2 new Mock Drafts, Pleaseantly, suprising?

[Zodiac]

Well fine if no agree to disagree then go tell the FO to change their playbook, cause Jenks fits it like a glove. His receiving numbers as a #3 option (you forgot TG) are very good for the NFL, don't forget he missed games at the beginning.

Agree that Snelling is a #2, but Turner is our #1. And will be for multiple years to come. Our OL didn't play well at all, hence Turners steady decline in yardage. Yet for some reason, he is still considered a top 5 RB in the league. And you want to trade him? Youre right, lets trade Roddy to so we can pick up AJ Green. Good idea right?

What you're saying about Locker could very well be the same thing we say about Luck next year. Moral of the story: you can't decide next year's draft this year. They do have a pool started no doubt, but it is so unsure that they don't decide this year on next year: people stay and people leave. People suck and people don't. Yay Locker. Yay Luck. Yay Newton. Yay Bowers. All top picks who either stayed or were not on the radar last year.

Heh.... Turner averages 4.1 YpC in '10, that was 22/32 of the NFL backs, that's bad, when 21 other NFL starters are getting more YpC than you, it's the true indicator. **** most Backs get about 200-245 Carries a year, Turner has 888 in 2 yearas and half a health one, that's FOUR full years for anyother NFL backs, Turners saving grace jsut might;ve been that injury in '09 since he still has enough tread for this year, but saying for multiple is just ridiculous, and dumbfounding, this year will be his last as a starter for the Atlanta Falcons, Mark My Words.

Yes Jenkins is good for #3 options, but for a #2 that's not going to work I have a feeling it won't translate, remember before 2008 Jenkins was a #1 and #2 option in our offense, he didn't get it done than, why would he get it doen now?

Edited March 22, 2011 by Zodiac

[timco]

Heh.... Turner averages 4.1 YpC in '10, that was 22/32 of the NFL backs, that's bad, when 21 other NFL starters are getting more YpC than you, it's the true indicator. **** most Backs get about 200-245 Carries a year, Turner has 888 in 2 yearas and half a health one, that's FOUR full years for anyother NFL backs, Turners saving grace jsut might;ve been that injury in '09 since he still has enough tread for this year, but saying for multiple is just ridiculous, and dumbfounding, this year will be his last as a starter for the Atlanta Falcons, Mark My Words.

They are marked. And again I disagree. YPC also deals with the OL, as well as the fact that a great deal of other backs were not used near as much and thus not gameplanned for as much. Turner is still a great back. He has shown nothing to say he won't be a started for multiple years. I'll give him 3 more. That coupled with the fact that RB is one of the easiest holes to fill tell me that a RB probably/definitely won't be a 1st rounder unless its outrageous value.

[Zodiac]

They are marked. And again I disagree. YPC also deals with the OL, as well as the fact that a great deal of other backs were not used near as much and thus not gameplanned for as much. Turner is still a great back. He has shown nothing to say he won't be a started for multiple years. I'll give him 3 more. That coupled with the fact that RB is one of the easiest holes to fill tell me that a RB probably/definitely won't be a 1st rounder unless its outrageous value.

Dude, Turner is wering out the tread is running thin, everyone is acknowlding this, Technically our OL is one of the best at run blocking they got holes open for Turner, but he's been used so much that Turner no longer has the initial burst to hit those holes fast enough, it just doesn't happen anymore. and at this current pace turner will most likely end with about 1600 carries in the 3 more years, that's about 8 years for an average NFL RB, and Turner would have accumulated those in 5 1/2. Just face it dude he has 1 more good year left in him.

[timco]

Dude, Turner is wering out the tread is running thin, everyone is acknowlding this, Technically our OL is one of the best at run blocking they got holes open for Turner, but he's been used so much that Turner no longer has the initial burst to hit those holes fast enough, it just doesn't happen anymore. and at this current pace turner will most likely end with about 1600 carries in the 3 more years, that's about 8 years for an average NFL RB, and Turner would have accumulated those in 5 1/2. Just face it dude he has 1 more good year left in him.

His carries are why are FO has said hey want to limit the number, not replace him. He is still a great running back, and the focal point of our offense. He won't get replace just because you want him to. Show me anywhere that our coaches, execs, owner, players, or anyone for that matter besides you have said that Turner needs to be replaced in a year. I haven't heard anything.

[Zodiac]

His carries are why are FO has said hey want to limit the number, not replace him. He is still a great running back, and the focal point of our offense. He won't get replace just because you want him to. Show me anywhere that our coaches, execs, owner, players, or anyone for that matter besides you have said that Turner needs to be replaced in a year. I haven't heard anything.

After this year It's going to be painfully obvious that Turner has very little thread left in him.

[Robb4242]

Well let's start ou with the first one, the 2011 Mock Draft

No FA, there's still a lock out and well, there's no FA if there's still a lock out.

So with no further Adue, here are my picks.

1st. Round, Mikel Leshoure, RB Illinois; 6'0 230 LBs, 4.56 40, well He's not the fastest guy in the world, but he's more than an ample replacement for an aging Turner, and if Turner goes down this year, Which is likely, the last 300+ carry season he had he got injured the next year. He 's also has deceptive quickness and burst, something Turnern lacks, the more and mroe I hear about how TD and Smith say they want to get our offense more explosive within the scheme the more and more I keep coming back to Leshoure (Heheh that rhymed.) His value is jsut way to good to pass up at this point and well, outside of Trent Richardson, who'd we would have to pull a losing season to have a shot at next year and Jason Ford, who at 5'10 235 LBs seems more like a FB, theres no big boy rbs in next years draft. Guess what Leshoure is a proven pass catcher too.

2nd. Randall Cobb , WR Kentucky; 5'10 191, 4.45 Speed; I was really torn between Cobb and Bruce Carter at this pick, believe me I really was. Cobb has grown on me a lot, his impressive pro-day finally sold me that he could be the next Hines Ward, He also has great burst and speed, I watched this guy personally on the sidelines during HS, needless to say we lost that game 63-21, and Alcoa went on to win state for the 4th year in a row. He could be the X-factor our offense needs, he has expierence at QB, WR, and **** RB isn't a stretch for him.

3rd Round. KJ Wright, OLB Ole Miss; 6'3 246 LBs 4.7 speed, Ok Rai you've sold me, I like this guy, better than any other LB in the draft besides Carter at this point. Well in case you haven't notice we have 2 OLBs that will be FA, ones a 35 year old man, the other ones a rotational guy that wants money similar to Michael Boley, aka starter money. Well, that puts us in a predicament, because it's apparent that Nic while a great rotational player, isn't neccesarily worth starter money, and well Peterson is just old, so I guess we give Peterson a 1 year deal and we let Kj. Wright learn, Wright has enough speed to come off the edge in my opinion and is a hard nosed player.

4th Round. TE or NB, TE or NB... NB. Curtis Marsh CB USU; 6'1 197, 4.46. HE's big enough, fast enough, and fluid enough to keep up with Slot guys, well the onlyproblem is he's only played CB for 2 years, he was a RB before that, but give him 1 or 2 years and he should complete our DBs. Really nice value pick here, and adresses a need.

5th Round. Julius Thomas TE Portland St; 6'5 246, 4.63 speed; Let's go through our Tony G. succesor checklist

Played basketball? check, Tall? Check, Playmaker? check, can stretch the field (remember were talking about the Tony G in his prime.) check. the 2011 season is more than likely Tony G's last. I'd love to get a guy like Thomas in ehre for a year and groomed, he could def be another big time TE.

6th Round. Da'rel Scott, RB Maryland' 5'11 215 LBs 4.34 Speed- We need a speed back, so I'd liek you to take a gander at those 3 digts next to the word speed. He could also dual as a kickoff returner, because guys, Teams are eventually going to kick away from Weems.

7th Round. Ricardo "the Rocket" Lockette (Trademarked Zodiac Nicknamed, all rights reserved) WR; Fort Valley St; 6'1 211 LBs 4.35 speed- well we need speed and this guy can run down a line fast, But he's very unexpierenced, BUT ****** HE CAN RUN DOWN A LINE FAST AND THATS WHAT COUNTS, no but really he can run down a line fast, and if we can teach him how to run option routes, and how to get open against 1v1, and not let the db inside of him on deep routes, and if we could get him doing reverses, this will be one **** of a 7th round pick.

7th Round. Dom DeCicco SS Pitt; 6'3 232 4.64 speed- S depth

7th Round. Mark Legree FS Appy St; 6'0 210 LBs 4.49 Speed- More S depth.

Not real thrilled about the 1st round or the 7th round, but the meat of this mock I do like.

I'm on the Cobb bandwagon & think he'd be great value if he dropped to us in the 2nd. Like Rai, I'm also a K.J. Wright fan & think he'd be a good fit here. Marsh is a good pickup in the 4th. Thomas is my 2nd favorite TE in this part of the draft & I've been on record as wanting Scott in the 6th/7th rounds.

Really not too bad overall.

[Robb4242]

After this year It's going to be painfully obvious that Turner has very little thread left in him.

One thing about Turner, I think he can last a year or two past the dreaded 30 mark. He's got a lot of carries the last 3 years, but if we can actually split time with him (something we haven't been able to do the last 2 years because of injuries), I think we can string out his effectiveness. Remember, Turner had 4 years in the league running behind LT, so he have very few overall carries for a 7 year RB. He's averaged 159 carries a year for his 7 years, the vast majority in 2 seasons (710 out of 1116).

[Zodiac]

One thing about Turner, I think he can last a year or two past the dreaded 30 mark. He's got a lot of carries the last 3 years, but if we can actually split time with him (something we haven't been able to do the last 2 years because of injuries), I think we can string out his effectiveness. Remember, Turner had 4 years in the league running behind LT, so he have very few overall carries for a 7 year RB. He's averaged 159 carries a year for his 7 years, the vast majority in 2 seasons (710 out of 1116).

I don't know at this point I Don't think the he wasn't used a lot early on really works anymore, the dude really took the hits and carriers a guy would in the first r years of his career, in the first 2 and 1/2. Like I said that injury in '09 might end up helping Turner in the long run rather than helping him, or we could be talking about a dude who would've accumulated 6 seasons worths of carriers and hits compared to nearly any other staret in the leauge. I just don't see him being able to carry that much of a load, and Snelling looked fragile this year, I wouldn't want to give Scott 1500-150 carries either as fast as he is I don't think he could handle that much work, thats why I want to bring in Leshoure, not only would their be a guy to split carries with Turner, but if Turner went down now we have a guy who has the a floor around Turner's and a Cieling higher than his, and C outside of Trent Richardson there is absolutely no Big Backs in next years draft, unless you want to say Ford, but he is borderline FB at 235 LBs, and not only all the stuff above but that will give Leshoure a year in our system, and he'll probably need it too as we run a lot of different run plays, and formations.

Edited March 22, 2011 by Zodiac

[Zodiac]

Be nice if you guys would give feedback about the 2012 mock asell as teh 2011, also only 1 guy in the 2012 mock is a Juniour or RS soph and that's Taylor 2-7 will all be seniors this upcoming season.

[falconidae]

The mock after round one is fine.

Problems I see with taking a RB in round one.

Only way you take a RB in round one is if he's an elite game changer; if he's that good, he's not making it to 27. If 26 other teams have to wrong about a player for you to pick him, it's not good.

All your arguments for taking a RB apply much more intensely to DE- Abe is 30+, he may slow down this year, and if he slows down or gets injured, the Dline is fubared.

If it does take a DE more than a year to make a contribution, then even more reason to get one now.

RBs have a short shelf life- rather grab an Olineman who'll be there for 10 years.

Problem the last two years hasn't been Turner, it's been Norwood. You can find a Norwood type rounds 3-4. Reduce Turner's carries to 250-275 for the year, and he'll be good for another 2-3 years.

[Zodiac]

The mock after round one is fine.

Problems I see with taking a RB in round one.

Only way you take a RB in round one is if he's an elite game changer; if he's that good, he's not making it to 27. If 26 other teams have to wrong about a player for you to pick him, it's not good.

All your arguments for taking a RB apply much more intensely to DE- Abe is 30+, he may slow down this year, and if he slows down or gets injured, the Dline is fubared.

If it does take a DE more than a year to make a contribution, then even more reason to get one now.]

250-275 would still wear all the tread out this year for Turner, the immediate shock of all these carries in such a short amount of time has worn him down as a such a quicker rate than any other normal RB.n Turner would need to see his carries drop to 15-200 if he were still to have any sort of an impact in 2012. That's true about the DE spot, it's also ture if TOny G or Roddy go down were completely ****** on O, teams will double or triple Roddy and we'd have to rely on Jenks and HD. If Roddy goes down jsut forget it, that's a losing season, if Abe goes down while our DLine might be Fubared, it wouldn't completely destroy teh team would we lose a lot of our pass rush yes, but do we now the Corners who can cover for a long time and in some cases produce a coverage sack or two, yes they did it in '10, adding a good NB to the mix and another Good OLB should Help out the Pass D tremendously, if Abe goes down we might make teh play-offs, we'll still probably have a winning season, but if Tony, Roddy, or Turner if either of those guys goes down, we can just forget about having a winning season, cause we won't be able to score.

That is another reason why offense is so dire, let's not forget while we don't have a game breaker at DE, as much as you guys are going to hate it JA98 does get good pressure sometimes, and if Abe went down we could Plug Jamaal in at his old Position and have Biermann, Davis, and Sidbury rotate, that's what we did in '08 when abe went down for 3 games with that groin and it worked decently.

Let's jsut put it thise way if even 1 of our offensive playmakers goes down, our whole offense shuts down. We have to get guys in here like a LEshoure who can take over for an aging and worn Turner in a year ,and spilt carries in his first year, and **** even take over if Turner gets injured. We need a guy like Randall Cobb, incase Tony or Roddy goes down so we have at elast another playmaker or option on the offense.

Also why draft a DE this year, he'll play on the same level as Biermann and be rotated with Biermann, Biermann will look better cause he truly is better in a rotational role, than everyone will be like why did we draft (insert name here.), ALso a FA DE in 2012 let's say a guy like Ray Edwards or Kiwi becomes avail still youn 27 or 28 and in the middle of their prime, that will be better than the 2nd year guy. Why not wait and sign them. Than draft a 1st round DE in 2012, have hims it under a Year for Abe (I'm guessing Abe will retire when his contract is up which I believe as after 2012.) Sure we could go ahead and draft Abe's replacement this year, but we'd have to sign him to a 6 or 7 year deal for christ sakes, it takes a DE about 3 years to develop I mean look at Charles Johnson, he's going to be stuck on the dpeth chart for the first 2 years, and his contract will expire when he's still developing if it's a 5 year deal, so we just threw down about 23 Mil for 5 years for a DE who we haven't seen develop into the starting role yet. That's why we don't need to draft Abe's replacement or a LDE this year. It makes 0 sense **** it makes Negative sense when you look at the offensive talent in this years draft compared to what we know about next years.

I mean we'd be crazy not to go RB in the first round, when the only Big Back next year is Trent Richardson who is a top 10 pick, Yea sure some guy from Wisconsin will have an amazing season in their big back system, but **** when was the last time one of them did anything in the NFL?

RBs have a short shelf life- rather grab an Olineman who'll be there for 10 years.

Problem the last two years hasn't been Turner, it's been Norwood. You can find a Norwood type rounds 3-4. Reduce Turner's carries to 250-275 for the year, and he'll be good for another 2-3 years.

250-275 would still wear all the tread out this year for Turner, the immediate shock of all these carries in such a short amount of time has worn him down as a such a quicker rate than any other normal RB.n Turner would need to see his carries drop to 15-200 if he were still to have any sort of an impact in 2012. That's true about the DE spot, it's also ture if TOny G or Roddy go down were completely ****** on O, teams will double or triple Roddy and we'd have to rely on Jenks and HD. If Roddy goes down jsut forget it, that's a losing season, if Abe goes down while our DLine might be Fubared, it wouldn't completely destroy teh team would we lose a lot of our pass rush yes, but do we now the Corners who can cover for a long time and in some cases produce a coverage sack or two, yes they did it in '10, adding a good NB to the mix and another Good OLB should Help out the Pass D tremendously, if Abe goes down we might make teh play-offs, we'll still probably have a winning season, but if Tony, Roddy, or Turner if either of those guys goes down, we can just forget about having a winning season, cause we won't be able to score.

That is another reason why offense is so dire, let's not forget while we don't have a game breaker at DE, as much as you guys are going to hate it JA98 does get good pressure sometimes, and if Abe went down we could Plug Jamaal in at his old Position and have Biermann, Davis, and Sidbury rotate, that's what we did in '08 when abe went down for 3 games with that groin and it worked decently.

Let's jsut put it thise way if even 1 of our offensive playmakers goes down, our whole offense shuts down. We have to get guys in here like a LEshoure who can take over for an aging and worn Turner in a year ,and spilt carries in his first year, and **** even take over if Turner gets injured. We need a guy like Randall Cobb, incase Tony or Roddy goes down so we have at elast another playmaker or option on the offense.

Also why draft a DE this year, he'll play on the same level as Biermann and be rotated with Biermann, Biermann will look better cause he truly is better in a rotational role, than everyone will be like why did we draft (insert name here.), ALso a FA DE in 2012 let's say a guy like Ray Edwards or Kiwi becomes avail still youn 27 or 28 and in the middle of their prime, that will be better than the 2nd year guy. Why not wait and sign them. Than draft a 1st round DE in 2012, have hims it under a Year for Abe (I'm guessing Abe will retire when his contract is up which I believe as after 2012.) Sure we could go ahead and draft Abe's replacement this year, but we'd have to sign him to a 6 or 7 year deal for christ sakes, it takes a DE about 3 years to develop I mean look at Charles Johnson, he's going to be stuck on the dpeth chart for the first 2 years, and his contract will expire when he's still developing if it's a 5 year deal, so we just threw down about 23 Mil for 5 years for a DE who we haven't seen develop into the starting role yet. That's why we don't need to draft Abe's replacement or a LDE this year. It makes 0 sense **** it makes Negative sense when you look at the offensive talent in this years draft compared to what we know about next years.

I mean we'd be crazy not to go RB in the first round, when the only Big Back next year is Trent Richardson who is a top 10 pick, Yea sure some guy from Wisconsin will have an amazing season in their big back system, but **** when was the last time one of them did anything in the NFL?

Edited March 22, 2011 by Zodiac

[falconidae]

Well, that was confusing, but you really think JA98 would really make up for Abe going down?

[Zodiac]

Well, that was confusing, but you really think JA98 would really make up for Abe going down?

Yes sorry,been having a issues with the forum lately, but no I didn't say that, argubaly JA98 biggest problem was that he was always close to the QB never fast enough to sack him though, when Biermann came along and acctually convereted those Close to sacks he got the starter job. JA98 isn't better than ABe, there not even in the same galaxy. I don't think it would make up for it, I do think he and a rotation of guys would be able to bandage it. Remember our Offense can keep our defence off the field due to our ball control skills, that's why if one of the Offensive playmakers go down were basically going ot have a losing season, there's really no if ands or buts about it. Our O can Carry our D, Our D can't carry our O.

Edited March 22, 2011 by Zodiac

[Falcon Fanatic]

So what was our record this year without that huge need at DE? I'll let you get back to me on that one.

So what was our record in the playoffs with not pass rush to take Rodgers down? I'll let you get back to me on that one. LOL. Nice try though.

[Zodiac]

So what was our record in the playoffs with not pass rush to take Rodgers down? I'll let you get back to me on that one. LOL. Nice try though.

So yes let's just jump to one conclusion based on one game... Wait the coaching was horrible

**** looks like were gonna have to replace the whole coaching staff

Wait Matt RYan threw 2 Ints, **** it we could do better with John parker Wilson

Wait you mean the offense turned the ball over a total for 4 times, Dear god just cut the whole ******* team and fire the whole staff, this def aint working at all. **** no not one ****in bit.

We had our worst game of the season as a whole against a GB team that was peaking right when the play-offs hit.

Adding a rookie DE wasn't going to prevent that manslaughter, neither would a guy like Peppers... JFC some of youe poeple are so **** hard headed.

Edited March 23, 2011 by Zodiac

[Falcon Fanatic]

So yes let's just jump to one conclusion based on one game... Wait the coaching was horrible

**** looks like were gonna have to replace the whole coaching staff

Wait Matt RYan threw 2 Ints, **** it we could do better with John parker Wilson

Wait you mean the offense turned the ball over a total for 4 times, Dear god just cut the whole ******* team and fire the whole staff, this def aint working at all. **** no not one ****in bit.

We had our worst game of the season as a whole against a GB team that was peaking right when the play-offs hit.

Adding a rookie DE wasn't going to prevent that manslaughter, neither would a guy like Peppers... JFC some of youe poeple are so **** hard headed.

Ten excuses are better than none at all eh? What's a youe poeple? The spell checker is operational to folks who need grammar help.

Hellfire just draft 5 WR's and 2 TE's. That ought to do it <sarcasm/off> Where do youe poeple come from... I mean you people dammit.

[Robb4242]

So what was our record in the playoffs with not pass rush to take Rodgers down? I'll let you get back to me on that one. LOL. Nice try though.

While I do agree with you that we need a DE/pass rush improvement this offseason, I don't think this is a good argument.

You're taking a 1 game snapshot and comparing it to a 16 game seasons where we went 13-3.

How about we were in a 3 way tie for 20th in the league with only 31 sacks. That's less than 2 per game. Only 10 teams were worse than us over the course of the season.

[Zodiac]

While I do agree with you that we need a DE/pass rush improvement this offseason, I don't think this is a good argument.

You're taking a 1 game snapshot and comparing it to a 16 game seasons where we went 13-3.

How about we were in a 3 way tie for 20th in the league with only 31 sacks. That's less than 2 per game. Only 10 teams were worse than us over the course of the season.

Yes, but this was with Babs having a down season, I believe he was injured part of it too, and imagine a fully healthly peria Jerry I think we can crack into the top half of the leauge this year if Abe beasts it again. Those 2 guys should help Biermann as well as after teams might start doubling up a T or Babs or Jerry and maybe try to put a FB on Biermann. Who knows.

[falconidae]

So yes let's just jump to one conclusion based on one game... Wait the coaching was horrible

**** looks like were gonna have to replace the whole coaching staff

Wait Matt RYan threw 2 Ints, **** it we could do better with John parker Wilson

Wait you mean the offense turned the ball over a total for 4 times, Dear god just cut the whole ******* team and fire the whole staff, this def aint working at all. **** no not one ****in bit.

We had our worst game of the season as a whole against a GB team that was peaking right when the play-offs hit.

Adding a rookie DE wasn't going to prevent that manslaughter, neither would a guy like Peppers... JFC some of youe poeple are so **** hard headed.

I don't think anybody who is convinced we don't DE help this year and would be better off drafting Turner's replacement two years early has any right to call others hardheaded:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Again, all your arguments for not drafting DE round one hinge on a lot of "ifs" If Biermann steps up, if Abe stays strong and healthy, if Jerry is the answer at DT, if Sidbury can take the big leap.

Problem is "if" 2-3 of those things don't happen, we'll be screwed again come playoff time- we'll be able to compensate for lack of a pass rush in regular season, playoffs, we'll run into someone like Rogers.

And you keep saying a rookie DE won't help- what you mean is won't get 12 sacks- he'll definitely help- if we had a rookie DE get 5 sacks, that's as much as as LDE since Kerney. That would help.

And if a rookie DE won't contribute much this year, all the more reason to draft one now, while Abe is still effective.

I think this draft should be split between O and D- DE first round, Explosive O player second, then OLB, TE, 3rd down back, WR[ if not taken in second round] in some order then take some flyers in the 6-7 rounds.

Wouldn't mind an Olineman in first if no 1st round worthy DE available, then DE in second, the explosive players on O, and so on.

If FA happens and we get a DE in FA then things change.

[Zodiac]

I don't think anybody who is convinced we don't DE help this year and would be better off drafting Turner's replacement two years early has any right to call others hardheaded:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Again, all your arguments for not drafting DE round one hinge on a lot of "ifs" If Biermann steps up, if Abe stays strong and healthy, if Jerry is the answer at DT, if Sidbury can take the big leap.

Problem is "if" 2-3 of those things don't happen, we'll be screwed again come playoff time- we'll be able to compensate for lack of a pass rush in regular season, playoffs, we'll run into someone like Rogers.

And you keep saying a rookie DE won't help- what you mean is won't get 12 sacks- he'll definitely help- if we had a rookie DE get 5 sacks, that's as much as as LDE since Kerney. That would help.

And if a rookie DE won't contribute much this year, all the more reason to draft one now, while Abe is still effective.

I think this draft should be split between O and D- DE first round, Explosive O player second, then OLB, TE, 3rd down back, WR[ if not taken in second round] in some order then take some flyers in the 6-7 rounds.

Wouldn't mind an Olineman in first if no 1st round worthy DE available, then DE in second, the explosive players on O, and so on.

If FA happens and we get a DE in FA then things change.

Once again,they'll be in a roation the first year make as much impact as Biermann, and guess what theres FA in 2012, O look theirs a guy right in his primes who puts up better #s the this guyw e just drafted. It's pointless to draft a DE this year, also if we draft Abe's replacement in the first round then bench him for 2 years or have him play marginal rotational snaps, than we just payed a guy 10 Mil a year to do marginal rotational stuff. Most picks in the 20s only get 4 year deals, now why would we pay a guy half hsi salary when he won't be starting.

As I said again, we need insurance and playmakers on the offensive side than we do a DE, so what happens if Tony G. , Roddy, or Turner go down, not all 3 but just 1. I'll tell you what our offense loses all momentum and we can't score, A rookie DE sure as **** isn't going to enable the Defence to be able to carry the O. If we improve the O and make it even more dynamic, add a good NB and a good Pash Rushing OLB (who can also cover.) than not only will our defence improve, as we should finally have a healthy Jerry too, and Babs should be healthy again. **** we just added a Hines Ward like reciever, a fast as **** RB, another good TE, and Turner's future replacement/insurance/carry spliter. O yea I also got us a guy who can run down a line very very fast. I mean we can go DE in the first round, but if we lose Turner, Roddy, or Tony. G (If we lose 2/3 guys we'll have a top 10 pick in 2012, if we lose all 3 we might be picking #1 overall) If we lose just 1 I guess we might have a bad enough season to get Trent Richardson. Idk, but seriously this DE stuff has got to stop.

Also we already adressed the G **** last year, I'm pertty sure TD won't let over half the Oline leave either.

Edited March 23, 2011 by Zodiac

[falconidae]

Once again,they'll be in a roation the first year make as much impact as Biermann, and guess what theres FA in 2012, O look theirs a guy right in his primes who puts up better #s the this guyw e just drafted. It's pointless to draft a DE this year, also if we draft Abe's replacement in the first round then bench him for 2 years or have him play marginal rotational snaps, than we just payed a guy 10 Mil a year to do marginal rotational stuff. Most picks in the 20s only get 4 year deals, now why would we pay a guy half hsi salary when he won't be starting.

As I said again, we need insurance and playmakers on the offensive side than we do a DE, so what happens if Tony G. , Roddy, or Turner go down, not all 3 but just 1. I'll tell you what our offense loses all momentum and we can't score, A rookie DE sure as **** isn't going to enable the Defence to be able to carry the O. If we improve the O and make it even more dynamic, add a good NB and a good Pash Rushing OLB (who can also cover.) than not only will our defence improve, as we should finally have a healthy Jerry too, and Babs should be healthy again. **** we just added a Hines Ward like reciever, a fast as **** RB, another good TE, and Turner's future replacement/insurance/carry spliter. O yea I also got us a guy who can run down a line very very fast. I mean we can go DE in the first round, but if we lose Turner, Roddy, or Tony. G (If we lose 2/3 guys we'll have a top 10 pick in 2012, if we lose all 3 we might be picking #1 overall) If we lose just 1 I guess we might have a bad enough season to get Trent Richardson. Idk, but seriously this DE stuff has got to stop.

Also we already adressed the G **** last year, I'm pertty sure TD won't let over half the Oline leave either.

Were just going to have to agree to disagree. I understand your reasoning, just don't agree with it. We'll see on draft night.