3/19/11 2 round mock from Frank Croyle

[Robb4242]

Frank Croyle, IMO, is the one of the absolute best at evaluating players on the internet. He's much better than any of the "TV" scouts and is frequently consulted by several NFL teams each year. He doesn't always do very good mock drafts because he tends to go more on rating than team needs at times, but I think this one is extremely good.

First Round

1 Carolina - 2-14 - * Da'Quan Bowers - DE - Clemson

2 Denver - 4-12 - * Nick Fairley - DT - Auburn

3 Buffalo - 4-12 - * Marcell Dareus - DE - Alabama

4 Cincinnati - 4-12 - * Patrick Peterson - CB - LSU

5 Arizona - 5-11 - Von Miller - LB - Texas A&M

6 Cleveland - 5-11 - * A.J. Green - WR - Georgia

7 San Fran - 6-10 - * Blaine Gabbert - QB - Missouri

8 Tennessee - 6-10 - * Cam Newton - QB - Auburn

9 Dallas - 6-10 - Prince Amukamara - CB - Nebraska

10 Washington - 6-10 - Jake Locker - QB - Washington

11 Houston - 6-10 - * Julio Jones - WR - Alabama

12 Minnesota - 6-10 - * Robert Quinn - DE - North Carolina

13 Detroit - 6-10 - Cameron Jordan - DE - California

14 St. Louis - 7-9 - * Aldon Smith - DE - Missouri

15 Miami - 7-9 - * J.J. Watt - DE - Wisconsin

16 Jacksonville - 8-8 - Ryan Kerrigan - DE - Purdue

17 New Eng (Oak) - 8-8 - Adrian Clayborn - DE - Iowa

18 San Diego - 9-7 - Anthony Castonzo - OT - Boston College

19 NY Giants - 10-6 - * Muhammad Wilkerson - DT - Temple

20 Tampa Bay - 10-6 - * Brandon Harris - CB - Miami (Fl)

21 Kansas City - 10-6 - * Tyron Smith - OT - Southern Cal

22 Indianapolis - 10-6 - Nate Solder - OT - Colorado

23 Philadelphia - 10-6 - Jimmy Smith - CB - Colorado

24 New Orleans - 12-4 - * Corey Liuget - DT - Illinois

25 Seattle - 7-9 - * Ryan Mallett - QB - Arkansas

26 Baltimore - 12-4 - * Justin Houston - LB - Georgia

27 Atlanta - 13-3 - * Aaron Williams - CB - Texas

28 New England - 14-2 - * Mark Ingram - RB - Alabama

29 Chicago - 11-5 - Gabe Carimi - OT - Wisconsin

30 NY Jets - 11-5 - Phil Taylor - DT - Baylor

31 Pittsburgh - 12-4 - Mike Pouncey - OC - Florida

32 Green Bay - 10-6 - * Akeem Ayers - LB - UCLA

2nd Round

33 New Eng (Carolina) - Derek Sherrod - OT - Mississippi St

34 Buffalo - Colin Kaepernick - QB - Nevada

35 Cincinnati - Stephen Paea - DT - Oregon St

36 Denver - * Martez Wilson - LB - Illinois

37 Cleveland - Cameron Heyward - DE - Ohio St

38 Arizona - Christian Ponder - QB - Florida St

39 Tennessee - Christian Ballard - DL - Iowa

40 Dallas - Danny Watkins - OG - Baylor

41 Washington - * Torrey Smith - WR - Maryland

42 Houston - * Rahim Moore - S - UCLA

43 Minnesota - Titus Young - WR - Boise St

44 Detroit - Sam Acho - LB - Texas

45 San Francisco - * Jon Baldwin - WR - Pittsburgh

46 Denver (Miami) - * Brandon Burton - CB - Utah

47 St. Louis - Leonard Hankerson - WR - Miami (Fl)

48 Oakland - Allen Bailey - DE - Miami (Fl)

49 Jacksonville - Quinton Carter - S - Oklahoma

50 San Diego - * Kyle Rudolph - TE - Notre Dame

51 Tampa Bay - Drake Nevis - DT - LSU

52 NY Giants - Bruce Carter - LB - North Carolina

53 Indianapolis - Curtis Brown - CB - Texas

54 Philadelphia - Stefen Wisniewski - OC - Penn St

55 Kansas City - * Greg Little - WR - North Carolina

56 New Orleans - Jerrel Jernigan - WR - Troy

57 Seattle - * Mikel Leshoure - RB - Illinois

58 Baltimore - * Randall Cobb - WR - Kentucky

59 Atlanta - Benjamin Ijalana - OT - Villanova (Pa.)

60 New England - Dontay Moch - LB - Nevada

61 San Diego (NY Jets) - Ras-I Dowling - CB - Virginia

62 Chicago - * Jurrell Casey - DT - Southern Cal

63 Pittsburgh - Marcus Cannon - OT - TCU

64 Green Bay - Jarvis Jenkins - DL - Clemson

[prov1playa630]

Looks good but I think the Falcons would take Ryan Williams RB VA Tech if he's there in the 2nd.

[coachx]

****, he has Houston going 1 pick ahead of us to Balitmore.

I don't like either pick too much.

I hear Mayock call Williams a CB/FS tweener. I know we need a nickle back but I don't think we need to draft a CB in Round #1.

Every team needs OT depth.....I can live with that pick.

That 2nd round looks loaded with talent. I hope we can trade down and get a low 2nd and 4th roudner for #27.

[blizzard_falcon]

****, he has Houston going 1 pick ahead of us to Balitmore.

I don't like either pick too much.

I hear Mayock call Williams a CB/FS tweener. I know we need a nickle back but I don't think we need to draft a CB in Round #1.

Every team needs OT depth.....I can live with that pick.

That 2nd round looks loaded with talent. I hope we can trade down and get a low 2nd and 4th roudner for #27.

I agree, but for #27 I think we should be asking a 2nd and a 3rd, at least. Reading over the post atljbo posted up in this forum, I think we should hassle San Diego and try to get their two 2nd round picks... the trade value is about equal.

[vafalconfan]

Don't care much for this draft for the Falcons. Where's the pass rush and speedy wide receiver? Also Tenn taking Cam Newton?..after the Vince Young fiasco would they take another project QB like Newton? I think their fanbase would revolt!

[Robb4242]

Don't care much for this draft for the Falcons. Where's the pass rush and speedy wide receiver? Also Tenn taking Cam Newton?..after the Vince Young fiasco would they take another project QB like Newton? I think their fanbase would revolt!

For the Falcons, true, those 2 needs are not addressed, but 2 other needs are. In the scenario presented, there isn't a DE pass rusher that's a fit. Same goes for a WR. So in order to get value at positions of need, those 2 picks do make sense. I would much prefer the 2 players he has going to Baltimore to both slip 1 more pick.

A speedy receiver could be had in the 3rd or 4th rounds, there is some value there for receivers, and they are more likely to be around at our picks. The pass rusher is going to be a little more difficult to acquire after the 1st round, although there are still a few possibilities out there.

[dmo_dlo]

12-17 looks like a DE black hole!!

Edited March 21, 2011 by dmo_dlo

[etherdome]

I have seen several mocks that have the Ravens basically blowing our draft to pieces. In this mock, they take Justin Houston and Randall Cobb one pick ahead of us.

[Mr Pickle1]

If this happens, we fail the draft. It this situation, you preferably try to trade back. Failing that, you take the bpa. At that point, I'd take Mark Ingram and Brooks Reed, and hope to score a WR in FA.

Turd of a way for the draft to fall...hope he's wrong.

[MSalmon]

For the Falcons, true, those 2 needs are not addressed, but 2 other needs are. In the scenario presented, there isn't a DE pass rusher that's a fit. Same goes for a WR. So in order to get value at positions of need, those 2 picks do make sense. I would much prefer the 2 players he has going to Baltimore to both slip 1 more pick.

A speedy receiver could be had in the 3rd or 4th rounds, there is some value there for receivers, and they are more likely to be around at our picks. The pass rusher is going to be a little more difficult to acquire after the 1st round, although there are still a few possibilities out there.

I normally agree pretty much with everything you say, but on this one we differ a bit. In the scenario presented there is great value at OT with the first pick with Derrick Sherrod and Gabe Carimi on board. Also there is great value at OG/OC in Pouncey. Rather than grabbing a tweener S/CB. Also, I noticed Mark Ingram is on the board. Call me crazy, but do we let him pass? Turner is 30 and had a lot of wear and tear. Also on the WR pick, is it really reaching to grab a Hankerson Or Torrey Smith with the #27 pick?

How bout this for a scenario, we are flabbergasted that Carimi is on the board and we say cya to Clabo, grab Carimi and then move up in the second and "reach" for Jernigan...Or here's another scenario, we go "Jeez" Ingram is there, and we love to run the ball, and the kid can catch and he's BPA. We grab him. Then move up in the second to grab Bruce Carter. OLB is a definite need and he provides pass rush as well. Either scenario we grab Matt a nice weapon early on, instead of hopeful late round guys. I actually like the idea of Ingram and Carter--help for both sides.

I'm not saying that we won't grab a cb in this draft, but i'm not so sure that the falcons are that displeased with our current roster guys. And Williams just looks like a FS waiting to happen.

Again, your points are valid, we just disagree

[timco]

I normally agree pretty much with everything you say, but on this one we differ a bit. In the scenario presented there is great value at OT with the first pick with Derrick Sherrod and Gabe Carimi on board. Also there is great value at OG/OC in Pouncey. Rather than grabbing a tweener S/CB. Also, I noticed Mark Ingram is on the board. Call me crazy, but do we let him pass? Turner is 30 and had a lot of wear and tear. Also on the WR pick, is it really reaching to grab a Hankerson Or Torrey Smith with the #27 pick?

How bout this for a scenario, we are flabbergasted that Carimi is on the board and we say cya to Clabo, grab Carimi and then move up in the second and "reach" for Jernigan...Or here's another scenario, we go "Jeez" Ingram is there, and we love to run the ball, and the kid can catch and he's BPA. We grab him. Then move up in the second to grab Bruce Carter. OLB is a definite need and he provides pass rush as well. Either scenario we grab Matt a nice weapon early on, instead of hopeful late round guys. I actually like the idea of Ingram and Carter--help for both sides.

I'm not saying that we won't grab a cb in this draft, but i'm not so sure that the falcons are that displeased with our current roster guys. And Williams just looks like a FS waiting to happen.

Again, your points are valid, we just disagree

Agree with this.

Although we don't need a RB that much in my opinion, there comes a point when talent is great. I would prefer carimi to Williams too. A tweener normally means that he won't be an excellent corner. That and I feel like a 1st round pick should always be a starter sometime during the season. If we draft Williams, he won't be a starter because we have both Grimes and Robinson.

One might argue that you need three starting cornerbacks, but I would argue that there is more talent and more pressing needs on the board.

[Robb4242]

I normally agree pretty much with everything you say, but on this one we differ a bit. In the scenario presented there is great value at OT with the first pick with Derrick Sherrod and Gabe Carimi on board. Also there is great value at OG/OC in Pouncey. Rather than grabbing a tweener S/CB. Also, I noticed Mark Ingram is on the board. Call me crazy, but do we let him pass? Turner is 30 and had a lot of wear and tear. Also on the WR pick, is it really reaching to grab a Hankerson Or Torrey Smith with the #27 pick?

How bout this for a scenario, we are flabbergasted that Carimi is on the board and we say cya to Clabo, grab Carimi and then move up in the second and "reach" for Jernigan...Or here's another scenario, we go "Jeez" Ingram is there, and we love to run the ball, and the kid can catch and he's BPA. We grab him. Then move up in the second to grab Bruce Carter. OLB is a definite need and he provides pass rush as well. Either scenario we grab Matt a nice weapon early on, instead of hopeful late round guys. I actually like the idea of Ingram and Carter--help for both sides.

I'm not saying that we won't grab a cb in this draft, but i'm not so sure that the falcons are that displeased with our current roster guys. And Williams just looks like a FS waiting to happen.

Again, your points are valid, we just disagree

It's going to be very hard to disappoint me with a 1st round OL pick, so I'd be happy with Camri or Sherrod.

I do think that both Hankerson & Smith are too big of a reach at #27. But there is a lot of good WR value in round 2 and both should go mid-to-early 2nd. I'm not a big Jernigan fan though & I wouldn't touch him, primarily because short WRs drive me nuts. Just a personal thing there.

The Ingram/Carter scenario is a nice wet dream scenario. I don't think that RB is that big of a need, but to get Ingram at 27 would be great value IMO. As for Carter, I would LOVE to have him in any scenario in the 2nd round.

I hope I didn't give the wrong impression in the original post. I said it was extremely good, I meant the mock as a whole, from pick 1 - 64. Players all up & down the mock are right in the areas pretty close to where I think they should be going. Would I personally do things a little different from a Falcons perspective, probably, although I do see the logic in the picks that were made for us.

[The Great American]

I haven't seen a mock with Da'Quan Bowers at #1 in some time. And where's Brroks Reed? I'd be shocked if Reed made it into the third round ... he might not make it out of the first.

[MSalmon]

It's going to be very hard to disappoint me with a 1st round OL pick, so I'd be happy with Camri or Sherrod.

I do think that both Hankerson & Smith are too big of a reach at #27. But there is a lot of good WR value in round 2 and both should go mid-to-early 2nd. I'm not a big Jernigan fan though & I wouldn't touch him, primarily because short WRs drive me nuts. Just a personal thing there.

The Ingram/Carter scenario is a nice wet dream scenario. I don't think that RB is that big of a need, but to get Ingram at 27 would be great value IMO. As for Carter, I would LOVE to have him in any scenario in the 2nd round.

I hope I didn't give the wrong impression in the original post. I said it was extremely good, I meant the mock as a whole, from pick 1 - 64. Players all up & down the mock are right in the areas pretty close to where I think they should be going. Would I personally do things a little different from a Falcons perspective, probably, although I do see the logic in the picks that were made for us.

LOL great response. I gave you a plus 1! Getting Ingram and Carter would rate as my favorite Falcon draft ever before they even played a down! I haven't heard anything linking the Falcons with Carimi or Sherrod as of late. I agree that the overall draft was pretty good. I also think that from the outside looking in (we all are huge fans and watch all games) cb looks more a need than what it really is. Particularly if you saw the horrid playoff game!

[blizzard_falcon]

I haven't seen a mock with Da'Quan Bowers at #1 in some time. And where's Brroks Reed? I'd be shocked if Reed made it into the third round ... he might not make it out of the first.

Definitely. This mock seems out of date to me, honestly.

I agree with an earlier poster that if the draft shook out this way for some reason, we should grab Ingram and Reed and then just go after Rice/Edwards/Holmes/Floyd in free agency.