". I think it stinks too, but this kind of ish goes on all the time with other companies.

if that were the case then more teams would be doing it so I don't buy it

yes, if this drags out then it would become necessary but Blank has more cash reserves than most owners and I am pretty sure he doesn't have a massive stadium note to pay so his expenses aren't as great as some

any cuts by any team at this time are completely premature as there has been no loss yet.

and there isn't anybody in here who can accuse me of hating because I was previously complimentary of Blank

[Supes™]

if that were the case then more teams would be doing it so I don't buy it

yes, if this drags out then it would become necessary but Blank has more cash reserves than most owners and I am pretty sure he doesn't have a massive stadium note to pay so his expenses aren't as great as some

any cuts by any team at this time are completely premature as there has been no loss yet.

and there isn't anybody in here who can accuse me of hating because I was previously complimentary of Blank

Suit yourself, but if this "news" was about Coca-Cola, General Motors, AT&T, etc., nobody would notice or give a rat's azz except those employees directly affected by the cuts and their families.

Right or wrong, at least those affected haven't lost their jobs and don't have to join the estimated 26 million Americans that are presently out of work.

[SaintRay]

Suit yourself, but if this "news" was about Coca-Cola, General Motors, AT&T, etc., nobody would notice or give a rat's azz except those employees directly affected by the cuts and their families.

Or probably news only to those who post on the Coca-Cola, General Motors, At&T, etc. forums, kinda like those of us who post on the Atlanta falcon Rival forums. See, at the end of the day, some people do notice and give a rat's azz. And like Dago mentioned, if it's minor or insignificant, why do it at all?

But we do agree if the strike lingers deep into the year, more teams will do the same.

Edited June 8, 2011 by SaintRay

[Supes™]

Or probably news only to those who post on the Coca-Cola, General Motors, At&T, etc. forums, kinda like those of us who post on the Atlanta falcon Rival forums. See, at the end of the day, some people do notice and give a rat's azz. And like Dago mentioned, if it's minor or insignificant, why do it at all?

But we do agree if the strike lingers deep into the year, more teams will do the same.

Fair enough. If you're truly upset that some Falcon's office staffers are taking a small and temporary pay cut (and not really knowing the specifics behind it), and if you really DO give a rat's azz, then write Mr. Blank and protest! Myself, I'm more concerned about my own azz in these tough economic times.

[pencilpusher. just because]

Already been discussed in TATF. The AJC described it as "minor and temporary pay cuts" for some office staffers. Nobody knows if this was at the direction of Mr. Blank or one of his subordinates, and nobody knows if Arthur has given himself a cut as well. As it is, no one has lost their job.

Other franchises that have issued no pay cuts have every legal right to change their minds if the lockout drags on thru the summer and into the fall. I'll step out on a limb and say that if a settlement isn't reached by November, lotsa folks around the league are gonna get hurt, and it's gonna be more than "minor temporary pay cuts".

Nothing is " minor" to the people losing their jobs. Believe that. And as Dago asked, if they are so minor, why bother. Shame on billionaire Blank. SHAME.

[pencilpusher. just because]

Suit yourself, but if this "news" was about Coca-Cola, General Motors, AT&T, etc., nobody would notice or give a rat's azz except those employees directly affected by the cuts and their families.

Right or wrong, at least those affected haven't lost their jobs and don't have to join the estimated 26 million Americans that are presently out of work.

If this were the RC portion of a Coca Cola board, you may have a point. You guys build Blank up as an Angel, but this says different.He appears to be an Ahole.

[pencilpusher. just because]

Fair enough. If you're truly upset that some Falcon's office staffers are taking a small and temporary pay cut (and not really knowing the specifics behind it), and if you really DO give a rat's azz, then write Mr. Blank and protest! Myself, I'm more concerned about my own azz in these tough economic times.

should not be long at all till hre starts cutting some artists!

[Guest jb aka johnnybuc]

should not be long at all till hre starts cutting some artists!

Super doesn't get paid, I don't think. Maybe with Free tickets or something like that.

[Dago]

Suit yourself, but if this "news" was about Coca-Cola, General Motors, AT&T, etc., nobody would notice or give a rat's azz except those employees directly affected by the cuts and their families.

Right or wrong, at least those affected haven't lost their jobs and don't have to join the estimated 26 million Americans that are presently out of work.

except those companies that you mentioned have not chosen to lock out union workers and then cut salaries of staff

that is a perfect example of a strawman argument. if you disagree with the Falcons, then you are siding with rivals against your team even if it means showing some empathy, principles, and objectivity. if you side with Blank, you look like a complete dbag

so instead of taking a stand on the issue either way, you put it off by assuming that if other companies did it, it would not be news

[falconidae]

If this were the RC portion of a Coca Cola board, you may have a point. You guys build Blank up as an Angel, but this says different.He appears to be an Ahole.

So, where did you read that Blank even knew about the cuts, much less approved them?

[Dago]

So, where did you read that Blank even knew about the cuts, much less approved them?

as owner of the business he is responsible for actions of his employees

if one of my employees offends a customer it is no different than me doing it

[falconidae]

as owner of the business he is responsible for actions of his employees

if one of my employees offends a customer it is no different than me doing it

In an abstract sense, yes, practically no, When Blank owned home depot, if a clerk was rude to a customer at a home depot store, his manger would fire him and Blank would never know about it.

Would Blank be responsible? Yes, would he ever know about it no.

Being the owner doesn't mean you know every single decision that happens in the company, esp. in a large corp like the falcons.

[Dago]

In an abstract sense, yes, practically no, When Blank owned home depot, if a clerk was rude to a customer at a home depot store, his manger would fire him and Blank would never know about it.

Would Blank be responsible? Yes, would he ever know about it no.

Being the owner doesn't mean you know every single decision that happens in the company, esp. in a large corp like the falcons.

when people are cut because of budgetary concerns, it comes from up top

also, if Blank didn't know about it when it occurred, he knew about it soon after.

keep defending him all you want, but a good owner would be aware of potential PR issues during the current situation and look to make sure they were avoided if he was looking to

[falconidae]

when people are cut because of budgetary concerns, it comes from up top

also, if Blank didn't know about it when it occurred, he knew about it soon after.

keep defending him all you want, but a good owner would be aware of potential PR issues during the current situation and look to make sure they were avoided if he was looking to

Check the original story, nobody has lost a job. Nobody knows what the cuts were or who did it.

Blank doesn't script plays for practices or set hours for office staff, or any of the other myriad other details of day to day operation.

Feel free to worry about this, I'm not going to.

[Supes™]

Arthur Blank

4400 Falcon Parkway

Flowery Branch, Ga. 30542

[Dago]

Arthur Blank

4400 Falcon Parkway

Flowery Branch, Ga. 30542

do you even know what an internet forum is for? it is to discuss things.

fact of the matter is that you don't have a good answer and nothing to add to the discussion but your homerism can't allow you to be objective and admit that this is a bush league move by the Falcons ORGANIZATION (there...not centering it on Blank) so this is what you resort to

also, if there is anybody who can tell me why they were temporary pay cuts? if these employees had been suspended or fired, the argument that Blank may not have known would have more merit.

[Supes™]

do you even know what an internet forum is for? it is to discuss things.

fact of the matter is that you don't have a good answer and nothing to add to the discussion but your homerism can't allow you to be objective and admit that this is a bush league move by the Falcons ORGANIZATION (there...not centering it on Blank) so this is what you resort to

also, if there is anybody who can tell me why they were temporary pay cuts? if these employees had been suspended or fired, the argument that Blank may not have known would have more merit.

Look dude, I don't know the specifics so I won't pass judgement. I am on record IN THIS THREAD stating that I think it stinks, and nowhere do you see me saying that I think Blank (or whoever) did the right thing.

Concerning Arthur directly, he is widely known for his charities and generosity as well as pouring millions into the Falcons organization.

One thing to consider is there may not be very much going on in Flowery Branch during this lockout. I imagine there could be some staffers sitting around with not much (if anything), to do. A small pay cut may have looked pretty good to them vs. getting laid off. But I'm just speculating, as is everyone else who isn't directly involved.

[Dago]

Look dude, I don't know the specifics so I won't pass judgement. I am on record IN THIS THREAD stating that I think it stinks, and nowhere do you see me saying that I think Blank (or whoever) did the right thing.

Concerning Arthur directly, he is widely known for his charities and generosity as well as pouring millions into the Falcons organization.

One thing to consider is there may not be very much going on in Flowery Branch during this lockout. I imagine there could be some staffers sitting around with not much (if anything), to do. A small pay cut may have looked pretty good to them vs. getting laid off. But I'm just speculating, as is everyone else who isn't directly involved.

difference is that a lot of teams didn't give their staff that choice. they chose to keep on paying them as they normally would while there is hope for a season

maybe Blank didn't order it, but he damned well knows about it by now

[Supes™]

difference is that a lot of teams didn't give their staff that choice. they chose to keep on paying them as they normally would while there is hope for a season

maybe Blank didn't order it, but he damned well knows about it by now

It would be hard to imagine that he knows nothing about it, I'll give you that.

J.Mike use to refer to this time of year as the "June Swoon", meaning there was not much going on at the Branch. Add a lockout on top of that and it's probably as busy as a tomb around there these days.

Ever lost a job? I've lost several due to "downsizing" and "cutbacks". I was never offered a reduction in pay or hours or any choices at all other than to hit the door and file for unemployment. I applaud the other franchises that (for now), have chosen NOT to invoke pay cuts and lay-offs, but like we've already agreed on, the longer this lockout drags on, the more folks are gonna get hurt around the entire league.

Personally, I think any pay cuts should start at the top in any big business (and it IS a business, ya know), but I've never seen that happen.

[SaintRay]

difference is that a lot of teams didn't give their staff that choice. they chose to keep on paying them as they normally would while there is hope for a season

maybe Blank didn't order it, but he damned well knows about it by now

I am absolutely certain there are ever payroll changes in the Falcon organization that Mr. Blank doesn't know about in advance, and especially the reduction of salaries due to the lockout.

If he didn't approve this, I'd be shocked. No knowing this would mean he has little influence over his team.

[Supes™]

should not be long at all till he starts cutting some artists!

So true! But I am not presently under contract with the Falcons and I imagine that's the last thing on anyone's mind at Flowery Branch!

Super doesn't get paid, I don't think. Maybe with Free tickets or something like that.

Yeah, I get paid, but it's a seasonal contract. Whether a contract is offered to me again this season (if there is a season), who knows? To tell you the truth, I'm not sure I would be up for it again it one is offered.