g-dawg Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 It was that easy to debunk and yet not a single NFL team's scouting department did? Odd.Chifalc, if the character was god-awful, he would have fallen to the end of 3rd or early 4th. Generally that is how far character issues drop talented players - it happened two years ago with the Defensive End out of USC drafted by the Vikings. His name escapes me now.....oh yeah, it was Everson Griffen, DE-USC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoTFan Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 We wouldn't have taken Little anyway. Guy has too many character questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draftnut57 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I'd much rather have the draft we got. Little scares me more than any other player with his character issues. If I had to pick one player I think will give more problems in this draft bC of all off field stuff, it would be him. And we absolutely don't need a TE , We have a great 1,2, and 3 TE. Best we have ever had. I would never have waisted a pick on a TE this year. If we had stayed put , The player we should have trade up 4 spots for would have been DE Jordan that NO got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 I'd much rather have the draft we got. Little scares me more than any other player with his character issues. If I had to pick one player I think will give more problems in this draft bC of all off field stuff, it would be him. And we absolutely don't need a TE , We have a great 1,2, and 3 TE. Best we have ever had. I would never have waisted a pick on a TE this year. If we had stayed put , The player we should have trade up 4 spots for would have been DE Jordan that NO got.please list the character concerns, I think I know all of them and don't see why this is such a big issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 #1-27)Gabe Carimi, OT-Wisconsin It was said in Mark Bradley's AJC column today that, in fact, Dimitroff said this would have been the pick given the choices on the board at #27. #2-59)Greg Little, WR-North Carolina I don't know if this would have been the pick or not, however this was the guy that I loved and he has a ton of ability and similiar size, strength, skills to Julio. Ironically, Cleveland took Greg Little at the Falcons #59 old spot. I hope for sake of my sanity that Julio's career dwarfs Greg Little's career. It would not suprise me if Greg Little has a fantastic career - he has the talent. #3-91)Rashad Carmichael,CB-Virginia Tech This guy has a lot of talent and plays the way the Falcons like their corners to play - physical, able to play in zone coverage and off-man coverage. Carmichael is also a ball-hawk who has ball skills and a lot of interceptions #4-124)Jacquizz Rogers,RB-Oregon State Obviously the Falcons took this playmaker a round later but traded up 13 spots in 5th round to get him - therefore I take him here, one round earlier. #5-158)Quan Sturdivant,LB-Nort Carolina Obviously the Falcons liked Akeem Dent better but scouted Quan Sturdivant as well. I cannot assume Dent would have dropped this far but Sturdivant was available at this spot and would have made a good pick #6-192)Virgil Green,TE-Nevada I'm not sure if Gren would have fit in Falcons offense as I don't know if Green could carry out the blocking duties required. Apparently there were some concerns about a micro-fracture surgery on Green's knee from a few years ago and this is why he dropped. Assuming we got him this late, he would be worth the flier with his great talent. #7-209)Andrew Jackson-OG Fresno State Falcons did draft this guy. Mean, nasty offensive guard to develop and eventually replace Harvey Dahl in two years. needs to put on about 10 pounds of muscle. #7-229)Cliff Matthews,DE-South Carolina a "try hard" guy that can play special teams as well. Needs to bulk up about 10 lbs and could develop later into a pass-rushing option. Obviously the Falcons did draft this guy at same position. #7-230)Chas Henry,P-Florida has a booming leg and would easily outperform Michael Koenan for 1/4 of the money which frees up Falcons to get free agents at more needed positions.Awesome. Add in the 1st and 4th rounders we give up in 2012 and it's easy to see that this would have been a better draft, regardless of what JJ does.The message boarders trying to defend TD's trade will be sitting in front of the TV in 2012 twiddling their thumbs during rounds one and four.There's no doubt in my mind that JJ is an upgrade and he will have a stellar career, but there's no way his production will offset the five players we gave up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 Awesome. Add in the 1st and 4th rounders we give up in 2012 and it's easy to see that this would have been a better draft, regardless of what JJ does.The message boarders trying to defend TD's trade will be sitting in front of the TV in 2012 twiddling their thumbs during rounds one and four.There's no doubt in my mind that JJ is an upgrade and he will have a stellar career, but there's no way his production will offset the five players we gave up.well, like I said, today is my last day to discuss this - at least until next year's draft talk - beginning in February. So, for now let's say this:Julio JonesVERSUSGabe Carimi,OT-WisconsinGreg Little,WR-North Carolina4th rounder 2011 (not sure what to count since we still got Quizz)1st rounder 20124th rounder 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takeitdown Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I did a similar thing over in the draft forum.I would have gone 1) Carimi2) Little or Cobb3) Alex Green or Kendall Hunter4) Edmond Gates or Denarius Moore5) Mike Mohamed6) Virgil Green7) same as youor use the 4 for Rashad Carmichael.I'd also be fine taking a TE at 3, Carmichael at 4 and making that same trade for Quizz in 5Either way, you get a lot of value, and can still take a 1st round WR next year.In mine I doubled up on WRs so ONE would work, just because it's critical...but if you don't want to double up, it's easy to get a good WR, RB, TE in 2-4, and an OLB, other in 5,6.I think we would have been better off to go in this direction (and get a vet DE and CB in free agency) but I hope the one we had will be very useful as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Awesome. Add in the 1st and 4th rounders we give up in 2012 and it's easy to see that this would have been a better draft, regardless of what JJ does.The message boarders trying to defend TD's trade will be sitting in front of the TV in 2012 twiddling their thumbs during rounds one and four.There's no doubt in my mind that JJ is an upgrade and he will have a stellar career, but there's no way his production will offset the five players we gave up.YOu really think all five would have been productive members of the team? How often does that actually happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Julio JonesVERSUSGabe Carimi,OT-WisconsinGreg Little,WR-North Carolina4th rounder 2011 (not sure what to count since we still got Quizz)1st rounder 20124th rounder 2012Yikes, it hurts even more when you see it on paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJDM Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 This draft would have made the roster better, but the real draft makes the starters better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 YOu really think all five would have been productive members of the team? How often does that actually happen?Yes sir, 1st, 2nd and 4th rounders are usually productive on a roster.See Ryan, Baker, Lofton, WillyMo, Spoon, Peria, Hawley and Sid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Yes sir, 1st, 2nd and 4th rounders are usually productive on a roster.http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=kluck/wrapup/070425&sportCat=nfl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*TMo* Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 This is a nice looking mock. I love picking offensive linemen. I did like picking a game changer at this point of our roster building though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 Dimitroff confirmed with Mike Florio that if Falcons stuck at #27 and Cameron Jordan and other DE's off the board, they would have taken an offensive tackle there - thus, no explosion pick. Bradley was told the offensive tackle would have been Gabe Carimi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 Wow good draft GDawg. To be honest I think your draft might've been better for us in the long run but I think our real draft has the better impact on the upcoming year. Julio is going to be able to push the other team's defense off Roddy in a way no other player in the draft other than A.J Green could.I'm surprised you'd didn't take any early round DEs,I assume in your mock offseason we'd be going after a Ray Edwards?well, none of the defensive ends worthy of making an impact on Falcons were available by our pick in third round. So, yeah - I think the best thing that Dimitroff did was not reach in a mid-round pick just to say you picked the DE position early. Dimitroff did take Cliff Matthews late who figures to be a good back-up D-End in the NFL and good special teams player with a high motor.Same w/ my draft in that all the decent D-Ends were gone before pick# 59 and #91. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 I like the fact that Dimitroff would have picked a solid player(he revealed) - Gabe Carimi,OT - at #27 rather than reaching for a less-talented prospect at D-End or WR position in the late 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitaman Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 The only problem with Carimi is he projects as a Right Tackle. The experts have less faith in his ability to play Left Tackle than they did about Baker when he was drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Still don't care much for Carimi except his height. We'll forget all about him in 2-3 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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