Aqib Talib indicted

[Guest jb aka johnnybuc]

I doubt that provision approves of shooting at someone as they are running away.

Does it matter? If I'm in fear for my life or that of my family I don't care if you're walking on your hands I'm gonna shoot.

I was taught that if ever i'm in a home invasion situation and have shot the intruder, I say two things when the authorities arrive on the scene. First, "I was in fear for my life". Second, " I want to speak to my attorney".

[DD: Objective Elite]

Does it matter? If I'm in fear for my life or that of my family I don't care if you're walking on your hands I'm gonna shoot.

I was taught that if ever I'm in a home invasion situation and have shot the intruder, I say two things when the authorities arrive on the scene. First, "I was in fear for my life". Second, " I want to speak to my attorney".

I'm only referring to what the law states, that's it.

Just so there's no confusion here, I am a member of the NRA and have my Ohio CCW permit. I never leave the house without my Glock 17. If someone were to break into my house, they would meet the business end of my Mossberg 590-A1.

Anyway, I'm not going to comment on the Talib matter anymore. I will say the Bucs should just sever their ties to him, they have a young and up and coming team. They don't need Talib, Talib needs them.

[Guest jb aka johnnybuc]

Below is Talib's arrest affidavit filed by the garland Police:

http://www.joebucsfa...essProvider.pdf

[Guest jb aka johnnybuc]

I'm only referring to what the law states, that's it.

Just so there's no confusion here, I am a member of the NRA and have my Ohio CCW permit. I never leave the house without my Glock 17. If someone were to break into my house, they would meet the business end of my Mossberg 590-A1.

Anyway, I'm not going to comment on the Talib matter anymore. I will say the Bucs should just sever their ties to him, they have a young and up and coming team. They don't need Talib, Talib needs them.

Sorry, but unless he's convicted of something here I don't see the BUCS releasing him. They may, but I doubt it.

[Dago]

the lockout might actually be working in Talib's favor

neither the Bucs or Goodell can do a thing to him right now and if he gets let off, they certainly would look like idiots doing anything to him after

[DD: Objective Elite]

Below is Talib's arrest affidavit filed by the garland Police:

http://www.joebucsfa...essProvider.pdf

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[REV.2000]

the lockout might actually be working in Talib's favor

neither the Bucs or Goodell can do a thing to him right now and if he gets let off, they certainly would look like idiots doing anything to him after

IT WILL PLAY ITSELF OUT ... ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I JUST DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER!

[AMERICAN_MUSCLE]

This is what you post after reading it? You should have posted a picture of a unicorn cause there's no way that b.s. holds up in court.

[Big_L]

Here is the TX Castle Doctrine

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/80R/billtext/html/SB00378F.htm

I think he gets off, justified. I don't even think he gets suspended.

[DD: Objective Elite]

This is what you post after reading it? You should have posted a picture of a unicorn cause there's no way that b.s. holds up in court.

Let's see the detectives caught Aqib in several lies, his DNA was on the gun, the shell casing location supports the fact that Aqib fired the gun, Aqib's mother admitted she heard a gunshot while Aqib was chasing the guy down, the neighbor's statement supports the victims claims, he and his mother drove to his house armed, Aqib's mother returned in different clothes and claimed Aqib was in Florida, Aqib and his mother's statements had more holes in them than a plank of wormwood and Aqib's claim that he left his gun at his sister's house is laughable at best.

Did you read the entire report?

It doesn't look good for your boy!

[Corsair]

Posted by another person on another board...

Just read the full affidavit. I encourage people here to do the same and draw your own conclusions, but for the lazy among you, here are the cliff notes:

- Ms. Talib initially told officers, on the day of the incident, that she wasn't even present for the incident and that Aqib was in Florida, until they told her a witness saw them both. So she was caught lying right off the bat.

- In the interview with Ms. Talib, her story contradicted Aqib's multiple times, mostly about unimportant stuff like whether or not Aqib went straight home, who drove Ms. Talib home, and who left the scene with the gun. None of these inconsistencies have any physical evidence at this point to show who's telling the truth.

- Aqib initially lied to detectives in his interview about his girlfriend being there, presumably to not get her involved. After a few minutes with his lawyer, he admitted she came there with him.

- The main inconsistency with Billing's story is the number of shots fired during the incident. Billings claimed that Ms. Talib shot at him twice before Aqib took the gun and fired at him "several times". While running into the woods, he also claims to have tripped and discharged the gun one more time. However, Aqib said there were a total of 5 shots fired during the incident. The neighbor who made the call to police claimed to have seen Ms. Talib fire at Billings, before hearing "one or two" more shots after they disappeared from her sight. If it was one shot, it presumably could have been the one Billings fired when he tripped. Even if it was two, this contradicts Billings story of Aqib firing several shots, which is good news.

- The other large sticking point to the case is the gun's origins. Ms. Talib, by all accounts, brought the second gun to the scene. The first gun is the issue. Billings claims that Aqib brought it with him, threatened him with it, tried to hit him with it, let it slip from his hands, letting Billings recover it. Aqib claims he left the gun at Saran's, just like he had done with the gun his mother brought, and Billings had brought it to the scene. Aqib was a little fuzzy on when he left the gun there, first saying "a month or two" then later saying it could have been three weeks, after detectives told him they found his DNA on the gun. No other physical evidence has been presented to confirm either story.

My opinion from the whole thing is that, as is usually the case, everyone told their fair share of lies to police. The reason for optimism is that there seems to be no real evidence (besides Billings' claim and DNA that could have been there for some time) that can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Aqib fired the weapon at all, much less with intent to hit Billings. However, he did get caught in at least one lie to police, which Goodell won't like, even if it was to protect his girlfriend. I'd be pretty surprised if Aqib got convicted of any felony, but I think he'll serve a suspension.

Note: I'm sort of surprised no fingerprint evidence was in the affidavit. Not that I'd know, but I imagine the grip on a gun to pistol whip someone is quite different from the standard firing grip, and I'd think print location could at least help determine that part of the case. Also, not sure if prints can be dated either absolutely or relatively, but if so that would also clear a lot of things up.

[REV.2000]

Posted by another person on another board...

Just read the full affidavit. I encourage people here to do the same and draw your own conclusions, but for the lazy among you, here are the cliff notes:

- Ms. Talib initially told officers, on the day of the incident, that she wasn't even present for the incident and that Aqib was in Florida, until they told her a witness saw them both. So she was caught lying right off the bat.

- In the interview with Ms. Talib, her story contradicted Aqib's multiple times, mostly about unimportant stuff like whether or not Aqib went straight home, who drove Ms. Talib home, and who left the scene with the gun. None of these inconsistencies have any physical evidence at this point to show who's telling the truth.

- Aqib initially lied to detectives in his interview about his girlfriend being there, presumably to not get her involved. After a few minutes with his lawyer, he admitted she came there with him.

- The main inconsistency with Billing's story is the number of shots fired during the incident. Billings claimed that Ms. Talib shot at him twice before Aqib took the gun and fired at him "several times". While running into the woods, he also claims to have tripped and discharged the gun one more time. However, Aqib said there were a total of 5 shots fired during the incident. The neighbor who made the call to police claimed to have seen Ms. Talib fire at Billings, before hearing "one or two" more shots after they disappeared from her sight. If it was one shot, it presumably could have been the one Billings fired when he tripped. Even if it was two, this contradicts Billings story of Aqib firing several shots, which is good news.

- The other large sticking point to the case is the gun's origins. Ms. Talib, by all accounts, brought the second gun to the scene. The first gun is the issue. Billings claims that Aqib brought it with him, threatened him with it, tried to hit him with it, let it slip from his hands, letting Billings recover it. Aqib claims he left the gun at Saran's, just like he had done with the gun his mother brought, and Billings had brought it to the scene. Aqib was a little fuzzy on when he left the gun there, first saying "a month or two" then later saying it could have been three weeks, after detectives told him they found his DNA on the gun. No other physical evidence has been presented to confirm either story.

My opinion from the whole thing is that, as is usually the case, everyone told their fair share of lies to police. The reason for optimism is that there seems to be no real evidence (besides Billings' claim and DNA that could have been there for some time) that can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Aqib fired the weapon at all, much less with intent to hit Billings. However, he did get caught in at least one lie to police, which Goodell won't like, even if it was to protect his girlfriend. I'd be pretty surprised if Aqib got convicted of any felony, but I think he'll serve a suspension.

Note: I'm sort of surprised no fingerprint evidence was in the affidavit. Not that I'd know, but I imagine the grip on a gun to pistol whip someone is quite different from the standard firing grip, and I'd think print location could at least help determine that part of the case. Also, not sure if prints can be dated either absolutely or relatively, but if so that would also clear a lot of things up.

WHAT DID THIS GUY DO TO AQIB AND HIS MOTHER IN THE FIRST PLACE?

SOMETHINGS REALLY UP WHEN MOM GETS INTO THE MIX. WHO IS THIS GUY

ANY WAY?

[Corsair]

Billings is Aqib's sister's (Saran) boyfriend.

He's been arrested a couple times for "domestic disturbance" while living with her.

The rumor is, this time she called Aqib instead of the cops, who came over and had this issue while defending his sister.

[DD: Objective Elite]

Posted by another person on another board...

Just read the full affidavit. I encourage people here to do the same and draw your own conclusions, but for the lazy among you, here are the cliff notes:

- Ms. Talib initially told officers, on the day of the incident, that she wasn't even present for the incident and that Aqib was in Florida, until they told her a witness saw them both. So she was caught lying right off the bat.

- In the interview with Ms. Talib, her story contradicted Aqib's multiple times, mostly about unimportant stuff like whether or not Aqib went straight home, who drove Ms. Talib home, and who left the scene with the gun. None of these inconsistencies have any physical evidence at this point to show who's telling the truth.

- Aqib initially lied to detectives in his interview about his girlfriend being there, presumably to not get her involved. After a few minutes with his lawyer, he admitted she came there with him.

- The main inconsistency with Billing's story is the number of shots fired during the incident. Billings claimed that Ms. Talib shot at him twice before Aqib took the gun and fired at him "several times". While running into the woods, he also claims to have tripped and discharged the gun one more time. However, Aqib said there were a total of 5 shots fired during the incident. The neighbor who made the call to police claimed to have seen Ms. Talib fire at Billings, before hearing "one or two" more shots after they disappeared from her sight. If it was one shot, it presumably could have been the one Billings fired when he tripped. Even if it was two, this contradicts Billings story of Aqib firing several shots, which is good news.

- The other large sticking point to the case is the gun's origins. Ms. Talib, by all accounts, brought the second gun to the scene. The first gun is the issue. Billings claims that Aqib brought it with him, threatened him with it, tried to hit him with it, let it slip from his hands, letting Billings recover it. Aqib claims he left the gun at Saran's, just like he had done with the gun his mother brought, and Billings had brought it to the scene. Aqib was a little fuzzy on when he left the gun there, first saying "a month or two" then later saying it could have been three weeks, after detectives told him they found his DNA on the gun. No other physical evidence has been presented to confirm either story.

My opinion from the whole thing is that, as is usually the case, everyone told their fair share of lies to police. The reason for optimism is that there seems to be no real evidence (besides Billings' claim and DNA that could have been there for some time) that can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Aqib fired the weapon at all, much less with intent to hit Billings. However, he did get caught in at least one lie to police, which Goodell won't like, even if it was to protect his girlfriend. I'd be pretty surprised if Aqib got convicted of any felony, but I think he'll serve a suspension.

Note: I'm sort of surprised no fingerprint evidence was in the affidavit. Not that I'd know, but I imagine the grip on a gun to pistol whip someone is quite different from the standard firing grip, and I'd think print location could at least help determine that part of the case. Also, not sure if prints can be dated either absolutely or relatively, but if so that would also clear a lot of things up.

I believe fingerprints are considered DNA evidence. Big L would know for sure, he's a cop after all.

[Corsair]

Yes, but Aqib has already stated that both guns are his, legally. He stated he left it at his sisters house. So yes, if he owns the gun, it makes sense that there would be his prints on it.

Also, Aqib admits that handled both guns in this situation. He took the 9mm from Billings who had possession of it when Talib arrived on scene. He took the .380 from his mother after she fired at the ground at Billings feet.

No witnesses have corroborated Billings statement that Aqib Talib fired a gun at him. At least as far as this affidavit is concerned.

[Corsair]

I invite everyone to read the affadavit:

here

[DD: Objective Elite]

Yes, but Aqib has already stated that both guns are his, legally. He stated he left it at his sisters house. So yes, if he owns the gun, it makes sense that there would be his prints on it.

Also, Aqib admits that handled both guns in this situation. He took the 9mm from Billings who had possession of it when Talib arrived on scene. He took the .380 from his mother after she fired at the ground at Billings feet.

No witnesses have corroborated Billings statement that Aqib Talib fired a gun at him. At least as far as this affidavit is concerned.

The problem with this is it's Aqib and his mothers word, against Billings'. Aqib has already lied to investigators once and his mother, well she's in a lot of trouble. Billings' neighbor collaborates his story, they witnessed Aqib's mother shooting at Billings.

It's going to come down to if Aqib left his gun at his sister's house. To be honest, I'm not sure I believe that. If he wanted a pistol for his sister, why not go out and buy one for her. I would never leave any of my firearms with anyone, relatives included.

I think he may have to do a little time on this one, we'll see.

[Corsair]

The problem with this is it's Aqib and his mothers word, against Billings'. Aqib has already lied to investigators once and his mother, well she's in a lot of trouble. Billings' neighbor collaborates his story, they witnessed Aqib's mother shooting at Billings.

It's going to come down to if Aqib left his gun at his sister's house. To be honest, I'm not sure I believe that. If he wanted a pistol for his sister, why not go out and buy one for her. I would never leave any of my firearms with anyone, relatives included.

I think he may have to do a little time on this one, we'll see.

I'm willing to bet both his mother and sister have been convicted of a felony. Therefore, they can't legally own a gun. But if Aqib wants to leave one of his legally owned firearms at their place, in case they need it... there isn't anything illegal about it.

Also, the neighbor's statement does NOT corroborate Billings story that Aqib fired a gun at him, but it does for his mother. The only person who said Aqib fired the gun is a man who was already wanted by police (for a previous incident with Saran) before Talib even arrived on the scene.

Chances are, his mother will plea to felony assault and get some jail time, while Aqib pleas down to misdemeanor reckless endangerment, and only has some probation and court ordered anger management classes.

[DD: Objective Elite]

I'm willing to bet both his mother and sister have been convicted of a felony. Therefore, they can't legally own a gun. But if Aqib wants to leave one of his legally owned firearms at their place, in case they need it... there isn't anything illegal about it.

Also, the neighbor's statement does NOT corroborate Billings story that Aqib fired a gun at him, but it does for his mother. The only person who said Aqib fired the gun is a man who was already wanted by police (for a previous incident with Saran) before Talib even arrived on the scene.

Chances are, his mother will plea to felony assault and get some jail time, while Aqib pleas down to misdemeanor reckless endangerment, and only has some probation and court ordered anger management classes.

Chances are if you're a felon, you cannot posses a firearm, period.

Didn't Aqib already have to go to anger management before?

[Corsair]

After his TC fight 2 seasons ago, he reportedly attending anger management classes, but wasn't forced to.

But seriously.

After the fight with Cory Boyd at the rookie symposium

After the TC fight with Penn which injured Cox

After punching a cabbie at 1AM

After being present at a gunfight regarding his family

I'm not going to say that this guy is a good man, or worth the headaches, or a role model.

All I'm saying is, this guy has got an amazing lawyer.

[DD: Objective Elite]

After his TC fight 2 seasons ago, he reportedly attending anger management classes, but wasn't forced to.

But seriously.

After the fight with Cory Boyd at the rookie symposium

After the TC fight with Penn which injured Cox

After punching a cabbie at 1AM

After being present at a gunfight regarding his family

I'm not going to say that this guy is a good man, or worth the headaches, or a role model.

All I'm saying is, this guy has got an amazing lawyer.

Sometimes it's better to be rich than innocent.

[Guest jb aka johnnybuc]

Sometimes it's better to be rich than innocent.

Just ask O.J.!

[Big_L]

Fingerprints are forensic evidence not DNA evidence. While technically DNA evidence is forensic evidence as well, a fingerprint leaves no actual DNA, its the oils secreted from the skin. In order to get a good printthe surface would have to be pretty smooth and uniform, ie the slide or barrel of the firearm in question. He should of been tested for powder burns to determine if he had fired a firearm recently.

In Texas one cannot legally puchase or be in the possesion of a firearm outside of ones home or property if convicted of a felony offense or family violence.

Edited June 3, 2011 by Big_L

[Guest jb aka johnnybuc]

Fingerprints are forensic evidence not DNA evidence. While technically DNA evidence is forensic evidence as well, a fingerprint leaves no actual DNA, its the oils secreted from the skin. In order to get a good printthe surface would have to be pretty smooth and uniform, ie the slide or barrel of the firearm in question. He should of been tested for powder burns to determine if he had fired a firearm recently.

In Texas one cannot legally puchase or be in the possesion of a firearm outside of ones home or property if convicted of a felony offense or family violence.

Talib's never been convicted of a felony.

[yardbird?]

Grand Jury indictments typically means law enforcement lacks enough evidence for the state attorney's office to proceed with prosecution....no credible witnesses..etc... Barry Bonds case is a prime example.