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I really thought thy when he came here the first thing he fixed would be the defense. He had a great defense in Jacksonville and helped with the ravens super bowl winning defense. I'm not complaining just suprised. I thought we would be winning those 10-7 games. I'm happy our offense is great. And in a way TD really made his mark on our team

Fixing the offense so fast. I know the defense will be great in the next year or two. Give it some time.

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He brought in Michael Turner and Matt Ryan. That got the job done because there was already (untapped) talent on the O-line and in Roddy.

The defense has added Peria Jerry, William Moore, Sean Weatherspoon, Mike Peterson, Dunta Robinson, Corey Peters and other rotational players and it still isn't fixed. He is trying, but these players (while solid when healthy) don't seem to be the right unit. Could be a scheme problem, could be playcalling, or one huge hole could just be making it that much harder for the rest of the squad.

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The Ravens hired Brian Billick thinking he would recreate the 98 Vikings offense. Sometimes it doesn't work out.

Mike is a fundmentals coach. I don't see him as a guru type. He knows what it takes to win. He's a great coach because he can tow the fine line between discipline and being a player's guy. That's why if we we don't improve dramatically, I'd like to see him get new coordinators that can change things up. We need a little more imagination on this staff.

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Well the Falcons defense has given up less points since he's been here than any other 3 seasons in franchise history (16 game schedule).

What happened last Saturday was ugly, but it shouldn't be the sole measure of this young defense.

There were several on here arguing that Brian Williams was washed up prior to the start of the season,

and recently there have been the same ramblings about Peterson.

My thing is that when the young guys need a breather and or a special package put in,

there is nothing more valuable than a crafty old veteran that knows how to diagnose the play.

2008 3rd and 16 was not that type of play.

That situation requires Speed, but we had to play the best we had at that time.

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Until this year, our issues at CB were basicly insurmountable. I won't start dredging up the specifics, but even great defenses can't cover up for the level of play we were getting at that position. Needless to say, expectations are higher now.

I completely agree.

At least as of now we are 2 or 3 players away from being fixed at DB.

Since nobody is talking about the extent of Williams recent injury, it

is my opinion that his days in the NFL are over.

This is where TD goes out and finds another crafty vet at CB who has

decent knees and Draft one too.

I would also be looking for another Safety.

We also need to sign a good FA at DE and draft another DT.

Add in another Threat at WR from the FA pool and I will be happy.

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What Jags fan think of Mike Smith's defenses.

Thanks.

Boy does this sound familiar:

"Ahh, the old Mike Smith myth...

This tends to surface every 5-6 months on this message board. Its always good for a chuckle.

Bottom line is, the Jags defense as pointed out, was already in decline under Mike Smith in 2007, as well as the Jags defense under Smith is the same basic soft zone crap that Del Ro runs. The Jags (under the JDR regime) philosophically are NOT a heavy blitzing team, and generally just sit in a basic soft zone and the success or lack thereof is dictated by the Jags personnel, as well as the oppenent's."

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Eerily familiar with what is occurring here! sad.gif

UH, no it's not. The Falcons defense hasn't been getting older, it's been getting younger every year.....and better too.

As for the comment that the one poster saying that in the end it comes down to personnel...well duh....that's the case with every defense in the history of mankind.

**** Lebeau might be the greatest DC of all time, but when he went to Cincinnati, his defense wasn't good. They didn't have the organizational structure that constantly provides talent, the way the Steelers do.

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Thanks.

Boy does this sound familiar:

"Ahh, the old Mike Smith myth...

This tends to surface every 5-6 months on this message board. Its always good for a chuckle.

Bottom line is, the Jags defense as pointed out, was already in decline under Mike Smith in 2007, as well as the Jags defense under Smith is the same basic soft zone crap that Del Ro runs. The Jags (under the JDR regime) philosophically are NOT a heavy blitzing team, and generally just sit in a basic soft zone and the success or lack thereof is dictated by the Jags personnel, as well as the oppenent's."

"The last two drafts have literally given them nothing." Interesting what you see when the 'homerism' lens come off.

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I defense is improving, we have been good against the run the past two years. We improved in turnovers and pass defense. Our defense play well at times, the biggest problem has been against 4 and 5 wide sets. we need to improve our depth at the corner position. We also need to work on finishing the play, Against the Saints and Packers there was a total of 10 or more sacks missed. The Green Bay was closer than the score indicated. On every Greenbay drive we had a chance to bring down Rodgers and on one drive we sacked Rodgers but Owens got a penalty twice on that same drive. We have a young defense, we just need a few more pieces.

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I really thought thy when he came here the first thing he fixed would be the defense. He had a great defense in Jacksonville and helped with the ravens super bowl winning defense. I'm not complaining just suprised. I thought we would be winning those 10-7 games. I'm happy our offense is great. And in a way TD really made his mark on our team

Fixing the offense so fast. I know the defense will be great in the next year or two. Give it some time.

<<<< There not much talent on our defense. our CB are average at best. We got very good coaches we just need better talent..TD needs to get better players. TD has been average at best on drafting players..He needs to step up ASAP..

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I really thought thy when he came here the first thing he fixed would be the defense. He had a great defense in Jacksonville and helped with the ravens super bowl winning defense. I'm not complaining just suprised. I thought we would be winning those 10-7 games. I'm happy our offense is great. And in a way TD really made his mark on our team

Fixing the offense so fast. I know the defense will be great in the next year or two. Give it some time.

Player-wise; This is what I think needs to be added for an improved defense and offense.*

*Unless the play calling gets better, none of this will matter.

2 Starting QUALITY pass rushing defensive ends for the 4-3 OR 2 quality pass rushing LBs for the 3-4.

1 to start opposite of abraham and one to replace abraham, eventually. I think we will need a LB no matter what to replace peterson.

Whether its 2 DEs and 1 LB or 2 Lbs. I think they all need to be pass rush specialists that had success more than one year and without a injury history. We do not need another busterson or another rookie that gets injured out of the gate while waiting till his second year to play. We have enough run stuffers; It is about d*mn time that this team gets pressure on the QB.

I'm not sure wasting a pick on corner is necessary just yet. We have 2 VERY young backups. Owens who is entering his 3rd NEXT year and dominique-franks who will be entering his second. People complain and say how we should be patient in player development, but already want to use ANOTHER pick on a corner. Perhaps, to be safe, it would be best to find a decent under valued free agent for this position.

Anyway, albeit the draft or free agency if we do find a quality starter, i think it is STUPID to put your PRO BOWL corner, Grimes, as the freaking nickle back. Call me crazy, but I think you have your best player starting. Maybe it is Robinson who needs to be the nickle back, that is if a new addition out plays him.

As for the offense; If we can address the pass rush in the draft the remain picks should be:

LT, Running back who can catch, and a speedy WR.

Depending on who is available, I think a LT or DE should be the first priority.

2nd should be another DE or WR.

3rd should be a Scat Back or Receiving TE.

the rest should be small college LB and DEs

I don't care if the second half of the draft is devoted to only getting DEs and or LBs that are rush specialists. It has been too d*am long as far as fixing the pass rush. This area has to be fixed already.

Reason I do not want to get a guard or a center is the falcons already drafted players for those positions. Plus a quality LT will allow Baker to move to his natural position of RT and Clabo, if resigned can move to guard.

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Player-wise; This is what I think needs to be added for an improved defense and offense.*

*Unless the play calling gets better, none of this will matter.

2 Starting QUALITY pass rushing defensive ends for the 4-3 OR 2 quality pass rushing LBs for the 3-4.

1 to start opposite of abraham and one to replace abraham, eventually. I think we will need a LB no matter what to replace peterson.

Whether its 2 DEs and 1 LB or 2 Lbs. I think they all need to be pass rush specialists that had success more than one year and without a injury history. We do not need another busterson or another rookie that gets injured out of the gate while waiting till his second year to play. We have enough run stuffers; It is about d*mn time that this team gets pressure on the QB.

I'm not sure wasting a pick on corner is necessary just yet. We have 2 VERY young backups. Owens who is entering his 3rd NEXT year and dominique-franks who will be entering his second. People complain and say how we should be patient in player development, but already want to use ANOTHER pick on a corner. Perhaps, to be safe, it would be best to find a decent under valued free agent for this position.

Anyway, albeit the draft or free agency if we do find a quality starter, i think it is STUPID to put your PRO BOWL corner, Grimes, as the freaking nickle back. Call me crazy, but I think you have your best player starting. Maybe it is Robinson who needs to be the nickle back, that is if a new addition out plays him.

As for the offense; If we can address the pass rush in the draft the remain picks should be:

LT, Running back who can catch, and a speedy WR.

Depending on who is available, I think a LT or DE should be the first priority.

2nd should be another DE or WR.

3rd should be a Scat Back or Receiving TE.

the rest should be small college LB and DEs

I don't care if the second half of the draft is devoted to only getting DEs and or LBs that are rush specialists. It has been too d*am long as far as fixing the pass rush. This area has to be fixed already.

Reason I do not want to get a guard or a center is the falcons already drafted players for those positions. Plus a quality LT will allow Baker to move to his natural position of RT and Clabo, if resigned can move to guard.

We need to trade Turner for a 2nd and 3rd. Trade Jenkins for a 5th.

Sign Richard Seymour to a 2 year deal, Charles Johnson to a 5 year deal. Let's bring these back home to Georgia. Maybe take a look at Legedu Naanee to start opposite of White if we need to groom a WR from the draft. Naanee should be cheap.

If Tony Gonzalez does not sign, we need to make Zach Miller a priority. Heck, I'd rather have Zach Miler than Gonzalez if I"m thinking about long-term success. Miller, Asomugha, Howard, and Morrison were the only players who still played every down 120% for the Raiders even when they do poorly.

Draft a speedy WR who will eventually be our number WR2.

Draft may go like this (haven't looked at potential draftees)

1) RB

2) DE

2) WR

3) DE

3) TE

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Jesus tap dancing Christ....

Our Defense held teams to 18 points and under 10 times this season. Our D is nowhere near as bad as you people are trying to make it out to be. If we get a proven DE opposite of Abe we are set, PERIOD. Alot of key peices to our D just gained experiance and will come back better next season; Decoud, Grimes, Moore, Robinson, Spoon, Jerry, Bierman, Peters. Our D is right where it needs to be at this point and time, Young with a high ceiling. We were 5th in the league in points allowed. The difference between us and 3rd place was 18 points on the entire season. 1.1 points per game.

I agree the D is not as bad as people make it out to be but Abraham only has a couple of years left. Now is the time to both find a starter opposite him AND a replacement.

Doing it your way will have the falcons in the same position now, and that is IF the DE that we are assuming that they get will even be successful. What if they draft one DE and he is as bad as busterson? WTF will they do then?

Peters is Ok. Jerry is a non factor at this point. The secondary, starters, are good. The team simply lacks depth in that department. We have babs as a great starter. The team lacks a pass rush.

That is why a several pass rushers are key. Not just one. ABRAHAM IS OLD. Beerman is not starter material. He is good on 3rd down. Maybe he can be used in the same capacity as abraham, but in either case we need 2 starting DEs that can play and generate pressure on 1st and second down.

With 2 DEs picked up, beerman can be moved back to LB and play a more natural position for himself.

Peterson needs to be replaced. A pass rushing LB would be great there as well.

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Well the Falcons defense has given up less points since he's been here than any other 3 seasons in franchise history (16 game schedule).

What happened last Saturday was ugly, but it shouldn't be the sole measure of this young defense.

Thank you, an intelligent poster! +1. In fact, one could argue our offense has got some consistency issues. I think our young defense will get better (it has) as the years progress. Aaron Rodgers was quite literally in Joe Montana-mode. I'm not sure anyone could have stopped him that horrid saturday

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