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Still on the 40 man roster... just read an article on chophouse saying that we lost one of our prospects (Diamond) because we were unable to protect him due to Wagner still occupying a roster spot...... If this possibly means that Wagner is coming back next year I would be ecstatic. We would have a ton of bullpen arms, and could possibly then swing a Rasmus/Kimbrel deal... maybe im just wishful thinking!

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Braves lose Diamond in Rule 5; why’s Wagner still on roster?

3:17 pm December 9, 2010, by David O'Brien

ORLANDO — After the Braves lost left-hander Scott Diamond to the Twins in the major league phase of the Rule 5 draft on Thursday, they selected lefty Rowdy Hardy (Royals) right-hander Eliecer Cardenas (Twins) in the minor league phase of the draft.

Cardenas, 22, was 5-1 with a 3.69 ERA in 38 games (23 starts) at Class-A in 2010. Hardy, 28, went 4-3 with a 3.44 ERA in 36 relief appearances in Double-A, with 57 strikeouts and 18 walks in 81 innings.

Players selected in the major league phase must be kept on the selecting team’s 25-man roster for the entire upcoming season, or be offered back to the team they came from for half of the $50,000 claiming price.

“We knew all along he was probably the most at-risk guy left off our major league roster,” Wren said of Diamond, 24, who was 8-7 with a 3.46 ERA in 27 starts last season in Double-A and Triple-A. “But we just didn’t think we could put together our roster this winter with all the spots filled.”

Wren thought there was a better chance to keep Diamond if a team had to draft him in the Rule 5 and keep him on its roster all season, than if the Braves put him on the 40-man protected roster this winter.

That’s because in the latter case, if the Braves had then needed to take him off in order to open a roster spot later for another acquisition or a non-roster player who made the team in the spring, another team could have simply claimed Diamond on waivers and optioned him to one of its minor league affiliates.

The Twins must keep him on their major league team all season, or offer him back to the Braves for $25,000.

Wags still on roster: Retired closer Billy Wagner still occupies a spot on the Braves’ 40-man roster, but Wren said that’s merely a procedural matter. Wagner has no intention of pitching again, but hasn’t gotten around to filing his retirement papers.

Wren said he spoke with Wagner’s agent last month and was told it would be done soon. Wren said it’s not a problem at this time, because the Braves haven’t needed the roster spot yet. When they do, then could drop Wagner from the roster even if he has not filed his retirement papers yet.

Theoretically, if the Braves dropped Wagner from their roster before he retires, another team could offer him a $15 million contract for 2011. But again, Wagner has never wavered in his retirement decision since he announced it early in the 2010 season, and the Braves have no expectations that he will.

“The player has to retire; the team can’t retire him,” Wren said. “I talked to his agent a few weeks ago. They just haven’t got around to filing the papers. And I told him, it’s just not an issue for the roster spot today. He said, we’ll get to it. They just haven’t done it yet. But it’s not a problem.”

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Still on the 40 man roster... just read an article on chophouse saying that we lost one of our prospects (Diamond) because we were unable to protect him due to Wagner still occupying a roster spot...... If this possibly means that Wagner is coming back next year I would be ecstatic. We would have a ton of bullpen arms, and could possibly then swing a Rasmus/Kimbrel deal... maybe im just wishful thinking!

I would rather see Melky playing CF for us than to see Kimbrel traded for Rasmus.

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A great closer is harder to find than a decent OF'er IMO.

1. We have no idea if Kimbrel will be a "great closer". I think he'll be fine, but his control issues are enough to make you hedge your bets.

2. Rasmus projects out to be much better than "decent", especially for an OF that can play a good CF.

In any case, a quality everyday player will always be more valuable to a team then a quality relief specialist.

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1. We have no idea if Kimbrel will be a "great closer". I think he'll be fine, but his control issues are enough to make you hedge your bets.

2. Rasmus projects out to be much better than "decent", especially for an OF that can play a good CF.

In any case, a quality everyday player will always be more valuable to a team then a quality relief specialist.

All good points but I have more confidence that Kinbrel would benefit us more than Rasmus will. Too much of what I saw from him last season reminded me of Nate before coming here. Only Rasmus had almost as many K's in 2010 as Nate did in 07 and 08 combined.

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He's also 24 years old and going into his 3rd season.

You are wasting your time arguing with him about it. He thinks Rasmus is the 2nd coming of McLouth and there is no changing his mind. I've done had this same arguement with him. I pointed out all the reasons and why comparing Ramsus to McLouth is not even close to a good comparison but he's steadfast in his opinion so leave it alone.

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That doesn't really have anything to do with my statement you quoted.

How does it not? You don't like him because you liken him to McLouth, but this kid is only 24 years old and entering his 3rd season. You claim him to be an average-above average player but ignore the fact that he is still extremely young.

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Control issues for Kimbrel? I don't really see that.

The guy pitched 20.2 innings and did not hit anybody and walked 16. He could get his walks down, but he also had 40 strike outs. I think to say that he has control issues is unwarranted.

He also gave up only 9 hits 2 runs and 1 earned run. So looking at him as a closer working only one inning a game that is a possible 18 saves out of 20 save opportunities, hypothetically. I think that is pretty good.

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Control issues for Kimbrel? I don't really see that.

The guy pitched 20.2 innings and did not hit anybody and walked 16. He could get his walks down, but he also had 40 strike outs. I think to say that he has control issues is unwarranted.

He also gave up only 9 hits 2 runs and 1 earned run. So looking at him as a closer working only one inning a game that is a possible 18 saves out of 20 save opportunities, hypothetically. I think that is pretty good.

His biggest problem has been the walks throughout his career, but he did get a lot better with it in his time up in the majors.

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Yes, his work in his September call-up was very promising. But it's way to early to proclaim him the Annointed One. His minor league track record is a much larger sample size, and he's had control issues pretty much throughout, although his work in AAA showed a lot of improvement.

And I don't want it to seem like I'm knocking the guy. I'm very high on Kimbrel. He was great in September, and in the playoffs. Plus, it's not uncommon for guys with his kind of stuff to also walk a bunch of guys when their young. I'm not worried about him, but I'm not necessarily expecting him to be a dominant closer right away.

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You are wasting your time arguing with him about it. He thinks Rasmus is the 2nd coming of McLouth and there is no changing his mind. I've done had this same arguement with him. I pointed out all the reasons and why comparing Ramsus to McLouth is not even close to a good comparison but he's steadfast in his opinion so leave it alone.

You're right, just like you I'm allowed to have my opinion on the guy.

Either way most of you guys on here think he's Griffey the way you hype him up.

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You're right, just like you I'm allowed to have my opinion on the guy.

Either way most of you guys on here think he's Griffey the way you hype him up.

Find one post where anyone on here has even come close to comparing Colby Rasmus to one of the greatest center-fielders in the history of baseball! I dare you to! Saying Rasmus has a ton of potential and a much higher ceiling than Nate McLouth is far from saying he's going to have a Ken Griffey Jr. type career! So please don't make such absurd comments.

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I think if we are willing to trade Kimbrel for an outfielder, we could get more than Rasmus. Kimbrel is a very young, very solid setup/closer. Given our record for developing closers, we could drive up the price on him (see Neftali Perez). I know there are others, but the Braves have long been known for their great pitching.

If we are willing to part with Kimbrel, we need to ask for more than Rasmus. He's a solid outfield guy, but I believe he is just marginally better than what we have out there now.

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