kane#7 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Everyone must have an opinion that goes against the masses about the Falcons so I thought I'd make a thread so we can see the most popular un-popular opinion.I'll startWeems > HD83Dunta is a better corner than Grimes however Grimes is a better ball-hawk.Turner has MAYBE 1 good year left in him.FA:We won't get Aso i'd be willing to bet on that.Coaches:Our co-ordinators are good and hiding our weaknesses well..E.G. MM couldn't open up the play book too much when we have only 1 real recieving threat.BVG couldn't be aggressive in the GB game because he couldn't rely on his blitzers to bring Rodgers down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I don't think that the ceiling for Matt Ryan is as high as many people do.....I hear the Brady and P.Manning comparisons from time to time....and I get that as far as smarts and leadership goes, but I don't believe that Ryan will ever be in that stratosphere....No great sin in that...what, 95% of QBs in the NFL aren't playing at that level?We can obviously win a lot of games with Ryan.....we might even snag a Lombardi or 2 during his time here, but his lack of physical skills make me think he is just going to continue being a very good quarterback, not a great one.(Waiting for onslaught of negs and slamming...). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metatron360 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 We can't get pressure with our front four and our depth at key positions is weak. Abe goes down end of season kroy goes down we have no other pass rushers to fill his spot. Turner goes down we could lose our season. I would say roddy but we fixed that problem.If we can't maintain our o-line we could be thin there also. This is true for most of our skill positions also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 We can't get pressure with our front four and our depth at key positions is weak. Abe goes down end of season kroy goes down we have no other pass rushers to fill his spot. Turner goes down we could lose our season. I would say roddy but we fixed that problem.If we can't maintain our o-line we could be thin there also. This is true for most of our skill positions also.I agree with this we were so lucky with injuries last year we could be in a lot of trouble if we get a rash of them... (Like any team would)And with Gritz I am not going to neg you I actually agree that Ryan's ceiling isn't Manning or Brady high (Two of the best ever) but he will be very good and will live up to his potential. But I can't see him throwing 50tds in a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borat Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) Turner has lost almost all of his burst (Due to weight or age, I don't know). And Grimes isn't as good as people think he is, he had lots of picks because he was targeted tons. He can't deal with tall, physical receivers at all (I still think he is good though). Edited May 19, 2011 by Borat.Sagdiyev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I honestly think that both of our offensive and defensive schemes are nearly obsolete. I think we have the Defensive talent to be better than we are, and our Offense should be one of the all time greats.I love Smitty as a leader, and wouldn't trade him for the world, I just think he's stuck in the past sometimes. Too focused on stopping the run on D, and running the ball, and ball control in the passing game on offense, and the recent success of the Packers and Ain'ts prove that it's just as important to stop the pass, and be able to quick strike on offense. I think you have to have serious elite talent to run a Cover2 against good QBs these days. I hope I'm wrong, and the Julio trade is a sign that's changed, at least on the offense. we'll see what happens in FA as far as the D goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtybird1989 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Everyone must have an opinion that goes against the masses about the Falcons so I thought I'd make a thread so we can see the most popular un-popular opinion.I'll startWeems > HD83Dunta is a better corner than Grimes however Grimes is a better ball-hawk.Turner has MAYBE 1 good year left in him.FA:We won't get Aso i'd be willing to bet on that.Coaches:Our co-ordinators are good and hiding our weaknesses well..E.G. MM couldn't open up the play book too much when we have only 1 real recieving threat.BVG couldn't be aggressive in the GB game because he couldn't rely on his blitzers to bring Rodgers down.I dissagre with the whole Dunta being better than Grimes. Grimes is not getting the respect he deserves. He may not be great at tackling, But has he ever shyed away from a takle? NO. What im saying is these corners may have more phsical attributes but there is one thing they are missing to compete with Grimes, and that is HEART and Grimes has more HEART than anyone on our team. Just go watch them practice in person and you will think he is the best corner in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Dayum.This is a really good thread, one of the best I have ever seen on here.I almost feel like this is a confessional booth where we can unload our "unpopular opinions" about the Falcons.The thing that kind of freaks me out a little bit is that I haven't read one yet that I actually disagree with. ^^^^Take that back....Just reread some of these. I don't think enough evidence is in yet to say that Weems is better than Douglas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannonballsghost Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I think that our def tackles are as much to blame if not more so for our lack of sacks as the Def ends.....DEs rush and QB just steps up and makes a throwour off scheme is still a good one and I think that MM has done as good a job as could be expected with our talent and having to compensate for our p poor def by using ball control . I 'm not sold on our off line from last year either ......and we gonna lose a couple of those starters this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolUsernameHere Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Well, I'm not exactly sure how everyone else feels. But I really like the older-style Falcons uniforms best. I prefer black jerseys with black helmets and silver pants. Not to say I don't like our current uniforms, I just prefer the older ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvrndzombii Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I think turner is almost done.I think abe is almost done.. I think that there is a serious flaw in the offense... either the scheme,,, or the scheme is designed to hide a very serious flaw and is becoming exposed. my guess is the O line.. but i'd be lying if I said I had not considered it being our QB (highly doubt this after consideration though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotty Ice Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Tony Gonzalez was one of the worst things to happen to our offense. He turned it into a Commodore 64. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 ..... but i'd be lying if I said I had not considered it being our QB (highly doubt this after consideration though)In my weaker moments I have thought the same thing. It always boils down to one of those chicken or egg first arguments:Do we not take more shots down the field because Mularkey prefers a more predictable, grind-it-out style or do we not take more shots down the field because Ryan doesn't have the arm and/or receivers to do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GENERALZOD Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) Let the negative points begin! What has upset me more than anything, and I'm sure there are reasons behind Mike Mularkey's playbook and calling. BUT he will try the same play for the offense 20 times in a row even though it's not working giving the appearance that he's thinking "Ok it might just work this time even though they know what were doing". I would like to see Mularkey mix it up on the play calling a bit more, "CALL A SCREEN PLAY FROM TIME TO TIME". That just drives me crazy, because if I can see some of this stuff being a arm chair QB then I'm sure the opposing teams can see all this stuff too. And it's not just been in one game, it's been in several.To be fair he's been a part of the Falcons continuing improvement over the last 3 years, but it seems like he's a conservative play it safe type of offensive coach. Just my opinion. I guess this is an unpopular opinion. With Julio Jones added to the lineup I hope mularkey doesn't be so conservative and opens up the offense trying new plays. It is crazy to think that a well known "RUN FIRST TEAM" doesn't attempt or try more screen plays as an option. Just my opinion. Edited May 20, 2011 by GAFALCONFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyoshot Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I really have no faith in our defensive line outside of Abraham. I think we need immediate and major upgrades.I agree that Turner has 1 year left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvrndzombii Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Let the negative points begin! What has upset me more than anything, and I'm sure there are reasons behind Mike Mularkey's playbook and calling. BUT he will try the same play for the offense 20 times in a row even though it's not working giving the appearance that he's thinking "Ok it might just work this time even though they know what were doing". I would like to see Mularkey mix it up on the play calling a bit more, "CALL A SCREEN PLAY FROM TIME TO TIME". That just drives me crazy, because if I can see some of this stuff being a arm chair QB then I'm sure the opposing teams can see all this stuff too. And it's not just been in one game, it's been in several.To be fair he's been a part of the Falcons continuing improvement over the last 3 years, but it seems like he's a conservative play it safe type of offensive coach. Just my opinion. I guess this is an unpopular opinion. With Julio Jones added to the lineup I hope mularkey doesn't be so conservative and opens up the offense trying new plays. It is crazy to think that a well known "RUN FIRST TEAM" doesn't attempt or try more screen plays as an option. Just my opinion.reminded me with the screen play comment>i think we dont do screens due to severe impairments on the OL. thats all of the negative from me. back to waiting for some nonfootball!!!! I think our unpaid and uncoached and officially untraining players should have a good shot against all the other unpayed, uncoached, and untraining players in the league that doesn't seem to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane#7 Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 I agree with the screen plays but it does not help that our starting RB can't catch.Also this opinion may not be unpopular but I want our home unis to be our all black ones... it just looks more intimidating.And with our new offense I think we should have Ladies and Gentlemen by Saliva as our entrance music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyCo Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I'm happy the staff wants to win, and are making moves to get the best players available, but I feel like we're heading into Redskin territory, dumping draft picks, and signing known vets to fill needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SugarNips Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Not wearing enough dark visors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamPlayer1 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Every DB is licking his chops to jump the overworked out route to Roddy!I want every or most receivers hit in stride on a 30+ yard pass play.Just once I want to hear the TV announcers say: "Ryan has all day!", (Name any receiver) "He was wide open!!!!"Biermann actually being as good as we think he should.Grimes being 3 inches taller. Dunta Robinson making multiple picks, in a season!Michael Turner showing up slimmer than the Michelin Man and running a sub 6 second 40.The O-line giving Matt Ryan 2 seconds to throw without "LOOK OUT!!" blocks.Harry Douglas actually doing something.Abraham needs the fountain of youth badly. When he goes he will drop like a stone.JA 98 should aspire to play like a good solid 3rd rounder.Everyone knows I'm a homer but these are my fears and feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aria7 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 My un-popular opinions are of the following:HD is overrated.Duanta Robinson is underrated and did not perform as well because of a lack of pass rush.I like Beerman, but I do think he is KINDA overrated.I don't think that Jerry will amount to much, and if he does it will be by the time he is 30 and by then it will already be the slow regress, due to age, of his career.I think the Gonzo trade was not great. I like Gonzo, but I think the price was too steep.Same with Julio. Love the pick but not for all those draft choices. UGGHHH!!!I think Matt Ryan is better than advertised. Same with Grimes, Snelling and Jaquizz.At first I thought the Rodgers picked was foolish, but the more I watch him on tape and hear him speak, the more I like the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USAF HART Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Here's my Un-popular "yet seems popular in this thread" opinions:Michael Turner kills our offense more than not having a legit #2 receiver. When Turner is in the game, the opposing defense doesn't have to use a LB to shadow Turner because he is not going to catch passes out of the backfield. This frees that LB to drop back into coverage and provide either middle of the field zone coverage, or double TG or Michael Jenkins. If Snelling is in the game, it could be a pass, but we don't like to run too many short passes like that, so even then it's no guarantee. This is why I wanted to draft a back like Demarco Murray. He can run between the tackles and catch the ball out of the backfield. I want to see what JR can do, but I don't believe that it's going to change ho w a defense plays us. You will still have the same concept. Turner = Run, JR = Pass. ----------------------The other thing is the timing routes. Throw them out, get rid of them. The Packers picked up on that in a heartbeat and basically sealed our fate in the playoffs before halftime because of the timing out route to Roddy. Just get rid of the timing out route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnasty Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Our coordinators have got to be two of the worst in the league.Jenks should have had more legitimate targets.Grimes's height kills him against any receiver that's 6'0" or better.We have no nickelback. (not giving up on Owens YET) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aria7 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 (edited) Here's my Un-popular "yet seems popular in this thread" opinions:Michael Turner kills our offense more than not having a legit #2 receiver. When Turner is in the game, the opposing defense doesn't have to use a LB to shadow Turner because he is not going to catch passes out of the backfield. This frees that LB to drop back into coverage and provide either middle of the field zone coverage, or double TG or Michael Jenkins. If Snelling is in the game, it could be a pass, but we don't like to run too many short passes like that, so even then it's no guarantee. This is why I wanted to draft a back like Demarco Murray. He can run between the tackles and catch the ball out of the backfield. I want to see what JR can do, but I don't believe that it's going to change ho w a defense plays us. You will still have the same concept. Turner = Run, JR = Pass. ----------------------The other thing is the timing routes. Throw them out, get rid of them. The Packers picked up on that in a heartbeat and basically sealed our fate in the playoffs before halftime because of the timing out route to Roddy. Just get rid of the timing out route.The good news we have potentially 3 backs that can catch - Snelling, Norwood (if he can stay healthy) and Rodgers. I think we are seeing what the depth chart will be when Turner is no longer is a factor.The sad reality is at age 29, most running backs start seriously degressing. I don't like saying it because of how much Turner has meant to the team. But fact is fact. Edited May 20, 2011 by Aria7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I think I took at least 348 negs on these topics:TD is very average at drafting playersSackMakerBaker is a threat to Matt Ryan's healthTurner hasn't lost a stepRyan is locked onto Roddy and TonyGOur Oline can't handle good defensesRyan's deep ball is terribly inaccurateIf Wildwood is healthy please bring him backMM is better than most think. Best Falcon OC in maybe. Ever?Jenkins and Weems definitely need to be targeted moreJerry is a bustBusterson is a....nevermindDeCoud is not as good as many thinkI hate the BBDB. Smitty and BVG love itPete and Lofton are liabilities in coverageIf we don't get sacks from the LDE somebody needs to be firedBoth of our kickers may be FAs. Scary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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