Posted June 11, 2012 Ha! Just wanted to see if that worked. muskokas finest ©, AF89, Jimsmusic™ and 1 other like this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 11, 2012 I was reading some background on the Targaryen dynasty and had a question: what does it mean to "legitimize" one's bastar.ds? Does it grant them the right to titles (ser) and lands? Does it mean they will be eligible to receive an inheritance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 11, 2012 Trying so hard not to get completely spoiled by everything, my wife has finished all the books and is mouthy about it. so here is what i know unfortunatelyDo not read this section unless you are done with the books I know Jon Snow becomes pretty important and become a lord, I know Rob and Catelyn die, I know Sansa and Tyrion get together, and now it's posted up here that Jon potentially dies? WTF, In the most general terms can someone spoil this for me so I do not go looking around and make it worse for myselfDo the Starks EVER get any kind of retribution, Power or vengeance for anything? Are they simply Martin's punching bag throughout the whole series? Seems they are doomed to never be anything other than fodder for the other houses to abuse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 11, 2012 Trying so hard not to get completely spoiled by everything, my wife has finished all the books and is mouthy about it. so here is what i know unfortunately I know Jon Snow becomes pretty important and become a lord, I know Rob and Catelyn die, I know Sansa and Tyrion get together, and now it's posted up here that Jon potentially dies? WTF, In the most general terms can someone spoil this for me so I do not go looking around and make it worse for myselfDo the Starks EVER get any kind of retribution, Power or vengeance for anything? Are they simply Martin's punching bag throughout the whole series? Seems they are doomed to never be anything other than fodder for the other houses to abuse cut and paste one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 11, 2012 I was reading some background on the Targaryen dynasty and had a question: what does it mean to "legitimize" one's bastar.ds? Does it grant them the right to titles (ser) and lands? Does it mean they will be eligible to receive an inheritance?If a lord didn't have any legitmate heirs, the king could legitimize a b@stard to that status Billy Ocean likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 11, 2012 I'm still trying to figure out what the purpose of the prologues in Feast and Dance were. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 11, 2012 Can anyone answer this question in vague terms so I don't spoiler myself any further?Do not read this section unless you are done with the books I know Jon Snow becomes pretty important and become a lord, I know Rob and Catelyn die, I know Sansa and Tyrion get together, and now it's posted up here that Jon potentially dies? WTF, In the most general terms can someone spoil this for me so I do not go looking around and make it worse for myselfDo the Starks EVER get any kind of retribution, Power or vengeance for anything? Are they simply Martin's punching bag throughout the whole series? Seems they are doomed to never be anything other than fodder for the other houses to abuse Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 12, 2012 I'm still trying to figure out what the purpose of the prologues in Feast and Dance were.Maybe he just needed someone to stand in for the character in the prologue always dies bit lol. Your right though up till the point I've read (got another 100 pages in Dance of Dragons) I'm still trying to figure out what was up with the Prologue in Feast was about. Was that Jaqen H'ghar who killed Pate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 12, 2012 Trying so hard not to get completely spoiled by everything, my wife has finished all the books and is mouthy about it. so here is what i know unfortunately I know Jon Snow becomes pretty important and become a lord, I know Rob and Catelyn die, I know Sansa and Tyrion get together, and now it's posted up here that Jon potentially dies? WTF, In the most general terms can someone spoil this for me so I do not go looking around and make it worse for myselfDo the Starks EVER get any kind of retribution, Power or vengeance for anything? Are they simply Martin's punching bag throughout the whole series? Seems they are doomed to never be anything other than fodder for the other houses to abuse Yikes!! Most of these spoilers are fairly subtle so I don't have issue with reading but this is one I had to close before I got too far.No harm no foul though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 12, 2012 Can anyone answer this question in vague terms so I don't spoiler myself any further? I know Jon Snow becomes pretty important and become a lord, I know Rob and Catelyn die, I know Sansa and Tyrion get together, and now it's posted up here that Jon potentially dies? WTF, In the most general terms can someone spoil this for me so I do not go looking around and make it worse for myselfDo the Starks EVER get any kind of retribution, Power or vengeance for anything? Are they simply Martin's punching bag throughout the whole series? Seems they are doomed to never be anything other than fodder for the other houses to abuse I'm almost 98% sure that they will. George RR Martin likes to knock off or act like he's knocking off his main characters but he doesn't seem like the type to let the bad guys get away without having their comeuppance by the end of the story.I think a few Lannisters (minus a the good ones I hope), Frey's and Boltons with either be ruined or be short a head by story's end Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 12, 2012 Yikes!! Most of these spoilers are fairly subtle so I don't have issue with reading but this is one I had to close before I got too far.No harm no foul though.Sorry I added another warning to the text, these spoilers my wife gave me and I accidentally ran across looking up info on a character. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 12, 2012 well that's what the do not read if you are not finished with the book warnings was for :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 12, 2012 Maybe he just needed someone to stand in for the character in the prologue always dies bit lol. Your right though up till the point I've read (got another 100 pages in Dance of Dragons) I'm still trying to figure out what was up with the Prologue in Feast was about. Was that Jaqen H'ghar who killed Pate? I'm fairly sure it was. He's got the same description as the person Jaqen becomes after face-changing. I'm just not sure what his mission is. It seems as though some people think the Citadel is in possession of a dragon egg and that's what the key was for, but I'm not sure what the Faceless Men would want with a dragon egg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 12, 2012 Finished Game of Thrones last night- ******* wow! Great stuff. Can't wait to pick up the next one this weekend.So, just to confirm: Is it safe for me to watch the first season at this point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 12, 2012 Finished Game of Thrones last night- ******* wow! Great stuff. Can't wait to pick up the next one this weekend.So, just to confirm: Is it safe for me to watch the first season at this point?yes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 12, 2012 Thanks. And big ups to everyone being so thoughtful as to using these spoiler box things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 12, 2012 Thanks. And big ups to everyone being so thoughtful as to using these spoiler box things. you're welcome Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 12, 2012 Thanks. And big ups to everyone being so thoughtful as to using these spoiler box things.People in this thread are good about spoilers, but the vast majority of this thread is about season 2 of the show. So I assume you already know that you don't want to see most of what's in this thread till you get caught-up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 12, 2012 you're welcome Jimsmusic™ likes this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2012 Somebody asked about Martin's intentions for the Starks earlier in this thread and I just don't feel like going back and looking for it even though it's probably not that far back.It is IMPOSSIBLE to like any of the Starks outside of Bran. They are Westeros' version of the Kardashians. They do things and you're just left wondering why they ever even managed to exist as long as they did. Waking themselves up in the morning without doing something monumentally stupid becomes a resounding victory for the remaining Stark children as the books progress.House Stark is a giant nebulous of failure and I hope none of them ever get the sort of vengeance that most book readers think they deserve. Stupidity should never be rewarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2012 Somebody asked about Martin's intentions for the Starks earlier in this thread and I just don't feel like going back and looking for it even though it's probably not that far back.It is IMPOSSIBLE to like any of the Starks outside of Bran. They are Westeros' version of the Kardashians. They do things and you're just left wondering why they ever even managed to exist as long as they did. Waking themselves up in the morning without doing something monumentally stupid becomes a resounding victory for the remaining Stark children as the books progress.House Stark is a giant nebulous of failure and I hope none of them ever get the sort of vengeance that most book readers think they deserve. Stupidity should never be rewarded.I agree. I believe that House Stark represents the epitome of abject stupidity and that their entire clan if full of honorable but idiotic characters. The natural path for all of them is to walk into death in their utter stupidity, like Ned Stark did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted June 13, 2012 Somebody asked about Martin's intentions for the Starks earlier in this thread and I just don't feel like going back and looking for it even though it's probably not that far back.It is IMPOSSIBLE to like any of the Starks outside of Bran. They are Westeros' version of the Kardashians. They do things and you're just left wondering why they ever even managed to exist as long as they did. Waking themselves up in the morning without doing something monumentally stupid becomes a resounding victory for the remaining Stark children as the books progress.House Stark is a giant nebulous of failure and I hope none of them ever get the sort of vengeance that most book readers think they deserve. Stupidity should never be rewarded.Arya Stark......that is all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
