Ryan Is Way Better Than Many Think

[Atl/0]

Ryan accommodates for his throwing mechanics by anticipating the route and getting the ball out quickly, a rare skill for QBs. Add on the fact that this will only get better once he begins working with the new QB coach too. Also, I'm not a big fan of our ball control offense. I believe it hinders Ryan's ability to be a true field general during games. Hopefully with the added weapons we have now on offense, we'll see that transition.

I hear this talking point a lot about this scheme "holding him back". What if the offense is say is built around his strengths so that's why we are a ball control offense? How after 3 years can some of you still say the playbook is open the dude's not a rookie in anymore.

If we run the same crap this year I don't want to hear any excuses.

Edited May 25, 2011 by Atl/0

[Magic Man]

ha ha, is that the new excuse.

ryan played like garbage. we were the favorites, vegas rarely gets it that wrong.

we were road favs in az and home favs against gb. not only did he gag, he single handedly lost the gb game.

please watch the gb highlights of ryan missing a sure fire td turned into an int., and his glorious stare down pick 6.

ryan has proven to be a big game choker, until then thats life.

sice we discuss vick, he was always a good big game guy.

This is why you get negs, with no retort. You're nothing more than a troll with an agenda. Ryan doesn't play defense of special teams, but he lost that game, all by his lonesome? You think if maybe the D could have kept Rodgers down to say 17 points, he might not have had a better chance of getting the score turned around? Of course not...because you don't see anything he has done well, and refuse to even acknowledge that it was Ryan, not Vick, not Freeman, not Schaub or any of these guys who brought this franchise back from the brink of oblivion, after the 07 season.

We get it, he was under center when we went to the playoffs, and didn't play great either time. You can have your opinion, but stacking all of the factors involved up, I will take Ryan before most, and I stress most QB's on that list, because of what I know he can do. You're nothing more than a negative, broken record, and your act is old and tired.

[Magic Man]

FACT:

Matt Ryan is not way better than I think.

FACT: You are not as good at posting, or intelligent conversation as you think.

[Magic Man]

Putting it fairly, Ryan is a Good QB with better than average abilities on the field. However, he is a double digit interception guy. With a slow forward moving throw that is relatively easy to read down field pass. He seems to be short on play book plays, since most of the time Ryan hands the ball off to Turner early in games too much instead of stretching the field . As most QB's are rated at playoff wins and losses as with Tony Romo.

TD's / Int's

2010 28 9

In the most recent season, where everyone wants to point out his shortcomings apparently, he had less than your benchmark of double digit int's. In fact, this was his lowest INT total in his career, as well as having a 90+ rating. But thanks Junior.

[chifalc]

TD's / Int's

2010 28 9

In the most recent season, where everyone wants to point out his shortcomings apparently, he had less than your benchmark of double digit int's. In fact, this was his lowest INT total in his career, as well as having a 90+ rating. But thanks Junior.

Wow. You would think he would at least check before shooting off his mouth.

[Falcon Butcher]

If what you say is true, then why in the world are we trading 5 picks for a wide receiver? You know the answer as well as the rest of us.

MattyRattic needs as many crutches as he can wrap his arms around.

BOOM!

Btw, your thread about "In TD we trust, trading the farm to get JJ" is one of the most unbiased write-ups I've read here.

Edited May 25, 2011 by Falcon Butcher

[Falcon Butcher]

No how about I try this thread overreacting to a small amount on this board that don't think Ryan is perfect or a few trolls here and there.

Most of the board loves Matt Ryan end of story.

You can be complacent with what you guys have for a QB, but I never understand why people here become so sensitive when Matt Ryan's flaws are discussed about.

Matt Ryan is a darn good QB, if I were to start a franchise today that already has a good O-line, I would go with Ryan after Rodgers, Rivers, Freeman and Stafford. But there is some serious overrating of Ryan going here because of how well your team played last season and how well Matt played since he's been a rookie. Get this straight, there were many things that happened right for Atlanta last season, major thing being the lack of injuries.

While I look at a very good game manager in Ryan, I totally doubt he can ever be that QB threat who can take over the game by himself and lead the Falcons to be an explosive offense. It could be the offensive scheme, but Ryan IMO is not suited to that kind of QBing and will never be. But unfortunately there are teams with decent-good defenses that have QBs who can take over games, like Brady, Brees and Rodgers. You will always love Ryan, but unless your defense becomes Pittsburgh Steelers good, I don't see Falcons winning the SB.

And to the moron that pointed out Manning winning a SB when his defense played well, Colts D in 06 postseason was a lot better than Colts D in 06 regular season, but it still was a soft defense and inferior to what Falcons had in 2010.

[Twoism]

Matt Ryan is a darn good QB, if I were to start a franchise today that already has a good O-line, I would go with Ryan after Rodgers, Rivers, Freeman and Stafford.

Stafford over Ryan?

[Falcon Butcher]

Stafford over Ryan?

With a good O-line? Yeah. I am a big fan of potential than safeness of a pick, which is why I never will be a big fan of Ryan or Bradford.

[triggerman]

majik,

lets talk about ryan in any fashion you choose.

i never said our defense was good, we were smoke and mirrors playing the worst qbs in the league.

but as for qb's, like Hc's they always get the credit for the wins and the loss. You see they are the single player who touches the ball or is involved in the play every offensive play.

so when its said ryan lost that game, its because he was out gunned. GB had a qb who chined in playoffs, ours not so much.

I mean we are talking about the atl messiah who was 13-3 and beat the pack earlier. who threw 2 ints which essentially equal 14 points (td for them, td lost for us), We had the lead 7-0 and 14-7 and could have put the game away, but im sure you remember the 2nd qtr as well as i do, ryan choked it away. they scored 28. blame the defense, but rewatch the game and the stats if you could.

now if you would like we can talk ryan, what he is good at 7 yard curl routes and no huddle play calling, and what he is bad at long ball, locking onto his reciever and big games.

Im game if you are, or any y'all.

let's talk

[Radical]

Post up Peyton Manning's first two playoff games.

Hold up I'll do it for you.

Peyton Manning's First Two Playoff Games

0 Wins

2 Losses

33 Total Points

49% Completion%

421 Passing yards

1 Passing TD

70.8 Passer Rating

LMAO

Don't forget the multiple interceptions.

[UptownHardHitta]

i remember matty ice's first pass against az.............do you?

he elitely threw an int.

he has 4 int in his 2 games. and a 71 career qb rating in the big games. he aint elite cause he folds like a cheap beach chair in the big games.

but if you wanna crown him, then go ahead and crown his ***. regular season messiah. until he proves he can compete and not be a scared lamb in the playoffs I aint gonna let up on the homers

It depends on what you call a big game. Does it have to be playoffs or can you include games with playoff implications? I recall a certain game late in the regular season that could have been for the division and #1 seed. Ryan absolutely stunk in that game also. Your defense did a good job by not giving up a lot of points and even scored some points. Ryan stunk though.

[Radical]

With a good O-line? Yeah. I am a big fan of potential than safeness of a pick, which is why I never will be a big fan of Ryan or Bradford.

Potential to throw 5 interceptions in a game, or potential to miss three quarters of the season?

[shaudyshaudback]

You can be complacent with what you guys have for a QB, but I never understand why people here become so sensitive when Matt Ryan's flaws are discussed about.

Matt Ryan is a darn good QB, if I were to start a franchise today that already has a good O-line, I would go with Ryan after Rodgers, Rivers, Freeman and Stafford. But there is some serious overrating of Ryan going here because of how well your team played last season and how well Matt played since he's been a rookie. Get this straight, there were many things that happened right for Atlanta last season, major thing being the lack of injuries.

While I look at a very good game manager in Ryan, I totally doubt he can ever be that QB threat who can take over the game by himself and lead the Falcons to be an explosive offense. It could be the offensive scheme, but Ryan IMO is not suited to that kind of QBing and will never be. But unfortunately there are teams with decent-good defenses that have QBs who can take over games, like Brady, Brees and Rodgers. You will always love Ryan, but unless your defense becomes Pittsburgh Steelers good, I don't see Falcons winning the SB.

And to the moron that pointed out Manning winning a SB when his defense played well, Colts D in 06 postseason was a lot better than Colts D in 06 regular season, but it still was a soft defense and inferior to what Falcons had in 2010.

I hear you, disagree with some of the ones you would take over him though.

I think it's tough for any QB to take over a game by themselves. Football is the one sport where that really can't consistently happen.

[Falcon Butcher]

I hear you, disagree with some of the ones you would take over him though.

I think it's tough for any QB to take over a game by themselves. Football is the one sport where that really can't consistently happen.

Lets agree to disagree. I like QBs with the skill set to be great than the ones with just the IQ and work ethic. Matt Ryan's skill set is adequate to be a very good QB considering how good of a student he is of the game and his IQ, but I like me a little more potential.

Also, Ryan looks too soft for me. I like Rivers kind of aggression in a QB. Of course, Rivers has won squat, but still....

[Falcon Butcher]

Potential to throw 5 interceptions in a game, or potential to miss three quarters of the season?

There is a reason why many experts still have high hopes on Stafford despite his health and affinity to throw interceptions. Stafford was electric when ever he was healthy in 2010, he scares the **** out of me and I am really worried about my Bucs opening game against Lions considering we may not be having Talib.

[Twoism]

There is a reason why many experts still have high hopes on Stafford despite his health and affinity to throw interceptions. Stafford was electric when ever he was healthy in 2010, he scares the **** out of me and I am really worried about my Bucs opening game against Lions considering we will not be having Talib.

Fixed.

[BigMikey]

No he isnt

[BigMikey]

He is just as good as we think- top 7/8 qb

[Guest Spot On Dtan]

Bug mikeybur an idiot . Hear barely tip 20

[falconidae]

majik,

lets talk about ryan in any fashion you choose.

i never said our defense was good, we were smoke and mirrors playing the worst qbs in the league.

but as for qb's, like Hc's they always get the credit for the wins and the loss. You see they are the single player who touches the ball or is involved in the play every offensive play.

so when its said ryan lost that game, its because he was out gunned. GB had a qb who chined in playoffs, ours not so much.

I mean we are talking about the atl messiah who was 13-3 and beat the pack earlier. who threw 2 ints which essentially equal 14 points (td for them, td lost for us), We had the lead 7-0 and 14-7 and could have put the game away, but im sure you remember the 2nd qtr as well as i do, ryan choked it away. they scored 28. blame the defense, but rewatch the game and the stats if you could.

now if you would like we can talk ryan, what he is good at 7 yard curl routes and no huddle play calling, and what he is bad at long ball, locking onto his reciever and big games.

Im game if you are, or any y'all.

let's talk

Right, what happened after the Weem's TD? The Pack scored a TD the next drive- how is that Ryan's fault in any way? How could they have gone up 14?

And, how would a 14 point lead put the game away anyway? Pack never punted. Only reason they stopped the pack at all in the first half was a fumble after a 30 yard pass play. Falcons D never stopped the pack- They had 4 80 yard drives-what makes you think a 14 point lead would win the game?

And the Packers got the ball on the 20 after the INT, D had 80 yards to stop them. Them having the ball is Ryan's fault, but the TD is strictly on the D.

There's plenty of blame to go around for that game- from the coaches to Ryan to the D to the rest of the players, but blaming Ryan for the Ds failures isn't accurate or fair.

[Dominique is Manufique]

Right, what happened after the Weem's TD? The Pack scored a TD the next drive- how is that Ryan's fault in any way? How could they have gone up 14?

And, how would a 14 point lead put the game away anyway? Pack never punted. Only reason they stopped the pack at all in the first half was a fumble after a 30 yard pass play. Falcons D never stopped the pack- They had 4 80 yard drives-what makes you think a 14 point lead would win the game?

And the Packers got the ball on the 20 after the INT, D had 80 yards to stop them. Them having the ball is Ryan's fault, but the TD is strictly on the D.

There's plenty of blame to go around for that game- from the coaches to Ryan to the D to the rest of the players, but blaming Ryan for the Ds failures isn't accurate or fair.

attending that game i felt like the entire team from top to bottom was equally to blame. i actually placed a larger blame on the offense simply because the pick 6 was the back breaker. ATL had a fighting chance until that point.

now, i don't say the whole game was ryan's fault. he clearly didn't play his best, but i think the blame being more on the defense when you look at the scoreboard is misleading. i think based on TD's draft, this is a fair point.

[falconidae]

attending that game i felt like the entire team from top to bottom was equally to blame. i actually placed a larger blame on the offense simply because the pick 6 was the back breaker. ATL had a fighting chance until that point.

now, i don't say the whole game was ryan's fault. he clearly didn't play his best, but i think the blame being more on the defense when you look at the scoreboard is misleading. i think based on TD's draft, this is a fair point.

Atlanta had a fighting chance afterwards- it was only 28-14- what killed the falcons was neither unit could produce. They couldn't stop the pack, couldn't get their O going either. Think the D and Ryan should share equal blame. Actually think you should split it between the coaches, Ryan and the D, with special attention noted for Jenkins- who fell down in the end zone, fumbled away a possession and dropped a third down pass. Helped kill 3 drives.

I was responding to a specific post that claimed the Falcons could have gone up 14, that would have made the difference in the game and that Ryan was responsible for an 80 yard TD drive by the Pack.

[Dominique is Manufique]

Atlanta had a fighting chance afterwards- it was only 28-14- what killed the falcons was neither unit could produce. They couldn't stop the pack, couldn't get their O going either. Think the D and Ryan should share equal blame. Actually think you should split it between the coaches, Ryan and the D, with special attention noted for Jenkins- who fell down in the end zone, fumbled away a possession and dropped a third down pass. Helped kill 3 drives.

I was responding to a specific post that claimed the Falcons could have gone up 14, that would have made the difference in the game and that Ryan was responsible for an 80 yard TD drive by the Pack.

i hear ya...wasn't trying to take your response out of context. my point i guess is the score reflects (and the fact that no punts were forced) that the defense was the whole problem. my take was the offense fell flat as well. the pick 6 even though it was a two td game at half time felt like a bigger deficit especially since GB got the ball to start the 2nd half.

what really sucked is i was sitting in the endzone that pick was scored at.

[MSalmon]

You can be complacent with what you guys have for a QB, but I never understand why people here become so sensitive when Matt Ryan's flaws are discussed about.

Matt Ryan is a darn good QB, if I were to start a franchise today that already has a good O-line, I would go with Ryan after Rodgers, Rivers, Freeman and Stafford. But there is some serious overrating of Ryan going here because of how well your team played last season and how well Matt played since he's been a rookie. Get this straight, there were many things that happened right for Atlanta last season, major thing being the lack of injuries.

While I look at a very good game manager in Ryan, I totally doubt he can ever be that QB threat who can take over the game by himself and lead the Falcons to be an explosive offense. It could be the offensive scheme, but Ryan IMO is not suited to that kind of QBing and will never be. But unfortunately there are teams with decent-good defenses that have QBs who can take over games, like Brady, Brees and Rodgers. You will always love Ryan, but unless your defense becomes Pittsburgh Steelers good, I don't see Falcons winning the SB.

And to the moron that pointed out Manning winning a SB when his defense played well, Colts D in 06 postseason was a lot better than Colts D in 06 regular season, but it still was a soft defense and inferior to what Falcons had in 2010.

Get the heck out of here with this BS! First of all with the quick release, anticipation, pocket presence, touch and accuracy Ryan possesses he is the perfect QB for an explosive offense. Throw him into the old Martz's Ram offense with the weapons like Holt, Bruce, Faulk and Hakim I bet Matt gives Warner a run for his money. Second of all, the only knock on Ryan that I've ever seen--and i think it is a very questionable knock--is his long ball. Yeah there are guys who throw 60 yards in the air better than Matt. Derek Anderson is one. Who would you rather have? But back to the long ball, in reality the NFL is not about consistently making that type of high risk low percentage play anyway. The NFL is built on short and intermediate routes (which Ryan excells at), spreading the ball around (again a Ryan Specialty see his BC days if you don't believe it), and moving the chains. Besides, don't kid yourself, Matty can air the ball out pretty good too.

In fact, i don't know why you're discussion is relevant when you consider the stats that Ryan put up this year. His numbers were impressive, particularly when you consider Turner can't catch a cold, TG is getting long in the tooth and ROddy was his only real threat. So basically with a ball control, one dimensional and full of possession receivers (outside of Roddy) roster Matty Ryan had an excellent season. Flash forward, the Falcons added another playmaker outside of White, HD (if any good should be healthy this year) and added a COP back with hands--let's check the stats and playoff record after this year.