falcon70 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) FACT:Matt Ryan is not way better than I think. Edited May 25, 2011 by falcon70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggerman Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 What would it have mattered if Ryan didn't throw any picks. I mean our defense didn't stop a thing. Its amazing that only the QB is considered ELITE if winning playoff games. Roddy White is an elite receiver yet, he hasn't won a playoff game either. John Abraham, considered elite sans play off wins.You're elite or your'e not. The accolades have NOTHING to do with your ability as a single individual to perform.Trent Dilfer won some play off games and a Superbowl. He must be a first ballot hall of famer. Gotta be. I mean he won in the post season. Didn't have a thing to do with one of the most dominant defenses of all time. Matt Hasselback beat the Saints in the playoffs. He's gotta be elite (rolls eyes)Dan Marino. Never won a superbowl. He must be one of the worst QB's ever. Only Qb's that win superbowls are good.i remember matty ice's first pass against az.............do you? he elitely threw an int.he has 4 int in his 2 games. and a 71 career qb rating in the big games. he aint elite cause he folds like a cheap beach chair in the big games.but if you wanna crown him, then go ahead and crown his ***. regular season messiah. until he proves he can compete and not be a scared lamb in the playoffs I aint gonna let up on the homers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spot On Dtan Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Matt Ryan is actually a lot worse than people may think. If we ever want to win a superbowl, we need to give up anything and everything to bring back MV7 cause Captain checkdown isn't taking us anywhere except to an early summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon70 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 What would it have mattered if Ryan didn't throw any picks. I mean our defense didn't stop a thing. Its amazing that only the QB is considered ELITE if winning playoff games. Roddy White is an elite receiver yet, he hasn't won a playoff game either. John Abraham, considered elite sans play off wins.You're elite or your'e not. The accolades have NOTHING to do with your ability as a single individual to perform.Trent Dilfer won some play off games and a Superbowl. He must be a first ballot hall of famer. Gotta be. I mean he won in the post season. Didn't have a thing to do with one of the most dominant defenses of all time. Matt Hasselback beat the Saints in the playoffs. He's gotta be elite (rolls eyes)Dan Marino. Never won a superbowl. He must be one of the worst QB's ever. Only Qb's that win superbowls are good.If what you say is true, then why in the world are we trading 5 picks for a wide receiver? You know the answer as well as the rest of us.MattyRattic needs as many crutches as he can wrap his arms around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atl/0 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Matt Ryan is actually a lot worse than people may think. If we ever want to win a superbowl, we need to give up anything and everything to bring back MV7 cause Captain checkdown isn't taking us anywhere except to an early summerYou know you done ****** up right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggerman Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 If what you say is true, then why in the world are we trading 5 picks for a wide receiver? You know the answer as well as the rest of us.MattyRattic needs as many crutches as he can wrap his arms around.its all apart of the plan.we are on our 46th year of our 4 year plan.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon70 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 its all apart of the plan.we are on our 46th year of our 4 year plan..........Oh...So that's why the moral victories mean so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 Well it's obvious it's me against the Ryan haters and Vick boys tonight. I'll be up for a couple more hours. Yall bring it on. I'm ready. Ryan is better than most of the QBs out there. Vick included. Any questions? Trigger? 70? Come on. Let's go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaudyshaudback Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Maybe I missed where most of the board thinks he is a bad QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon70 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Well it's obvious it's me against the Ryan haters and Vick boys tonight. I'll be up for a couple more hours. Yall bring it on. I'm ready. Ryan is better than most of the QBs out there. Vick included. Any questions? Trigger? 70? Come on. Let's go.Ok, well...I'm really looking for MattyRattic to "be ready"...Matter of fact it would have been nice if he had been "ready" to put a little more mustard on that out route in the dome last year...You know which out route I'm talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 Maybe I missed where most of the board thinks he is a bad QB.Yeah you might want to try Anything But Football or Talk About The Braves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon70 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Maybe I missed where most of the board thinks he is a bad QB.I think Matt Ryan is a good qb too...I just don't want him starting playoff games for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaudyshaudback Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 No how about I try this thread overreacting to a small amount on this board that don't think Ryan is perfect or a few trolls here and there.Most of the board loves Matt Ryan end of story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon70 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 No how about I try this thread overreacting to a small amount on this board that don't think Ryan is perfect or a few trolls here and there.Most of the board loves Matt Ryan end of story.Maybe not as popular as you think. He barely edged me out in a poll earlier today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 Ok, well...I'm really looking for MattyRattic to "be ready"...Matter of fact it would have been nice if he had been "ready" to put a little more mustard on that out route in the dome last year...You know which out route I'm talking about.Post up Peyton Manning's first two playoff games. Hold up I'll do it for you.Peyton Manning's First Two Playoff Games0 Wins2 Losses33 Total Points49% Completion%421 Passing yards1 Passing TD70.8 Passer RatingLMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 Maybe not as popular as you think. He barely edged me out in a poll earlier today.Buddy is clueless. Trust me.And you are one of the weakest trolls I've seen on this board since ugh, December 2005? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOKER2 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I believe he was voted to the Pro Bowl in 2008 too wasn't he? at least as an alternate as OFFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltstorm2 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 If what you say is true, then why in the world are we trading 5 picks for a wide receiver? You know the answer as well as the rest of us.MattyRattic needs as many crutches as he can wrap his arms around.In 1998 Peyton Manning was drafted. Marvin Harrison 19th selection in first round was already there. In 1998 Indianapolis selects a WR with the first pick in round 2 in Jarome Pathon.In 1999 with the 4th overall pick, Indianapolis selects Edgerrin James. In 2001 with the 30th pick, Indianapolis selects Reggie Wayne.In 2003 with the 23rd pick, Indianapolis selects Dallas Clark.Now which looks like more of a crutchManning RyanHarrison (1st rd 16th pick) White (1st rd 27th pick) Wayne (1st rd 30th pick) Jenkins (1st 29th pick)James (1st rd 4th pick) Turner (FA)Pathon (2nd) Douglas (3rd)Clark (1st) Gonzo (2nd)4 1sts 2 1sts1 2nd (first pick of round) 1 2nd 1 3rd 1 FA2006 Indy used first round pick to draft a running back.2007 Indy used first round pick to draft ANOTHER WR while they already had Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison.2008 Indy used their first pick to draft a center2009 Indy used their first round pick to draft ANOTHER running back.Manning may have turned crap to gold in Collie, and Garcon but if you act like he hasn't had a squad built around him you're crazy.Matt Ryan essentially had Roddy White the last three years. Jenkins is the biggest softy i've ever seen and Gonzo is not stretching the field to beat anyone. Yes you heard that correct. Even though we spent a 2nd on Gonzo, he's not the Gonzo of his youth. Harry Douglas was injured and is just now coming back into things.Matt Ryan is such a good QB, i'm sad you can't see it. Does he make mistakes? Yes. I dont see one QB on NFL.com that didn't throw an INT all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 He has proven that he is a very good quarterback by his regular season performances.To prove that he is a great quarterback he will have to start notching some playoff wins.Got to be careful when saying things like that. Consider this: Peyton Manning, who is perhaps the greatest QB ever, didn't get his first playoff win until 2003 and didn't win the Superbowl until 2006. He was in the league 5 years before a playoff win, and 8 years before winning the Super bowl. To say that Peyton was not great until 03 would be ludicrous.The reason I bring up the Peyton Manning comparison, is because often we, on this mb, compare the Falcons ascension to that of the Patriots. I think the Colts are a much more relevant comparison. What folks forget is that the Pats didn't build their team around Tom Brady. Brady was a fortunate accident. Their team was built and studly, then boom Bledsoe got hurt and suddenly their sixth round backup became the "missing piece." Also, let's not forget that early Brady was a game manager in the early days. The Colts, on the other hand, like the Falcons, drafted a young franchise QB and placed their hopes around him immediately. Like the Falcons they had some young talent, but unlike the Falcons in Ryan's rookie year, the 1998 Colts didn't have enough pieces and finished 6-10 in Mannings' rookie year. But in 1999 the draftees and signings that Polian made were good enough for a 13-3 record and the start of Peyton's regular season dominance. But what is most striking about the two franchises is that both essentially were a mirage of power initially. Yeah, both franchises had pieces in place, but in 2002 for the colts with the arrival of Dungy you saw pieces on both sides of ball being added. Particularly Freeney. But like the 09 and 10 Falcons, the colts added pieces to their defense, while Peyton was the consistent cog in the offense. Now note this, they did not neglect their offense, as Wayne was added in 01. But the key point IMO was the drafting of Dallas Clark in 03. Suddenly the Colts added another key weapon to Peyton's arsenal beyond the wideouts. Sound kinda like the Jones pick? We have TG and Roddy, so is Julio the missing wideout? Is he our Reggie Wayne? But in 06, the colts added a multi-dimensional rb in Joseph Addai. Adding that piece to the offense, and an opportunistic, in their prime defense, was what propelled the Colts to their championship.The way we rebuilt our team is very similar. The difference is that Ryan started with Smith; Peyton was drafted under Mora. But Dungy and Polian built the Colts similar to the way we are building. Start with QB. Give him some weapons--not too many initially. Invest in some fast, athletic defenders. Stick with your schemes and be aggressive. Then keep loading up your franchise QB with even more weapons. Finally it all comes together. The Saints also ascended in a very similar manner. Albeit they signed a FA (Brees) to be their cornerstone.But the whole point is that a QB's greatness is often not predicated upon super bowl wins. Because all QBs need supporting cast. A QB headed into his fourth year, that means as much to his team as Ryan does and has his statistics is in the great category. If we go into his 6th or 7th year and the playoff wins have not materialized, then we question his greatness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon70 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I believe he was voted to the Pro Bowl in 2008 too wasn't he? at least as an alternate as OFFENSIVE ROOKIE OF THE YEAR?Moral...Victory...Somehow this did not seem to ease the pain as I was being rudely escorted out of the Georgia Dome by obnoxious Packer fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Got to be careful when saying things like that..... I'm just stating the obvious.....Unless you have outrageous stats/skills like a Dan Marino you have to have a significant playoff resume to be considered one of the better quarterbacks.I know all about P. Manning's relatively slow start as far as playoff success goes, but the fact is he does have that as part of his history now.....including one Lombardi trophy....(in a year where he was actually very mediocre in the Colts playoff games, strangely enough).This is just what the perception out there is. I'm not even saying that I necessarily agree with it. But it is what it is. Trying to deny or explain it away is kind of pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hybird Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Well it's obvious it's me against the Ryan haters and Vick boys tonight. I'll be up for a couple more hours. Yall bring it on. I'm ready. Ryan is better than most of the QBs out there. Vick included. Any questions? Trigger? 70? Come on. Let's go.Putting it fairly, Ryan is a Good QB with better than average abilities on the field. However, he is a double digit interception guy. With a slow forward moving throw that is relatively easy to read down field pass. He seems to be short on play book plays, since most of the time Ryan hands the ball off to Turner early in games too much instead of stretching the field . As most QB's are rated at playoff wins and losses as with Tony Romo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durrty Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 What? Matt Hasselbeck didn't make the list? O_o*hmph* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted May 25, 2011 Author Share Posted May 25, 2011 ...I know all about P. Manning's relatively slow start as far as playoff success goes, but the fact is he does have that as part of his history now.....including one Lombardi trophy....(in a year where he was actually very mediocre in the Colts playoff games, strangely enough)...Manning was carried to a ring by Dungy's defense. Ironically they were one of worst in the league that year. When the playoff bell rung they went to work. No other playoff defense was on that level. Matt Ryan could use some of that. His defense gave up 78 points in two playoff games and pretty much looked like keystone cops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durrty Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Putting it fairly, Ryan is a Good QB with better than average abilities on the field. However, he is a double digit interception guy. With a slow forward moving throw that is relatively easy to read down field pass. He seems to be short on play book plays, since most of the time Ryan hands the ball off to Turner early in games too much instead of stretching the field . As most QB's are rated at playoff wins and losses as with Tony Romo.Ryan accommodates for his throwing mechanics by anticipating the route and getting the ball out quickly, a rare skill for QBs. Add on the fact that this will only get better once he begins working with the new QB coach too. Also, I'm not a big fan of our ball control offense. I believe it hinders Ryan's ability to be a true field general during games. Hopefully with the added weapons we have now on offense, we'll see that transition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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