I think by the end of next season you will see......

[Draftnut57]

Have you ever heard the saying , You can not go where you've never been until you do something you've never done? I think this is very true. I believe Weems is the most over rated player in the NFL. And you know I shoot straight. He is the product of great Special team work by our team to open up hugh holes. Just wait until you see what Quizz will do with holes like that.

After we gave up all those picks. It took a while to realize

what really happened and what it cost. But after the draft was over and saw what a great job TD did with the other picks...I love it. I really like all the players we got. I think by the end of this next season you'll see why they went this route. It will all make sense. I think we'll look back and say TD is more of a genius than we thought. The key to all this will be this one thing. If Jones can stay healthy,,That will be the key to this draft being wonderful or a bummer. But Jones plays so hard and with everything he has. He just needs to learn how to play and stay healthy doing it. But like most great Athletes. He don't know how to back off and play less than 100%. But most of your great players that make it to the hall of fame knew how to mash the gas and let off when needed for a long career.

One other thing to remember also is this. WE will have more money for Facy. And by going that route we can take players who have proven themselves. Instead of taking players in the draft where a high % of them can not handle the grind. I'd say over half of all drafted players can't handle the NFL. So the risk although being cheaper in the draft , is only about a 50/50 chance they will even stay.

Don't forget , people were trying to trade up for Dent. WE were offered 2 picks by a team who was wanting our pick and they said afterward that Dent was the player they were wanting. I think he is very underrated as well.And lastly , One of my favorite picks and the one I felt like made this draft was our last pick , ONly reason why we could get a DE Like Cliff with the 230 pick is BC this was the deepest DE class in History. There for letting a 5th round DE fall to us at the end of the draft.. Genious! I think Ciff has what it takes to make it . He has every thing it takes to become a really good DE except for strength. And that can be gotten in a year or two of being put on a workout , What I love most is that ALL the players we draft are high character, hard workers, Team leaders and captains , This is the kind of players it takes to make it in the NFL.

But the bottom line is...You never know if any player can stay healthy. WRs have a better chance of good health than most positions. So to put that many eggs in one basket for a great player... I think the best risk would be in a probowl WR who can help us score a lot of points and keep our D# off the field and fresh.

[chris30277]

I agree with everything you just said. I love the players we added in our draft. I think this draft class is being underrated by a lot of the posters here. I was really high on Jackson and Matthews before the draft, and I thought Dent and Rodgers were both solid too. The only pick that I am not a fan of is the Punter, but time will tell.

[4dabirds]

Have you ever heard the saying , You can not go where you've never been until you do something you've never done? I think this is very true. I believe Weems is the most over rated player in the NFL. And you know I shoot straight. He is the product of great Special team work by our team to open up hugh holes. Just wait until you see what Quizz will do with holes like that.

After we gave up all those picks. It took a while to realize

what really happened and what it cost. But after the draft was over and saw what a great job TD did with the other picks...I love it. I really like all the players we got. I think by the end of this next season you'll see why they went this route. It will all make sense. I think we'll look back and say TD is more of a genius than we thought. The key to all this will be this one thing. If Jones can stay healthy,,That will be the key to this draft being wonderful or a bummer. But Jones plays so hard and with everything he has. He just needs to learn how to play and stay healthy doing it. But like most great Athletes. He don't know how to back off and play less than 100%. But most of your great players that make it to the hall of fame knew how to mash the gas and let off when needed for a long career.

One other thing to remember also is this. WE will have more money for Facy. And by going that route we can take players who have proven themselves. Instead of taking players in the draft where a high % of them can not handle the grind. I'd say over half of all drafted players can't handle the NFL. So the risk although being cheaper in the draft , is only about a 50/50 chance they will even stay.

Don't forget , people were trying to trade up for Dent. WE were offered 2 picks by a team who was wanting our pick and they said afterward that Dent was the player they were wanting. I think he is very underrated as well.And lastly , One of my favorite picks and the one I felt like made this draft was our last pick , ONly reason why we could get a DE Like Cliff with the 230 pick is BC this was the deepest DE class in History. There for letting a 5th round DE fall to us at the end of the draft.. Genious! I think Ciff has what it takes to make it . He has every thing it takes to become a really good DE except for strength. And that can be gotten in a year or two of being put on a workout , What I love most is that ALL the players we draft are high character, hard workers, Team leaders and captains , This is the kind of players it takes to make it in the NFL.

But the bottom line is...You never know if any player can stay healthy. WRs have a better chance of good health than most positions. So to put that many eggs in one basket for a great player... I think the best risk would be in a probowl WR who can help us score a lot of points and keep our D# off the field and fresh.

I don't think Weems is overrated, because I don't see him getting any press that praises him enough to be even rated. Weems is a solid performer who does his job. He gets positive yardage on most of his returns, and he tackles well on KO's.

I too like that TD took a chance. It shows his willingness to do what it takes, and it's great that we have an owner that allows for this to develop. Even if this does not pan out to be a great draft, It shows me that this is an organization that is not going to follow the path of the timid and complacent.

[g-dawg]

I agree with everything you just said. I love the players we added in our draft. I think this draft class is being underrated by a lot of the posters here. I was really high on Jackson and Matthews before the draft, and I thought Dent and Rodgers were both solid too. The only pick that I am not a fan of is the Punter, but time will tell.

agree w/ Draftnut and you as well chris.

I actually wanted to draft a punter - just not the punter we took. After we traded the 2nd and one of our 7th's - I wish we would have just signed one of these college UDFAs. There were three others ranked ahead of Bosher - Chas Henry(Florida), a guy from Iowa Hawkeyes and another guy from Washington State.

With that extra pick, I would have looked at Mark Herzlich - who is a roll-of-the-dice pick because of health issues - but a guy I would bet on making it. I really hope Herzlich does make it - whether with the Falcons or someone else - but he would be a great guy to root for in a Falcons uniform.

[chris30277]

isn't weems a FA? I was hoping that we could trade him for something because I don't see us carrying 6 WR:

1. White

2. Jenkins

3. Jones

4. Douglas

5. Mier

6. Weems

If we were to lose him I would be comfortable with letting Douglas go back to fielding punts.

It shows something about this organization when we can let go of a probowler and look like we upgraded

[capologist]

I'm still not thrilled with the Dent pick and would have much rather taken Virgil Green instead of a punter...

[chris30277]

I'm still not thrilled with the Dent pick and would have much rather taken Virgil Green instead of a punter...

financially it made sense to draft a punter, but I agree. Looks like next year TE will be #1 priority.

[capologist]

financially it made sense to draft a punter, but I agree. Looks like next year TE will be #1 priority.

Financially it made sense to ditch Koenen. I really think we could have signed Bosher as an undrafted guy when we are able. TE will have to be a priority for us unless the team is convinced that Palmer is capable of replacing Tony G...

[Mr. Right]

Have you ever heard the saying , You can not go where you've never been until you do something you've never done? I think this is very true. I believe Weems is the most over rated player in the NFL. And you know I shoot straight. He is the product of great Special team work by our team to open up hugh holes. Just wait until you see what Quizz will do with holes like that.

After we gave up all those picks. It took a while to realize

what really happened and what it cost. But after the draft was over and saw what a great job TD did with the other picks...I love it. I really like all the players we got. I think by the end of this next season you'll see why they went this route. It will all make sense. I think we'll look back and say TD is more of a genius than we thought. The key to all this will be this one thing. If Jones can stay healthy,,That will be the key to this draft being wonderful or a bummer. But Jones plays so hard and with everything he has. He just needs to learn how to play and stay healthy doing it. But like most great Athletes. He don't know how to back off and play less than 100%. But most of your great players that make it to the hall of fame knew how to mash the gas and let off when needed for a long career.

One other thing to remember also is this. WE will have more money for Facy. And by going that route we can take players who have proven themselves. Instead of taking players in the draft where a high % of them can not handle the grind. I'd say over half of all drafted players can't handle the NFL. So the risk although being cheaper in the draft , is only about a 50/50 chance they will even stay.

Don't forget , people were trying to trade up for Dent. WE were offered 2 picks by a team who was wanting our pick and they said afterward that Dent was the player they were wanting. I think he is very underrated as well.And lastly , One of my favorite picks and the one I felt like made this draft was our last pick , ONly reason why we could get a DE Like Cliff with the 230 pick is BC this was the deepest DE class in History. There for letting a 5th round DE fall to us at the end of the draft.. Genious! I think Ciff has what it takes to make it . He has every thing it takes to become a really good DE except for strength. And that can be gotten in a year or two of being put on a workout , What I love most is that ALL the players we draft are high character, hard workers, Team leaders and captains , This is the kind of players it takes to make it in the NFL.

But the bottom line is...You never know if any player can stay healthy. WRs have a better chance of good health than most positions. So to put that many eggs in one basket for a great player... I think the best risk would be in a probowl WR who can help us score a lot of points and keep our D# off the field and fresh.

Albeit costly, drafting Jones was one of the few things Tom has done correctly. As for your comment on Weems, I agree except for one point. While Weems is overrated and an average returner (he does not have the elite speed or quickness that returners should have) one thing that allows him to keep his job is his decision making. As we all know, decision making on returns is about as important if not more important than physical talent. You have to know when to fair catch the ball and when run the ball. You also have to be unfazed with gunners coming straight at you.

Weems does the latter well. He makes the right decisions, although they tend to be conservative because of his lack of physical ability i.e. he fair catches when other returners like Reggie Bush or DeSean Jackson would return it. However, this prevents him from committing turnovers. Less risk, less reward, but more consistency.

What we really need is someone like Devin Hester, who makes the correct decisions and is able to be a home run threat each time.

[vel]

Why get rid of Weems to put another key offensive piece back there? Remember when we put Norwood back there. He got hurt and we lost him for the season. Not when he was a RB but when he was a KR. Leave Weems back there and let him be the KR/PR. He didn't get hurt and made it to the Pro Bowl. Let Quizz and Douglas focus on offense and Weems be the return specialist. We hd 6 WRs last year, why won't we do it again? That is why teams look for versatile players, so they can hold more impact players.

[d#d#d#]

No one knows chit about how this draft is going to turn out! I just LOL when i read rose colored glasses spew like this... TD could look like he is clueless in a couple of years if JJ doesnt become an elite WR. Imagine if he become Jenkins v2! After Jerry blowing his knee and probably not living up to draft status and short arms Baker, this draft WILL be the draft that makes TD a legend or dud for certain...

Draftnut wanted us to draft Vernon Gholston. How did that turn out?

[Knight of God]

Have you ever heard the saying , You can not go where you've never been until you do something you've never done? I think this is very true. I believe Weems is the most over rated player in the NFL. And you know I shoot straight. He is the product of great Special team work by our team to open up hugh holes. Just wait until you see what Quizz will do with holes like that.

After we gave up all those picks. It took a while to realize

what really happened and what it cost. But after the draft was over and saw what a great job TD did with the other picks...I love it. I really like all the players we got. I think by the end of this next season you'll see why they went this route. It will all make sense. I think we'll look back and say TD is more of a genius than we thought. The key to all this will be this one thing. If Jones can stay healthy,,That will be the key to this draft being wonderful or a bummer. But Jones plays so hard and with everything he has. He just needs to learn how to play and stay healthy doing it. But like most great Athletes. He don't know how to back off and play less than 100%. But most of your great players that make it to the hall of fame knew how to mash the gas and let off when needed for a long career.

One other thing to remember also is this. WE will have more money for Facy. And by going that route we can take players who have proven themselves. Instead of taking players in the draft where a high % of them can not handle the grind. I'd say over half of all drafted players can't handle the NFL. So the risk although being cheaper in the draft , is only about a 50/50 chance they will even stay.

Don't forget , people were trying to trade up for Dent. WE were offered 2 picks by a team who was wanting our pick and they said afterward that Dent was the player they were wanting. I think he is very underrated as well.And lastly , One of my favorite picks and the one I felt like made this draft was our last pick , ONly reason why we could get a DE Like Cliff with the 230 pick is BC this was the deepest DE class in History. There for letting a 5th round DE fall to us at the end of the draft.. Genious! I think Ciff has what it takes to make it . He has every thing it takes to become a really good DE except for strength. And that can be gotten in a year or two of being put on a workout , What I love most is that ALL the players we draft are high character, hard workers, Team leaders and captains , This is the kind of players it takes to make it in the NFL.

But the bottom line is...You never know if any player can stay healthy. WRs have a better chance of good health than most positions. So to put that many eggs in one basket for a great player... I think the best risk would be in a probowl WR who can help us score a lot of points and keep our D# off the field and fresh.

This is what I'm talking about. Koenen, Weems, and Nicholas want to ger PAID$$$!!! And probably in a way we can't handle so easily.

[Knight of God]

No one knows chit about how this draft is going to turn out! I just LOL when i read rose colored glasses spew like this... TD could look like he is clueless in a couple of years if JJ doesnt become an elite WR. Imagine if he become Jenkins v2! After Jerry blowing his knee and probably not living up to draft status and short arms Baker, this draft WILL be the draft that makes TD a legend or dud for certain...

Draftnut wanted us to draft Vernon Gholston. How did that turn out?

Not sure how it would have turned out here.

[d#d#d#]

Not sure how it would have turned out here.

Im betting horribly. He has a pea brain when it comes to football intelligence and was the worst work out warrior of all time. The guy made about 40 tackles in 3 seasons. Even an average out of position 'football player' would do better than that, i mean, if you stood still on the feild for 3 seasons, the HB would run into you more times than that!

[Knight of God]

Im betting horribly. He has a pea brain when it comes to football intelligence and was the worst work out warrior of all time. The guy made about 40 tackles in 3 seasons. Even an average out of position 'football player' would do better than that, i mean, if you stood still on the feild for 3 seasons, the HB would run into you more times than that!

Well the stats prove a solid point, but I'm asking another question so lets see if you follow me. He didn't start so the HB ran into him as many times as he was on the field statistically and only by numbers alone. He has measureables that no one on this team has. I'm not saying that I wish he had been drafted, but do you not think that he could be coached up here, moved around, and make a solid impact in our rotation NOW. Let's not look at the past, we're talking right now. He still has fresh legs from lack of PT.

[Mr. Right]

Well the stats prove a solid point, but I'm asking another question so lets see if you follow me. He didn't start so the HB ran into him as many times as he was on the field statistically and only by numbers alone. He has measureables that no one on this team has. I'm not saying that I wish he had been drafted, but do you not think that he could be coached up here, moved around, and make a solid impact in our rotation NOW. Let's not look at the past, we're talking right now. He still has fresh legs from lack of PT.

Simply a product of Ohio State. When your NCAA team is too good, players around you make you look better than you really are. While there are exceptions, star players from powerhouse teams like the old USC or Ohio State are the riskiest. You never know if you are really talented or your teammates make you look talented.

[Draftnut57]

No one knows chit about how this draft is going to turn out! I just LOL when i read rose colored glasses spew like this... TD could look like he is clueless in a couple of years if JJ doesnt become an elite WR. Imagine if he become Jenkins v2! After Jerry blowing his knee and probably not living up to draft status and short arms Baker, this draft WILL be the draft that makes TD a legend or dud for certain...

Draftnut wanted us to draft Vernon Gholston. How did that turn out?

Just shows you don't know what your talking about. I never wanted Gholston. I will tell you what I wanted in that draft. I wanted to trade down and get Joe Flacco and get a boat load of picks with him. Here is exactly what I said. " Matt Ryan is a very good player and I like him but I believe Flacco has a much higher ceiling and in time will sore above Ryan." And I still believe that today. Do I like Ryan? Yes I do but Joe has not reached his potintial. I have never seen a QB that has the natural tools that Flacco has , Strongest arm I've ever seen , Cool as can be at all times. Size and highth is incredable and can run like a deer when he needs to. I like our QB and will back up but his upside has never been that of Flacco. But I have no idea where you come from on the Gholston pick.

[Knight of God]

Simply a product of Ohio State. When your NCAA team is too good, players around you make you look better than you really are. While there are exceptions, star players from powerhouse teams like the old USC or Ohio State are the riskiest. You never know if you are really talented or your teammates make you look talented.

I made sure that my last post wasn't about the past, Friend. I'm talking about right now with our current group.

[Guest whitestain]

Quizz Rodgers is not a kick or punt returner.

He's not taking Weems' job.

[d#d#d#]

Well the stats prove a solid point, but I'm asking another question so lets see if you follow me. He didn't start so the HB ran into him as many times as he was on the field statistically and only by numbers alone. He has measureables that no one on this team has. I'm not saying that I wish he had been drafted, but do you not think that he could be coached up here, moved around, and make a solid impact in our rotation NOW. Let's not look at the past, we're talking right now. He still has fresh legs from lack of PT.

I see where youre going, and id be all for bringing him in to use as a blocking dummy. Facts are facts though, 2 NFL coaches wouldnt put him on the field and one of them is a defensive guru that utilizes all kinds of defensive fronts. Dont you think Rex Ryan of all people would of used him with his hand in the dirt if he was a such menacing 4-3 DE?

When you have a lower tackle count than your jersey number after 3 seasons, things arnt looking up

It will be interesting to see if anyone brings him in and if so if he sticks...

[capologist]

Just shows you don't know what your talking about. I never wanted Gholston. I will tell you what I wanted in that draft. I wanted to trade down and get Joe Flacco and get a boat load of picks with him. Here is exactly what I said. " Matt Ryan is a very good player and I like him but I believe Flacco has a much higher ceiling and in time will sore above Ryan." And I still believe that today. Do I like Ryan? Yes I do but Joe has not reached his potintial. I have never seen a QB that has the natural tools that Flacco has , Strongest arm I've ever seen , Cool as can be at all times. Size and highth is incredable and can run like a deer when he needs to. I like our QB and will back up but his upside has never been that of Flacco. But I have no idea where you come from on the Gholston pick.

Just curious, what's your breakdown on Dent and what he offers?

[d#d#d#]

Just shows you don't know what your talking about. I never wanted Gholston. I will tell you what I wanted in that draft. I wanted to trade down and get Joe Flacco and get a boat load of picks with him. Here is exactly what I said. " Matt Ryan is a very good player and I like him but I believe Flacco has a much higher ceiling and in time will sore above Ryan." And I still believe that today. Do I like Ryan? Yes I do but Joe has not reached his potintial. I have never seen a QB that has the natural tools that Flacco has , Strongest arm I've ever seen , Cool as can be at all times. Size and highth is incredable and can run like a deer when he needs to. I like our QB and will back up but his upside has never been that of Flacco. But I have no idea where you come from on the Gholston pick.

Maybe it was a player from another draft, i cant remember now. I do remember you having in your sig at one time about a player who had the most bench reps as your guy. Anyway, we all 'miss' on guys, that was just a little humor so dont get uptight about it

Im sure your 'reputation' is a lot better than mine around here...

[Draftnut57]

Quizz Rodgers is not a kick or punt returner.

He's not taking Weems' job.

No, I'm not saying he will , but I do think they will let him return some punts and then you will see what a real gifted return man can do .

[Knight of God]

I see where youre going, and id be all for bringing him in to use as a blocking dummy. Facts are facts though, 2 NFL coaches wouldnt put him on the field and one of them is a defensive guru that utilizes all kinds of defensive fronts. Dont you think Rex Ryan of all people would of used him with his hand in the dirt if he was a such menacing 4-3 DE?

When you have a lower tackle count than your jersey number after 3 seasons, things arnt looking up

It will be interesting to see if anyone brings him in and if so if he sticks...

Never said he was menacing. Rex Ryan (I know a lot about him) doesn't coach up much. He expects immediate results as does Mangini. Our staff coaches up.and can make use of a guy.

[Knight of God]

Quizz Rodgers is not a kick or punt returner.

He's not taking Weems' job.

You'd pay Weems top dollar now? Just to KR?