head busta from augusta Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/23/drop-percentage/Looking DeeperTo get a bit further into it, I’ve pulled all the data from the last three years to see who has that consistency over a longer period. The qualifying amount of catchable balls thrown goes up to 120, and the results get more interesting.Up front, you’ve got two of the perennial favorites in this list with the aforementioned Walter and Fitzgerald showing 2010 was no fluke. Also in the top five, Vincent Jackson shows what Philip Rivers missed last year. His ability to go down the field and make tricky catches, is something that makes him one of the most in-demand receivers, even with a franchise tag on him.Some of the other names that should be of interest are Austin Collie up in eighth, while Pierre Garcon finished sixth from bottom. They don’t play identical roles in the Colts offense, but you can put some of Peyton Manning’s 2010 struggles on the absence of Austin Collie (as well as Dallas Clark) and extra reliance on the less dependable Garcon.Wide Receivers, Top 10 Drop Percentage, 2008-2010Rank Player Team Receptions Drops Catchable Drop %1 Kevin Walter HST 164 5 169 2.96%2 Larry Fitzgerald ARZ 325 11 336 3.27%3 Eddie Royal DEN 187 9 196 4.59%4 Vincent Jackson SD 150 8 158 5.06%5 Lance Moore NO 149 8 157 5.10%6 Jason Avant PHI 144 8 152 5.26%7 Anquan Boldin BLT 258 15 273 5.49%8 Austin Collie IND 135 8 143 5.59%9 Michael Jenkins ATL 152 10 162 6.17%10 Derrick Mason BLT 232 16 248 6.45% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybird1989 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Yea he is an ok #2 but he may be better at slot. I don't care how great he is at catching. All i know is we have three of the best blocking recivers in the league, so we can pass and run out of a three wr set. Im cool with him being #3 because he never has been bad we just had to do what great teams do and upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 No comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Knight Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 He can catch the ball when he GETS OPEN AND GETS SEPARATION. That's his problem. He cant separate, and he doesnt fight for the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 No commentThere is a 1st. Well almost anyway. You still had to comment that you had no comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Carasik Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 So you have Jones and Jenkins on the outside and Roddy in the slot in 3 WR sets... am I the only one not seeing the problem here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Beast Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 His hands are not the problem, though early in his career he had horrible deflections that resulted in many INTs. Actually he has indeed become one of the better "hands catcher" in the game. The last second catch against the Bears in 2008 is still a beauty.But - like The Falcon Jedi Knight already mentioned - he rarely does get any seperation and he is extremely unphysical, especially for a guy of his size. And since he can´t jump at all, his hands become rather useless in the redzone. If a 5"10 CB can easily out-jump him, it really doesn´t matter that his hands are great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Folks around here may need to rethink their view of Jenkins. He has been excellent the last two years, including some very clutch plays and putting up quality numbers. He wasn't the first or second receiving option during that time either.For those who've been around, Jenkins has turned out to be like Finneran. Skillet hands couldn't catch a cold and then he went and turned into Mr. Third down reliable. It took a while for the fan base to come around then too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peoriabird Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 He can catch the ball when he GETS OPEN AND GETS SEPARATION. That's his problem. He cant separate, and he doesnt fight for the ball.To be honest, Douglass is the one that can't get separation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Folks around here may need to rethink their view of Jenkins. He has been excellent the last two years, including some very clutch plays and putting up quality numbers. He wasn't the first or second receiving option during that time either.For those who've been around, Jenkins has turned out to be like Finneran. Skillet hands couldn't catch a cold and then he went and turned into Mr. Third down reliable. It took a while for the fan base to come around then too.You mean like in 09 when he dropped a red zone first down pass in NO, or the game winning TD catch against the Giants? How about the 3 tip drill INTs off his hands [wonder if they were considered drops?]? Or this years playoffs where he fell down in the end zone, dropped a third down pass and fumbled away a possession? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr0d1gy Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Some of you are giving Jenkins too much credit. I wouldn't say he was a total bust but he plays like he is 5'6 instead of 6'6. He has had THREE touchdowns in the past TWO years people. I know you want to support the players on this team but he clearly wasn't getting the job done playing opposite Roddy White. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freebird310 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 You mean like in 09 when he dropped a red zone first down pass in NO, or the game winning TD catch against the Giants? How about the 3 tip drill INTs off his hands [wonder if they were considered drops?]? Or this years playoffs where he fell down in the end zone, dropped a third down pass and fumbled away a possession?No sheet, LMAO ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Honestly, with as much attention as Roddy and TG were getting last year you would think that Jenkins would have put up better numbers.I like Jenkins but the simple fact is like what Jedi said... he doesn't get separation and he doesn't fight for the ball.A lot of times he can be covered with the #2 corner and doesn't beat 1 on 1 coverage... At least he doesn't beat it enough to take any pressure off of Roddy or TG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Honestly, with as much attention as Roddy and TG were getting last year you would think that Jenkins would have put up better numbers.I like Jenkins but the simple fact is like what Jedi said... he doesn't get separation and he doesn't fight for the ball.A lot of times he can be covered with the #2 corner and doesn't beat 1 on 1 coverage... At least he doesn't beat it enough to take any pressure off of Roddy or TG.Better numbers for 11 games....?Roddy catches 115 balls...Jerry Rice with Taylor, T.O. and other great #2s and TEs only managed more the 115 catches once in his career and that was in the West Coast Offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Better numbers for 11 games....?Roddy catches 115 balls...Jerry Rice with Taylor, T.O. and other great #2s and TEs only managed more the 115 catches once in his career and that was in the West Coast Offense.I don't think it's a good thing that Roddy had that many passes thrown his way.I would prefer that the ball was spread around more. When defenses started really game planning to take Roddy and TG away we should have been killing them somewhere else... but we didn't.Is that Jenkins fault? No, but it would have been nice if we could have made them pay for all the coverage on Roddy and TG with Douglas or Jenkins.Again, I like Jenkins and want to keep him on the team because I think he's a good addition. After several years I realize he's more of a possesion WR.... not a game breaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I don't think it's a good thing that Roddy had that many passes thrown his way.I would prefer that the ball was spread around more. When defenses started really game planning to take Roddy and TG away we should have been killing them somewhere else... but we didn't.Is that Jenkins fault? No, but it would have been nice if we could have made them pay for all the coverage on Roddy and TG with Douglas or Jenkins.Again, I like Jenkins and want to keep him on the team because I think he's a good addition. After several years I realize he's more of a possesion WR.... not a game breaker.I agreed. I'm going back to Mora and Company with Vick, Crumpler and Dunn. We didn't have the QB or the staff to establish an offense that required any WR to be a game-breaker. It's kinda ironic that the VERY first year that we established a more balanced offense with a QB and staff Jenkins, had his best year as a WR by a good margin as compared to the previous years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou_Dog Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 He can catch. He just cant get open. He has never played up to his size and apparently never will. He could be a beast if he wasnt such a pansy. If we do keep him aorund he might be alot better lining up against NBs in the slot. Having Roddy, Julio, Douglas and Jenkins in a 4 WR set would give defenses fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I agreed. I'm going back to Mora and Company with Vick, Crumpler and Dunn. We didn't have the QB or the staff to establish an offense that required any WR to be a game-breaker. It's kinda ironic that the VERY first year that we established a more balanced offense with a QB and staff Jenkins, had his best year as a WR by a good margin as compared to the previous years.Yes on all counts.The thing that is really sad about those times is just think of the running game we had back then. If we could have gotten the passing game going to complement it.Oh well... what could have been... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Folks around here may need to rethink their view of Jenkins. He has been excellent the last two years, including some very clutch plays and putting up quality numbers. He wasn't the first or second receiving option during that time either.For those who've been around, Jenkins has turned out to be like Finneran. Skillet hands couldn't catch a cold and then he went and turned into Mr. Third down reliable. It took a while for the fan base to come around then too.I hate it when people on here say this. In 08 he was the #2 option in the offense whether you like it or not. That is why they signed TG. To give us the best 3rd option in the game. But once TG came, Jenkins went back to his mediocre ways forcing Ryan to go to TG a lot more. And Jenkins will never be close to Finn. Different mentalities when the ball is in the air. Jenkins is a waiter/body catcher with the occasional hands catch. Finn is a hands catcher who attacks the ball. That is why Finn, at 35 with two bad knees was the primary red zone threat and Jenkins only has 3 TDs in the last 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Yes on all counts.The thing that is really sad about those times is just think of the running game we had back then. If we could have gotten the passing game going to complement it.Oh well... what could have been...I KNOW!!! But I'm sooo glad that we are in the best possible position to do this since the Bartkowski and Chandler days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sun Tzu 7 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) I KNOW!!! But I'm sooo glad that we are in the best possible position to do this since the Bartkowski and Chandler days!I know what you mean.For a franchise that historcially hasn't always had the best luck with QBs, (excluding Bartowski), we went on a pretty decent run when drafting them between Vick, Schaub, and Ryan.It was funny to hear during the pro-bowl that Atlanta was the QB mecca. They may have not actually said 'QB mecca' but you know that's what they were thinking. Edited May 25, 2011 by Sun Tzu 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I know what you mean.For a franchise that historcially hasn't always had the best luck with QBs, (excluding Bartowski), we went on a pretty decent run when drafting them between Vick, Schaub, and Ryan.It was funny to hear during the pro-bowl that Atlanta was the QB mecca. They may have not actually said 'QB mecca' but you know that's what they were thinking. Yeah... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Jenkins was good in 08, bad in 09, and solid in 10. He run blocks with the best in the league and has had solid hands for most of his career. He just lacks the ability to separate, beat a defense over the top, attack the ball in the air, and pick up any kind of YAC. He's the #3 receiving option in this offense because his talent dictates that. If he was a better player, he would be the #2 with Gonzalez or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconmaniac Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 He can catch the ball when he GETS OPEN AND GETS SEPARATION. That's his problem. He cant separate, and he doesnt fight for the ball.Jedi hit it! He does not seem to fight for the ball! He catches IF he is wide open but if someone is on him he seems to give up on making the play.He will be a great # 3 wr!We will have the best blocking wr's in the NFL!!!!!! I am taking Turner on my fantasy team this year for sure! He will slip because he had a sub par season last year but with these 3 guys demanding coverage it will be hard for teams to defend the run. And even if they know we are running the wr's can block like crazy! It is a win win for Turner and Quiz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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