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I love my Atlanta Falcons, but I am over it. I ship for Fort Benning May 31st and was hoping very much to get a good feel for the team about who would be on the team and how things were shaping up because I am essentially going to be unable to learn anything about the team for about four months (even though I will be in Georgia)lol. So I just am going to stop caring, the NFL does not give a **** about us, so why the **** should be care about the NFL. Keeping up with the Falcons was my way to get away from everyday problems. Oh well just wanted to vent, this probably be my last topic for a long time.

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I love my Atlanta Falcons, but I am over it. I ship for Fort Benning May 31st and was hoping very much to get a good feel for the team about who would be on the team and how things were shaping up because I am essentially going to be unable to learn anything about the team for about four months (even though I will be in Georgia)lol. So I just am going to stop caring, the NFL does not give a **** about us, so why the **** should be care about the NFL. Keeping up with the Falcons was my way to get away from everyday problems. Oh well just wanted to vent, this probably be my last topic for a long time.

First of all Thank You for your service. I do have to disagree with you however, the NFL both the players and the owners are only doing what every union and shop/company do every few years. Any time there's a union involved with a given company there's going to be a CBA dance every few years when either party feels like they're not getting their fair share. Now having said that the NFL is on a more global scale than say a local machine shop or even say a UPS or Delta, it's a more juicy story to spin when there's billions being divided up and the employees are grossly overpaid compared to the average "joe".

Personally I think the biggest problem is Unions in general, they once served a very important purpose in our country but they're outdated in 2011 in my personal opinion.

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it's all DeMaurice Smith's fault

I blame him, I blame Goodell, I blame every owner, I blame every player. Including our own players. If at least one owner or player had the balls to stand up and say enough is enough, lets just deal and get back to football. I mean why does everything have to be so dragged out. Lockout started March 11, they should been meeting everyday since everyone coming up with new ideas and suggestions. Two times now the owners have offered a deal, and the players instead of doing a counter offer or being like ok here is what we like and do not like. They just blow it off and do not even respond like **** 12 year olds. This is just pathetic on everyone's part.

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I blame him, I blame Goodell, I blame every owner, I blame every player. Including our own players. If at least one owner or player had the balls to stand up and say enough is enough, lets just deal and get back to football. I mean why does everything have to be so dragged out. Lockout started March 11, they should been meeting everyday since everyone coming up with new ideas and suggestions. Two times now the owners have offered a deal, and the players instead of doing a counter offer or being like ok here is what we like and do not like. They just blow it off and do not even respond like **** 12 year olds. This is just pathetic on everyone's part.

If it were your pay check being affected you might see it a different way.

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If it were your pay check being affected you might see it a different way.

If I were allowed to go up against my company for more revenue in the courts I would feel some sympathy for them. I think its greed on both sides causing this lockout. And I also agree the entire NFL is to blame for making deals with outside companies building up their worth. Of course the players won't like that. So now we, as fans, wait...

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I love my Atlanta Falcons, but I am over it. I ship for Fort Benning May 31st and was hoping very much to get a good feel for the team about who would be on the team and how things were shaping up because I am essentially going to be unable to learn anything about the team for about four months (even though I will be in Georgia)lol. So I just am going to stop caring, the NFL does not give a **** about us, so why the **** should be care about the NFL. Keeping up with the Falcons was my way to get away from everyday problems. Oh well just wanted to vent, this probably be my last topic for a long time.

Dont be like that, we need fans to show support. Keep your head up, a deal will get done. You think your mad, imagine how the players of the game feel. Its just gonna take time.

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If I were allowed to go up against my company for more revenue in the courts I would feel some sympathy for them. I think its greed on both sides causing this lockout. And I also agree the entire NFL is to blame for making deals with outside companies building up their worth. Of course the players won't like that. So now we, as fans, wait...

Again, it's just like any other company out there that has to deal with unions. It's just a dance they all have to do every few years. Other companies make deals to make their net worth bigger. This is all just a big juicy story that's being dragged out in the media, who are blowing every detail out of proportion to draw attention to their outlet. In the end the fans are not truly going to suffer even if the NFL folds completely. Would it stink? Sure. But it is just a form of entertainment. It will all work itself out, it may just be a matter of weeks/months before it happens. CBA's like this are not easy to work out.

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If it were your pay check being affected you might see it a different way.

I might would agree if most of these nfl players did not make more money in 4 months than most people make in a lifetime. What happened to the love of the game? I mean the lead player suit is being filed by brady manning and brees. These guys have millions and millions of dollars. This suit should be coming from the players that are making veteran minimum, but no, those guys do not even have a say in anything. My point is, why not just set down a get a deal done instead of dragging things out for months. That is what I do not understand. You have players that if this season is lost could have played their last down of football i.e. Tony Gonzales, Pat Williams, etc. This whole thing is over 1 billion dollars essentially. The owners want to take 2 billion off the top instead of 1 billion. Why cant they compromise on that, it makes no sense to me. I am just furious out of the whole thing.

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I blame him, I blame Goodell, I blame every owner, I blame every player. Including our own players. If at least one owner or player had the balls to stand up and say enough is enough, lets just deal and get back to football. I mean why does everything have to be so dragged out. Lockout started March 11, they should been meeting everyday since everyone coming up with new ideas and suggestions. Two times now the owners have offered a deal, and the players instead of doing a counter offer or being like ok here is what we like and do not like. They just blow it off and do not even respond like **** 12 year olds. This is just pathetic on everyone's part.

THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO ... BUT TAKE IT. THE NFL

DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THE FANS ... WHO ARE WE ANY WAY?

JUST SOME SUCKERS WHO DUMP THE MILLIONS IN THEIR LAPS.

SOME DAY ..... THE FAN IS GOING TO REBEL ... AND THAT

DAY AIN'T FAR OFF.

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I love my Atlanta Falcons, but I am over it. I ship for Fort Benning May 31st and was hoping very much to get a good feel for the team about who would be on the team and how things were shaping up because I am essentially going to be unable to learn anything about the team for about four months (even though I will be in Georgia)lol. So I just am going to stop caring, the NFL does not give a **** about us, so why the **** should be care about the NFL. Keeping up with the Falcons was my way to get away from everyday problems. Oh well just wanted to vent, this probably be my last topic for a long time.

I thank you for your service to our country as well. The fault lies with both parties as this situation could have been avoided years ago and the level of play will suffer the first few weeks due to players being out of shape.

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THERES NOTHING WE CAN DO ... BUT TAKE IT. THE NFL

DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THE FANS ... WHO ARE WE ANY WAY?

JUST SOME SUCKERS WHO DUMP THE MILLIONS IN THEIR LAPS.

SOME DAY ..... THE FAN IS GOING TO REBEL ... AND THAT

DAY AIN'T FAR OFF.

If the fans could get together and do a few no shows( no cokes or hotdogs or beers) then they would know.But until then they will do us any kind of way... WHO DAT!!!! :ph34r:

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I feel your pain I will be shipping to Fort Jackson on May 25. But it does put your life in perspective of what really matters. Remember its a hobby not a life style. Who the H*** am I kidding football is a life style lol.

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Honestly I don't think anyone is at fault per say, I think the success of the NFL is what's at fault if anything. The NFL has grow quite a bit since the last CBA and now everyone wants a bigger slice of the pie.

I DO think its DeMaurice Smith's and the player's fault: 100%. An owner has the right to pay his employees whatever he feels like, in keeping with federal and state labor laws. Since the players are obviously WAAYYY above labor law minimum standards, those do not really apply.

The players are acting like entitled, spoiled, socialist wanna-be's. If they don't like the MILLIONS OF $$$$$$ the owners are already throwing their way, then they are free to seek employment with their skills elsewhere. They are free to start a league of their own to compete with the NFL. They are free--- to do whatever they want. But the NFL owners should be equally free to do what they want with the teams they own.

If I own a business, there is no way my employees will demand to be paid more than I think they are worth; there is no frikking way I let them see my books.

The players are employees: nothing more. Peon grunts with a specialized skill set: nothing more. The owners own the business, own the checkbooks: nothing less.

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I love my Atlanta Falcons, but I am over it. I ship for Fort Benning May 31st and was hoping very much to get a good feel for the team about who would be on the team and how things were shaping up because I am essentially going to be unable to learn anything about the team for about four months (even though I will be in Georgia)lol. So I just am going to stop caring, the NFL does not give a **** about us, so why the **** should be care about the NFL. Keeping up with the Falcons was my way to get away from everyday problems. Oh well just wanted to vent, this probably be my last topic for a long time.

Thank you for your service, and welcome to my neck of the woods. Go easy downtown, and god bless!

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I feel your pain I will be shipping to Fort Jackson on May 25. But it does put your life in perspective of what really matters. Remember its a hobby not a life style. Who the H*** am I kidding football is a life style lol.

I got a buddy shipping the same day I am for Fort Jackson, he is doing Intel, and I very much agree football is a lifestyle baby lol

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They went too far, and now they can't turn back.

De Smith wanted to make a name for himself, the league actually offered a good amount.

To the players not care about the fans? seriously? so many guys who spend hours signing autographs, doing community and charity work. Are there some who are me me me? yep, but look around your office or regiment to the army boys here. Everyone a nice guy?

It is a sad state of affairs, i die for football, but they have messed this one up big time

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I might would agree if most of these nfl players did not make more money in 4 months than most people make in a lifetime. What happened to the love of the game? I mean the lead player suit is being filed by brady manning and brees. These guys have millions and millions of dollars. This suit should be coming from the players that are making veteran minimum, but no, those guys do not even have a say in anything. My point is, why not just set down a get a deal done instead of dragging things out for months. That is what I do not understand. You have players that if this season is lost could have played their last down of football i.e. Tony Gonzales, Pat Williams, etc. This whole thing is over 1 billion dollars essentially. The owners want to take 2 billion off the top instead of 1 billion. Why cant they compromise on that, it makes no sense to me. I am just furious out of the whole thing.

To your first point, it's a game but it's also a job. The idea of "for the love of the game" leaves fields and courts in little league.

To the second point I highlighted, it's not just over a billion dollars.

I really hate to say this but post like this reeks of someone who just doesn't get it. I'm not going to go as far as to call it uneducated but it does come off as what's essentially wrong with our culture today. The whole premise that is built up in this post about money is just totally wrong. Each individual should be looking out for the best interest of themselves/or their family first, that's exactly what the NFL Owners and Players are doing. It's really none of your business or anyone's business to tell them how to go about doing that financially. To say they have "enough" money is laughable, in a country where a great deal of the population is looking for a handout/something for free, I have no problem with Players and Owners who are EARNING their own money fighting over how they should split it up in the most fair way possible.

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I DO think its DeMaurice Smith's and the player's fault: 100%. An owner has the right to pay his employees whatever he feels like, in keeping with federal and state labor laws. Since the players are obviously WAAYYY above labor law minimum standards, those do not really apply.

The players are acting like entitled, spoiled, socialist wanna-be's. If they don't like the MILLIONS OF $$$$$$ the owners are already throwing their way, then they are free to seek employment with their skills elsewhere. They are free to start a league of their own to compete with the NFL. They are free--- to do whatever they want. But the NFL owners should be equally free to do what they want with the teams they own.

If I own a business, there is no way my employees will demand to be paid more than I think they are worth; there is no frikking way I let them see my books.

The players are employees: nothing more. Peon grunts with a specialized skill set: nothing more. The owners own the business, own the checkbooks: nothing less.

I understand where you're coming from and I agree with some points, however, the players really stopped being employees only when the Owners decided to allow their business to interact with a union. The minute you start dealing with a union in any form your business is forever screwed. Unions were great devices at one point in our countries history but with modern business practices and laws they've become essentially irrelevant for the majority of the country and population. Unions now are great for those who are in them because they offer special job securities and benefits most of us don't have but businesses that started dealing with them decades ago will likely never be able to separate themselves from them unless they completely fold and start a new.

I think what's missing from threads like this is a basic working understanding of what a Union truly is, how ingrained the NFL is with the Players Union and how the two are happy to co-exist again for another few years under a new contract. Business contracts like this are complicated, it's not as simple as dividing up a few million dollars or even a billion or two between a few thousand people. It will get worked out and both parties will be unhappy as they are in most fair business deals and they'll be back at it again in a few seasons.

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Just to make it clear this is why the NFL Players are not just ordinary employees like a majority of us here:

What is a Union?

A union is workers joining together to pursue policies and goals beneficial to one and all. Nothing more, nothing less. In other words, a union is you and your fellow workers, acting in concert to better your everyday working conditions.

A union is what gives the individual worker a voice in decisions and events that directly affect him or her in an undertaking that constitutes a major portion of life, that is, work.

A union allows workers a say in changing workplace conditions and solving workplace problems. With a union contract and grievance procedure to back them up, workers don’t have to suffer in silence or feel that their only option to unacceptable conditions is to quit their jobs.

As a worker, you have a right under federal law to form a union, select representatives of your choice and bargain collectively with your employer. This helps balance the power that employers have over individual employees.

Belonging to a union gives you rights under law that you do not have as an individual. Once you have formed a union, your employer must bargain with you over your wages, hours and working conditions.

http://www.iuoe.org/WhyJoinIUOE/WhatisaUnion/tabid/89/Default.aspx

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