Overcheiving Ryan may lead team to 'accidental' playoff birth...

[The Birds are the truth]

What's that line from Forrest Gump? "Sometimes there just aren't enough rocks"???

Sometimes there just aren't enough Negs

Correct.

[kirbyr]

Nice job guys, 100+ posts once again.

[Goal Line D]

Where do these people come from? Can somebody tell me? :unsure:

Vick's jockstrap would be my first guess.

SMH. :wacko:

[Eddie Dominguez]

 this might be the dumbest post ive ever seen

[apl2g]

that was a pretty stupid post

[MSalmon]

Awesome post! I love when someone attempts to put a logical spin on illogical material. But i'll play. By your reasoning, Joe Montana and Troy Aikman who were both "dink and Dunk" game managers, who had a stud WR, strong running game and great TEs were products of their system, correct? Oh, and btw, both of those guys had top ten defenses in their heydays.

[falcons4life]

This past weekend, Falcons fans witnessed a tough win at Raymond James Stadium. While the win allowed us to maintain our first place position in the NFC South,

Where do you get off saying "US"

You're not FOR US

You're not WITH US

And US wants nothing to do with YOU.

So hang up your faux analysis, faux statistics, and faux loyalty. Go back to your Vick shrine and cry some more.

[Mr. Right]

Mr. Right is brilliant, but clearly a troll.

His analysis is comprehensive, well thought out and supported by sound logic. But clearly, he is just messing with us.

He is confounded by his own astute logic.

Theory: Mike Smith is so brilliant that he makes Matt Ryan look like an elite NFL quarter back, even though he is not more talented than Joey Harrington.

But, Joey Harrington was RELEASED by the Mike Smith after training camp in 2008

Certainly, if Harrington had the skill of Ryan, Shockey or Redman would have been released instead.

A man as brilliant as Mr. Right recognizes this objective proof that Harrington's talent is not only less than Ryan's, but less than Redman and many times released Shockey as well.

Someone who posts opinions that they know to be wrong in order to get a rise out of folks is a troll.

Don't feed the trolls, folks!

(Although I'm afraid I just did, I'm just having fun.)

The difference between the 2008 Joey Harrington and the 2002 Joey Harrington is a difference in confidence. Young QBs thrust into unfavorable environments are much more likely to fail - David Carr is another recent example. The Lions were 2-14 in 2001. Although the Falcons went 4-12 in 2007, Ryan was fortunate because of the arrival of Michael Turner and the positive development of Roddy White.

So you are right in that the 2008 Joey Harrington is worse than the aforementioned QBs. However, the reason for this difference is Joey Harrington lost his confidence. This lack of confidence is correlated to is poor play.

clueless dude said;;We are now seeing a regression to the mean. Ryan has a 7.0 y/a for a career. Compare this to other QBs:

Rivers: 7.98

Manning: 7.62

Brady: 7.36 ;;;

the only qb Stat that matters is Winning

i would like to see J Montanas y/a

and 3rd downs too

where Ryan has also been ELITE

Until Ryan proves that his mean for YPA is consistently above 7, we'll just have to use his past stats as an indicator. While college is different from the pros, Ryan only averaged a 6.92 in college. This is especially shocking given that we should expect to see a higher YPA due to weaker defenses in the NCAA. Compare this to Peyton Manning who had a 8.27 YPA with the Volunteers.

Even if you only looked at Ryan's Junior and Senior years, he only averaged 6.92 and 6.89 respectively. Manning, on the other hand, saw YPAs of 8.65 and 8.01.

Edited December 11, 2010 by Mr. Right

[J Who?]

Guessing Game:

The following are the YPA for various quarterbacks in the first 3/4 years of their careers. Can you match up the names with the YPA average over the first years, does it measure success? Post your guesses!

6.7

7.025

6.625

6.27

7.0

6.75

7.275

6.66

Tom Brady (4 year, left out rookie season only played 1 game)

Steve Young (first 4 years)

John Elway (4 Years)

Phil Simms (3 Years, Injured 4th year)

Matt Ryan (3 Years)

Michael Vick (First 4 Years

Boomer Esiason (4 years)

Drew Brees (3 years, left out rookie season only played 1 game)

Edited December 11, 2010 by J Who?

[j105]

After careful 'observation' of this thread, 'j105' has decided that 'Mr. Right' needs to 'jump' off a 'bridge.'

[The Birds are the truth]

After careful 'observation' of this thread, 'j105' has decided that 'Mr. Right' needs to 'jump' off a 'bridge.'

"Mr Right" 1707 negs. Suspension recommanded.

[JD dirtybird21]

Nobody is arguing that Ryan is better than Brady and Manning. But where Mr. Right contradicted himself was when he said Brady and Manning make their coaches look great and Ryan is overrated due to a great coach. Belichek is one of the best coaches in NFL history and he just said that great coaches make their qb's look good and overrated. Yet, he used Brady as an example of a great qb. Smart...

The fact that he's comparing Ryan to Brady and Manning also says more about Ryan than his actual words.

[JD dirtybird21]

We are now seeing a regression to the mean. Ryan has a 7.0 y/a for a career. Compare this to other QBs:

Rivers: 7.98

Manning: 7.62

Brady: 7.36

Stats are the truth to everything, good call bro

[falconidae]

We are now seeing a regression to the mean. Ryan has a 7.0 y/a for a career. Compare this to other QBs:

Rivers: 7.98

Manning: 7.62

Brady: 7.36

Brady had a YPA under 7 his first 3 years starting

Peyton's first year was 6.5

River YPA first 4 years was 7

All these QBs YPA improved when they matured into their bodies and learned their systems. No reason to think that won't happen for Ryan.

And notice to try to make Ryan look bad- you have to compare him to the best, most experienced QBs. Compare him to QB that have about the same amount of experience-Flacco 7.2, Freeman 6.6, Sanchez 6.7- he looks much better.

[ukfalc]

Shame that the actions of the OP's Overachieving father lead to his 'accidental' birth.

[slewis1952]

There is a saying around the NFL that a good QB can make a head coach look like a genius. (Just look at the impact of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady on their respective coaches). However, in Atlanta a reverse phenomenon may be true. A good coach may make a sub-par QB look like a superstar. While Mike Smith has yet to win a Superbowl, and it waits to be seen if he actually is a good coach, Smith has largely prevented Matt Ryan from making mistakes.

This past weekend, Falcons fans witnessed a tough win at Raymond James Stadium. While the win allowed us to maintain our first place position in the NFC South, the Falcons may have been better off if they avoided the game altogether. This is because the Buccaneers showed the NFL not only how to beat the Falcons, but also the true nature of Matt Ryan. That is, Matt Ryan is no more than a Joey Harrington with favorable surroundings.

Falcons fans tend to point out how 'good' Ryan is by reciting his stats. Ryan is one of the least sacked QBs. Ryan is one of the best against the blitz. Ryan has only been defeated once at home. But if you delve deeper into the stats, you will see that Ryan is only successful because of the Falcons scheme. One of the stats that is not often mentioned is that Ryan has a measly 6.6 yards per attempt this season, which ties him with Mark Sanchez. For comparison, the league leader Phillip Rivers has 8.8 y/a and second behind him is Michael Vick with 8.4 y/a. More importantly Falcons averaged 6.3 yards net of yards after catch per passing completion and 4.0 yards net of yards after catch per pass attempt.

What this tells you is that Matt Ryan is 'successful' only because the Falcons run a 'dink and dunk' passing game that is complemented by a solid running game. Ryan is successful against the blitz because of the fact that all he has to do is dump the ball off. Ryan is also one of the fewest sacked QBs because the 'dink and dunk' offense allows him to get rid of the ball quickly. And finally, Ryan has one of the fewest interceptions because he doesn't have to pass more than 4 yards per attempt.

The Buccaneers exposed Matt Ryan this past weekend by playing the short passing game. While Ryan was only intercepted twice, anyone who watched the game would know that he should have been picked off at least 5 times. When Ryan did throw deep, he was horribly inaccurate (as he was throughout the season).

From this we can tell that Ryan is only a 'game manager' and has been successful because of the scheme he is in. Just like Joey Harrington, Ryan excels at the 'dink and dunk' offense and minimizes turnovers by checking the ball down. However, unlike elite QBs like Manning and Brady, who also can minimize turnovers, Ryan cannot expand the passing game vertically. While Joey Harrington has largely been unsuccessful, his lack of success can be attributed to a lack a complimentary run game - which is crucial for the success of a 'dink and dunk' QB.

Unlike Manning and Brady, Ryan is only successful because of a power running game and HOF TE and all-star WR. Just ask yourself this: Do you think Ryan would be successful without White and Gonzalez? Manning and Brady are able to succeed even without top WRs.

Oh, and what would Johnny Unitas have been without Raymond Berry, Jimmy Orr, Lenny Moore, and Alan Ameche?? Ok, the you go line up behind the same OL with the same weapons and see if you can do better since its sooooooo easy. Bite me!

[JDaveG]

Why is this thread on the front page?

Oh, yeah -- because people are replying to it. This will be my last. I encourage all of you to act accordingly.

[chifalc]

Shame that the actions of the OP's Overachieving father lead to his 'accidental' birth.

overchieving. Not overachieving.

[goatehall]

There is a saying around the NFL that a good QB can make a head coach look like a genius. (Just look at the impact of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady on their respective coaches). However, in Atlanta a reverse phenomenon may be true. A good coach may make a sub-par QB look like a superstar. While Mike Smith has yet to win a Superbowl, and it waits to be seen if he actually is a good coach, Smith has largely prevented Matt Ryan from making mistakes.

This past weekend, Falcons fans witnessed a tough win at Raymond James Stadium. While the win allowed us to maintain our first place position in the NFC South, the Falcons may have been better off if they avoided the game altogether. This is because the Buccaneers showed the NFL not only how to beat the Falcons, but also the true nature of Matt Ryan. That is, Matt Ryan is no more than a Joey Harrington with favorable surroundings.

Falcons fans tend to point out how 'good' Ryan is by reciting his stats. Ryan is one of the least sacked QBs. Ryan is one of the best against the blitz. Ryan has only been defeated once at home. But if you delve deeper into the stats, you will see that Ryan is only successful because of the Falcons scheme. One of the stats that is not often mentioned is that Ryan has a measly 6.6 yards per attempt this season, which ties him with Mark Sanchez. For comparison, the league leader Phillip Rivers has 8.8 y/a and second behind him is Michael Vick with 8.4 y/a. More importantly Falcons averaged 6.3 yards net of yards after catch per passing completion and 4.0 yards net of yards after catch per pass attempt.

What this tells you is that Matt Ryan is 'successful' only because the Falcons run a 'dink and dunk' passing game that is complemented by a solid running game. Ryan is successful against the blitz because of the fact that all he has to do is dump the ball off. Ryan is also one of the fewest sacked QBs because the 'dink and dunk' offense allows him to get rid of the ball quickly. And finally, Ryan has one of the fewest interceptions because he doesn't have to pass more than 4 yards per attempt.

The Buccaneers exposed Matt Ryan this past weekend by playing the short passing game. While Ryan was only intercepted twice, anyone who watched the game would know that he should have been picked off at least 5 times. When Ryan did throw deep, he was horribly inaccurate (as he was throughout the season).

From this we can tell that Ryan is only a 'game manager' and has been successful because of the scheme he is in. Just like Joey Harrington, Ryan excels at the 'dink and dunk' offense and minimizes turnovers by checking the ball down. However, unlike elite QBs like Manning and Brady, who also can minimize turnovers, Ryan cannot expand the passing game vertically. While Joey Harrington has largely been unsuccessful, his lack of success can be attributed to a lack a complimentary run game - which is crucial for the success of a 'dink and dunk' QB.

Unlike Manning and Brady, Ryan is only successful because of a power running game and HOF TE and all-star WR. Just ask yourself this: Do you think Ryan would be successful without White and Gonzalez? Manning and Brady are able to succeed even without top WRs.

So let me get this straight. Basically you are calling Matt Ryan the Robert Horry of the NFL????

[chifalc]

So let me get this straight. Basically you are calling Matt Ryan the Robert Horry of the NFL????

Have you looked at the problems manning has been having in his recent games

[HASHBROWN3]

There is a saying around the NFL that a good QB can make a head coach look like a genius. (Just look at the impact of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady on their respective coaches). However, in Atlanta a reverse phenomenon may be true. A good coach may make a sub-par QB look like a superstar. While Mike Smith has yet to win a Superbowl, and it waits to be seen if he actually is a good coach, Smith has largely prevented Matt Ryan from making mistakes.

This past weekend, Falcons fans witnessed a tough win at Raymond James Stadium. While the win allowed us to maintain our first place position in the NFC South, the Falcons may have been better off if they avoided the game altogether. This is because the Buccaneers showed the NFL not only how to beat the Falcons, but also the true nature of Matt Ryan. That is, Matt Ryan is no more than a Joey Harrington with favorable surroundings.

Falcons fans tend to point out how 'good' Ryan is by reciting his stats. Ryan is one of the least sacked QBs. Ryan is one of the best against the blitz. Ryan has only been defeated once at home. But if you delve deeper into the stats, you will see that Ryan is only successful because of the Falcons scheme. One of the stats that is not often mentioned is that Ryan has a measly 6.6 yards per attempt this season, which ties him with Mark Sanchez. For comparison, the league leader Phillip Rivers has 8.8 y/a and second behind him is Michael Vick with 8.4 y/a. More importantly Falcons averaged 6.3 yards net of yards after catch per passing completion and 4.0 yards net of yards after catch per pass attempt.

What this tells you is that Matt Ryan is 'successful' only because the Falcons run a 'dink and dunk' passing game that is complemented by a solid running game. Ryan is successful against the blitz because of the fact that all he has to do is dump the ball off. Ryan is also one of the fewest sacked QBs because the 'dink and dunk' offense allows him to get rid of the ball quickly. And finally, Ryan has one of the fewest interceptions because he doesn't have to pass more than 4 yards per attempt.

The Buccaneers exposed Matt Ryan this past weekend by playing the short passing game. While Ryan was only intercepted twice, anyone who watched the game would know that he should have been picked off at least 5 times. When Ryan did throw deep, he was horribly inaccurate (as he was throughout the season).

From this we can tell that Ryan is only a 'game manager' and has been successful because of the scheme he is in. Just like Joey Harrington, Ryan excels at the 'dink and dunk' offense and minimizes turnovers by checking the ball down. However, unlike elite QBs like Manning and Brady, who also can minimize turnovers, Ryan cannot expand the passing game vertically. While Joey Harrington has largely been unsuccessful, his lack of success can be attributed to a lack a complimentary run game - which is crucial for the success of a 'dink and dunk' QB.

Unlike Manning and Brady, Ryan is only successful because of a power running game and HOF TE and all-star WR. Just ask yourself this: Do you think Ryan would be successful without White and Gonzalez? Manning and Brady are able to succeed even without top WRs.

I totally disagree w/ the entire novel above. I had your sorry a$$ on ignore and just thought I would comment for the heck of it. Fact is, I didn't even read one word

Edited December 14, 2010 by HASHBROWN3

[M0D3RNW4RR10R]

Just posting to add a post to my post count.

[goatehall]

Have you looked at the problems manning has been having in his recent games

I have looked at the problems. So what exactly are you trying to get me to see as it relates to Manning? What does that have to do with how the poster is basically calling Matt Ryan Robert Horry?