youngbloodz Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 That would have been stupid considering we already had Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBlack&Red Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Yeah but unlike Freeman, Matt Ryan is afraid to throw any route over 15 yards or to anyone other than gonzo and whiteWhoa, who are you? Getting a little tired of wanna be Falcon fans bashing the QB. Ryan is methodical, honetly what game did our defense win for us last season? Our D is young to exclude JA55, Uncle Pete, and Babs. So how exactly did we win games? I hate to say it but it was because we had long drives and keep that young D on the sideline. We were not doing that by throwing a bomb and scoring, or throwing a bomb and no1 is even around (Vick) wasting a down. So I rather have a clock managing QB over a 6 play QB and off the field. Let him knock down 7-15 yds a play just less time for the other O to score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon70 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 That would have been stupid considering we already had Matt.You might be right. If we had drafted Josh, this year's draft might have been even worse...It might have cost us 7 picks instead of five just to get rid of matt ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOKER2 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 What is Freeman's record against Atl? Ryan is what, 5-1 vs. Tampa since 2008?That's all I care about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon70 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 (edited) What is Freeman's record against Atl? Ryan is what, 5-1 vs. Tampa since 2008?That's all I care about.Exactly... And that's a problem.The Chicago Bulls swept the Miami Heat this regular season and nobody cares. Why?Because that same bulls squad is about to be unceremoniously removed from the playoffs by that same Miami Heat squad.Thus you and your "regular season messiah"(*) will never be taken seriously until you get up to speed and place your focus and interest where it should be.* Triggerman - 5/24/2011 Say Word Edited May 25, 2011 by falcon70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Exactly... And that's a problem.The Chicago Bulls swept the Miami Heat this regular season and nobody cares. Why?Because that same bulls squad is about to be unceremoniously removed from the playoffs by that same Miami Heat squad.Thus you and your "regular season messiah"* will never be taken seriously until you get up to speed and place your focus and interest where it should be.Dude, go be a Tampa fan, or a Packers fan, go wherever, I don't care. Matt Ryan is our QB, and will be for the next 10 years at least. We have it better than we've ever had it. We are consistent and getting better. Get on board and shut up, or get out. The whining has to stop. QB is the least of our issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jb aka johnnybuc Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I'm still wondering about the "Smarts" thing.Is it really "cerebral" to be afraid to tempt fate by throwing the ball down the field a lot?Is it "cerebral" to have an all pro RB, WR and TE that can run through or in the TE/WR's case, catch everything thrown their way?Freeman, with a rookie WR and RB, upped his teams record from 3-13 the previous season, to 10-6 last season. Once his Oline gels a little more, I think the kid will have a better record than Ryan. Since, apparently, wins are what a qb gets all the credit for. Which is kind of messed up, since not many people put the blame on Ryan's shoulders for those two playoff blunders against the Cardinals and Packers, in '08 and '10.We have a...........BINGO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonFalcFan Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Why Freeman is not nowhere near as good as RyanRyan is 33-13 as a starter - He also has 13 4th Quarter Comebacks or game wining drives 7 last year and has as many wining as Dan Marino threw 3 years the kid on pace for not just H-O-F numbers but to be an All Time GreatFreeman is 13-13 as a starter - He has 7 4th Quarter Comebacks 4 last year and has only beaten 1 team with a winning record. He is also O-4 against the Falcons At the End of the Day Ryan has twice as many Comebacks as Freeman and as many last year as Freeman has in his Career. Ryan also has more than twice as many wins as Freeman and Freeman has only a .500 wining record and his poor play in 09 land them Gerald McCoy this isn't even a debate who's better let Freeman go beat some good teams first and make the playoffs and then maybe they can even match up then we'll see who's betterYour reasoning is flawed. You can bring out the records all you want, but Freeman's rookie year (which impacted his overall record) should have no impact on how we view him as a quarterback now. And you can't really use the career 4th quarter comeback statistic either because, really, that works neither in Ryan's nor Freeman's favor. Ryan has played three years and if you eliminate this past year you'll notice that Ryan had 6 4th quarter comebacks while Freeman had 7. The only leverage your argument has is this past year's comebacks; but those can be misleading and unfair. I think we have the better quarterback, but arguing this really is pointless. Had Freeman played Green Bay and Philadelphia instead of Washington and Detroit, I'm 100% sure that Ryan and Freeman would virtually have the same stats. It's a wash, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasher1116 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Your reasoning is flawed. You can bring out the records all you want, but Freeman's rookie year (which impacted his overall record) should have no impact on how we view him as a quarterback now. And you can't really use the career 4th quarter comeback statistic either because, really, that works neither in Ryan's nor Freeman's favor. Ryan has played three years and if you eliminate this past year you'll notice that Ryan had 6 4th quarter comebacks while Freeman had 7. The only leverage your argument has is this past year's comebacks; but those can be misleading and unfair. I think we have the better quarterback, but arguing this really is pointless. Had Freeman played Green Bay and Philadelphia instead of Washington and Detroit, I'm 100% sure that Ryan and Freeman would virtually have the same stats. It's a wash, really.LOL. Misleading and UNFAIR!!!! Wow, you just now coming to reality that life is not fair, wow.Stats are Stats, like or not, they are what they are.Our OF had 450 snaps on the field last year with a 2 TE, 2 RB, 1 WR set....In the 3 years we have had MM as our OC, we have led the ENTIRE NFL in 2TE, 2RB, 1WR sets....There is no way we are running passing plays out of that offense setup and getting 15+ yard plays.Our OC has hurt Matt and that is a fact...The numbers would be universally greater in Matt's favor, who knows,we may have had a SB ring by now, if we had a OC that had a clue...Let us trade, put Bucs OC on our team, and MM with Freeman....Matt would excel and be the better QB, and Freemanwould be handing the ball off to himself to run the sweep right play.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Right Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Freeman has developed much faster and better than Ryan, and with rookie WRs too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBlack&Red Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Falcon 70, Mr. Right, jb aka johnnybuc, are not only trolls, but bad ones at that, if you are going to troll at least be good at it! geez..:wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodiac Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 I'm still wondering about the "Smarts" thing.Is it really "cerebral" to be afraid to tempt fate by throwing the ball down the field a lot?Is it "cerebral" to have an all pro RB, WR and TE that can run through or in the TE/WR's case, catch everything thrown their way?Freeman, with a rookie WR and RB, upped his teams record from 3-13 the previous season, to 10-6 last season. Once his Oline gels a little more, I think the kid will have a better record than Ryan. Since, apparently, wins are what a qb gets all the credit for. Which is kind of messed up, since not many people put the blame on Ryan's shoulders for those two playoff blunders against the Cardinals and Packers, in '08 and '10.Is it Cerebral to lead you team into FG range when you started the possesion with 18 seconds, make an amazing thow and get out of bounds at 1 second then have you kicker win the thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon70 Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Falcon 70, Mr. Right, jb aka johnnybuc, are not only trolls, but bad ones at that, if you are going to troll at least be good at it! geez..:wacko:Which one of these guys threw a pick six in the dome last year...The truth is out there...And you can't handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodiac Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Which one of these guys threw a pick six in the dome last year...The truth is out there...And you can't handle it.No the truth is you're a vick troll, ffs go be stupid on Phillies boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takeitdown Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Personally I think Ryan is very good at everything, but not necessarily great at anything. He's mobile, but not necessarily scary when he breaks the pocket. He's accruate, but not pinpoint accruate like Rodgers, Brady, or Bradford. I think his intelligence is underutlized in your offense as far as pre-snap reads and audibles, and maybe this year he'll do more of that. Still IMHO the path the Falcons should be following for Superbowl Contention is trying to get as many top notch players as possible, especially on Defense. Your defensive roster right now does not have the potential to be championship caliber even if Ryan plays like Brady, Manning, or Rodgers.The bolded is absolutely correct, and is what they need to focus on. Ryan will never have an elite arm or great escapability. What he's very good at is identifying mismatches and getting rid of the ball very quickly. Thus, they need to supply him with a lot of weapons and let him use them (Good WRs 4 deep, all able to beat man coverage, 2 TE catching threats, 2 RB catching threats.)He's not a playaction/go deep QB. I also agree that several good weapons on offense is going to be important the upcoming couple of years (need a TE to replace Gonzo, and a 2nd TE, need a featureback who is a threat to catch, and need a solid 3/4 receiver to emerge.) Play to his strengths, not his weaknesses.Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takeitdown Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 As to the Freeman/Ryan thing, they're very different QBs. Way more has been asked of Ryan in terms of preplay action, etc.But, if they're in categories...Ryan is in the Peyton type category (though may never be as good.)Freeman is in the Roethlisberger type category (though may never be as good).Those are such different types of players, that it's hard to compare. Freeman extends plays, shrugs off defenders, and is able to make big plays from it. Ryan isn't that mobile, and relies on a quick read of the defense and quick release, meaning he needs a plethora of weapons to utilize, but they don't all have to be great.Either one of these guys (or both) could turn out to be very very good QBs or just solid. That will be determined in the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon70 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 No the truth is you're a vick troll, ffs go be stupid on Phillies boards.tah tah...I need you to watch your conduct...Let's keep it classy ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonFalcFan Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 LOL. Misleading and UNFAIR!!!! Wow, you just now coming to reality that life is not fair, wow.Stats are Stats, like or not, they are what they are.Our OF had 450 snaps on the field last year with a 2 TE, 2 RB, 1 WR set....In the 3 years we have had MM as our OC, we have led the ENTIRE NFL in 2TE, 2RB, 1WR sets....There is no way we are running passing plays out of that offense setup and getting 15+ yard plays.Our OC has hurt Matt and that is a fact...The numbers would be universally greater in Matt's favor, who knows,we may have had a SB ring by now, if we had a OC that had a clue...Let us trade, put Bucs OC on our team, and MM with Freeman....Matt would excel and be the better QB, and Freemanwould be handing the ball off to himself to run the sweep right play....You condescendingly criticize me for stating my opinion very maturely and then you come back with a weak response like that, which obviously contradicts what you had just said (that life isn't fair)? Aren't you quick witted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Falcon 70, Mr. Right, Jiggadonkey, are not only trolls, but bad ones at that, if you are going to troll at least be good at it! geez..:wacko:They have mental issues. I'm almost certain they like the verbal abuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spot On Dtan Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Collinsworth is right. Ryan is terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc-man™® Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Freman> ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Freman> ryanBecause Freeman has beat Ryan soooo many times. Oh wait. Dude get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twoism Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Ryan > Freeman. Agree to it or DIEEEEEEEEE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc-man™® Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Lol yea cuz its not a team sport? Freman is better, ryan is only as good as turner/abraham/white....Understant??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NetGain Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Hello. I have been watching this board and a few other teams in the NFC South for some time. I work for a team in the NFC, however we are no longer recieving paychecks during this lockout. We are usually prohibited to post on these boards, but because we are no longer getting paid this rule doesn't apply for the time being.I scouted both Ryan and Freeman throughout their pro careers thusfar. I have gone through tape after tape breaking them down, watching interviews, even personally talking to them briefly.I will tell you guys something everyone of you know; You all have predetermined notions of who is better, Matty or Josh. Some here are Falcons "Homers" and some are Falcons fans but dont like the direction. I even saw a buc fan or two.The sample size on Josh is basically one season.The sample size on Matty is a bit larger, three seasons.Matty has exceeded expectations every year. Matty also, in my opinion, still hasn't been given the "keys" to the offense yet, not as much as has been perceived publicly. I think this will change this year for him and the team will see fit to let him go out there and be a playmaker. He is a solid top 5-10 QB and he will be for years. I think this year and next he may break into the top 5 for QB's; only if he is put out there to win games.Josh Freeman was put into a tough situation his first year. He immediatly lost his offensive coordinator and was relegated to 4th string QB and got basically no snaps in practice. He went to work in the offseason starting immediatly after the superbowl and put in the work. He had a below average runningback in Carnell Williams for the first 6 games of the year. He had 1 rookie WR starting, a former 7th round pick, and a former practice squad player starting as his corps. His hard work brought the bucs from 3-13 to 10-6 and his TD:INT was 26/6. Josh worked wonders and exceeded all expectations.For me, these QB's are so close in many tangibles. They are smart, leaders, accurate, strong arm to push the ball into a window.The main difference between Matty and Josh is physically. Josh can push defenders off of him. Matty goes down smartly, as to not fumble the ball.I think everyone should watch these two videos for themselves and come up with their own idea. Go into the video with a clean slate, no opinion. You be the judge. If you were starting a franchise, which one would you want? (Remember they are both responsible, accurate, leaders and just as smart).Josh You Decide. I know I have.Mattyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9COk3x-8Vk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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