Two more sources come forward confirming Newton pay-for-play allegations

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

So, in the bush case, he played before there was a LOI, and in the Cam case, he's playing now before they received LOI....so what's the difference again?

There wasn't an on going investigation while Bush was playing are you insinuating there isn't an ongoing investigation going on righ now?

[ATLBrave]

There wasn't an on going investigation while Bush was playing are you insinuating there isn't an ongoing investigation going on righ now?

The similarities between the two instances are that Bush received money while at USC and Newton could have very done the same thing at Auburn. You really are delusional with all of your conspiracy theories. The fact that you infer a lie from John Bond based on the fact that he didn't "directly" speak to Kenny Rogers is just absolutely ridiculous. It doesn't matter if he ever spoke directly to Rogers, they were still connected. So please, stop wasting our time with your ridiculous claims. Like someone else said, you, nor anyone else knows the whole truth, and we won't until this investigation is over with. But as the old saying goes, where there is smoke, there is fire.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

The similarities between the two instances are that Bush received money while at USC and Newton could have very done the same thing at Auburn. You really are delusional with all of your conspiracy theories. The fact that you infer a lie from John Bond based on the fact that he didn't "directly" speak to Kenny Rogers is just absolutely ridiculous. It doesn't matter if he ever spoke directly to Rogers, they were still connected. So please, stop wasting our time with your ridiculous claims. Like someone else said, you, nor anyone else knows the whole truth, and we won't until this investigation is over with. But as the old saying goes, where there is smoke, there is fire.

Newton was not involved with an agent trying to represent him in the NFL, I haven't mentioned one conspiracy theory unless you consider the fact that Bob Stoops never was approached about money, Lane Kiffin was never approached about money. As for wasting your time, I never asked you to read it/respond so I don't feel I'm responsible for wasting your time I feel you should look in the mirror if your searching for a source of wasted time.

As for new news Kenny Rogers was just on ESPN Radio and said that him and Cecil asked MSU for money "between 100 and 180k" he also went on to say after their visit to MSU Cecil and Kenny Rogers relationship ended, Kenny said he never had any contact with Auburn or Oklahoma. IDK what this means for Auburn but it appears there is less evidence that Auburn paid for Newton's services but more evidence that at least Cecil asked for cash from MSU. Whats interesting to me is that MSU continued their recruitment of Cam after this conversation.

[Mr Pickle1]

There wasn't an on going investigation while Bush was playing are you insinuating there isn't an ongoing investigation going on righ now?

I'm saying there wasn't an investigation when they made the decision to play him before the season started.

[Mr Pickle1]

Newton was not involved with an agent trying to represent him in the NFL, I haven't mentioned one conspiracy theory unless you consider the fact that Bob Stoops never was approached about money, Lane Kiffin was never approached about money. As for wasting your time, I never asked you to read it/respond so I don't feel I'm responsible for wasting your time I feel you should look in the mirror if your searching for a source of wasted time.

As for new news Kenny Rogers was just on ESPN Radio and said that him and Cecil asked MSU for money "between 100 and 180k" he also went on to say after their visit to MSU Cecil and Kenny Rogers relationship ended, Kenny said he never had any contact with Auburn or Oklahoma. IDK what this means for Auburn but it appears there is less evidence that Auburn paid for Newton's services but more evidence that at least Cecil asked for cash from MSU. Whats interesting to me is that MSU continued their recruitment of Cam after this conversation.

1. There is at least less evidence that any AU moolah was funneled by Kenny...however, isn't this what he would say? He apparently knows they can nail him for the conversation with MSU, so he admits that and denys everything else? I'm not saying that is what happened, just giving another perspective.

However, now, do you believe that Cecil was wanting some cash? And doesn't that make it MORE likely to you that he may have gotten it from AU?

This announcement, if that is ALL there is, doesn't mean a lot for AU, I don't think. THey'd need something more to get them, something AU did with Cam.

However...to me, and I hope to you, this just further confirms that the Newtons are not to be trusted, and they are NOT upstanding citizens.

As far as how it impacts Cam....IDK. I am unsure of the NCAA protocol towards people are actively attempting to get paid. If the rule is written so you can't "attempt" to receive compensation for playing, then they will probably find him to be ineligible, and the games he played forfeit.

[ATLBrave]

Newton was not involved with an agent trying to represent him in the NFL, I haven't mentioned one conspiracy theory unless you consider the fact that Bob Stoops never was approached about money, Lane Kiffin was never approached about money. As for wasting your time, I never asked you to read it/respond so I don't feel I'm responsible for wasting your time I feel you should look in the mirror if your searching for a source of wasted time.

As for new news Kenny Rogers was just on ESPN Radio and said that him and Cecil asked MSU for money "between 100 and 180k" he also went on to say after their visit to MSU Cecil and Kenny Rogers relationship ended, Kenny said he never had any contact with Auburn or Oklahoma. IDK what this means for Auburn but it appears there is less evidence that Auburn paid for Newton's services but more evidence that at least Cecil asked for cash from MSU. Whats interesting to me is that MSU continued their recruitment of Cam after this conversation.

If you can't see the similarities between Bush and Newton, then I don't know what to tell you. No two instances are ever going to be a like, but they both involved either them or their family members receiving monetary benefits. And you listing Lane Kiffin as a coach coming forward about not receiving any "pay for play" type deals is laughable. The man's school is going through their own ordeals, and not even he would be stupid enough (or at least I hope he wouldn't) to get them involved in something like that again. As for the new news regarding Rogers and this whole ordeal, him saying that their relationship ended after MSU doesn't mean much. It wouldn't take a lot for Cecil Newton to conduct his own business with Auburn or any other team. The fact that rumors of things like this having been going on for quite some time..not just paying players, but funneling it through churches, etc. speaks volumes about this, not to mention the phone conversations that have come out. It's great to defend your team and players, lord knows that I defended AJ Green, but like I and many others have said, where there's smoke, there's fire.

[SacFalcFan]

Per Chuck Oliver, Buck Belue spoke to Bond off the air and there will be another shoe to drop on this cameron newton pay for play situation.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

Per Chuck Oliver, Buck Belue spoke to Bond off the air and there will be another shoe to drop on this cameron newton pay for play situation.

As for new news Kenny Rogers was just on ESPN Radio and said that him and Cecil asked MSU for money "between 100 and 180k" he also went on to say after their visit to MSU Cecil and Kenny Rogers relationship ended, Kenny said he never had any contact with Auburn or Oklahoma. IDK what this means for Auburn but it appears there is less evidence that Auburn paid for Newton's services but more evidence that at least Cecil asked for cash from MSU. Whats interesting to me is that MSU continued their recruitment of Cam after this conversation.

I believe this is what he was talking about.

[SacFalcFan]

As for new news Kenny Rogers was just on ESPN Radio and said that him and Cecil asked MSU for money "between 100 and 180k" he also went on to say after their visit to MSU Cecil and Kenny Rogers relationship ended, Kenny said he never had any contact with Auburn or Oklahoma. IDK what this means for Auburn but it appears there is less evidence that Auburn paid for Newton's services but more evidence that at least Cecil asked for cash from MSU. Whats interesting to me is that MSU continued their recruitment of Cam after this conversation.

I believe this is what he was talking about.

he also said that cecil newton told him "It won't be free this time." Referring to which school Cam picked. Said he wasn't the go between with Auburn, was only negotiating with MSU. He said that Cecil asked for $ at a meeting with two MSU coaches and Kenny Rogers the night before Ole Miss game at Hilton Garden Inn. As you said Cecil said it would take between 100,000 and 180,000 to get cam to go to msu. it's clear from what cecil said he was not going to go to a school for free and if you do know what this means for auburn millejb. anyone who has a shred of common sense can put this together. someone won the bid for cam and it was auburn.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

he also said that cecil newton told him "It won't be free this time." Referring to which school Cam picked. Said he wasn't the go between with Auburn, was only negotiating with MSU. He said that Cecil asked for $ at a meeting with two MSU coaches and Kenny Rogers the night before Ole Miss game at Hilton Garden Inn. As you said Cecil said it would take between 100,000 and 180,000 to get cam to go to msu. it's clear from what cecil said he was not going to go to a school for free and if you do know what this means for auburn millejb. anyone who has a shrewd of common sense can put this together. someone won the bid for cam and it was auburn.

If you'll excuse me Sac I'm going to bury my head in the sand and hope to f***ing god that Cam's comment "the money was just too much" referred to the money offered by MSU was the tipping point.

This is not sarcasm this is "hope to f***ing god Auburn is not SMU"

[SacFalcFan]

millejb i can understand man how upsetting this is for every auburn fan out there. i would feel the same way if it was uga. heck it was upsetting losing aj green for 4 games this year over a jersey being sold, i can only imagine how upset auburn fans are. btw not to add anything else man, but finebaum was made aware of this and said this on his show about cam's elgibility. If what kenny is saying is true then cam hasn't been eligible this whole season and that has nothing to do with auburn and what they did or didn't do. A violation is committed the moment an athlete or an athlete's family solicites for money meaning Cameron was no longer an eligible student athlete the minute cecil asked for any money.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

millejb i can understand man how upsetting this is for every auburn fan out there. i would feel the same way if it was uga. heck it was upsetting losing aj green for 4 games this year over a jersey being sold, i can only imagine how upset auburn fans are. btw not to add anything else man, but finebaum was made aware of this and said this on his show about cam's elgibility. If what kenny is saying is true then cam hasn't been eligible this whole season and that has nothing to do with auburn and what they did or didn't do. A violation is committed the moment an athlete or an athlete's family solicites for money meaning Cameron was no longer an eligible student athlete the minute cecil asked for any money.

This is my stance right now.

I assume nothing, I'm not assuming what Kenny Rogers is saying is true and I'm not assuming what anyone else is saying is true. Maybe it's because I'm an Auburn Alum and fan but I will continue to have faith in our compliance department until we get hammered. They have said that Cam has been and is eligible and this is the same compliance department that was RIPPED a couple of months ago by every Auburn fan because they showed our two best basketball recruits the door. I'm no longer going to argue this with anyone else because my position will remain that I have faith in our compliance department and I don't give a ish if its blind faith/homerism/O&B glasses or whatever anyone else wants to say. I will say this about Mr. Rogers he has had two different stories in the matter of a week and he is also being investigated by the NFLPA for fraud and lying. This is what I believe will happen (preface this by saying that I am not making a prediction of what will ultimately happen at Auburn) I believe the NCAA will come down on MSU because or at least begin a serious investigation there, I also believe we will see a civil case between Cecil and Rogers and I believe that we won't see a result in an AU case until that civil case is completed and it could end bad for AU or it may not IDK at this point but that is what I believe will happen.

Until then I will have faith in our compliance department.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

And now John Bond says that he did talk directly to Kenny Rogers, this entire situation is EXTREMELY strange.

[Mr. Hoopah!]

I'd like to crawl under a rock and hide now.

[ATLBrave]

I'd like to crawl under a rock and hide now.

No offense, but a bomb shelter might be a better place to go.

[CalDawg]

As a Georgia fan, under these circumstances I would assume that UGA did not pay for Newton's services. I don't think business ever gets conducted that way, with money going directly from a school to a player. But I would definitely be concerned that the Newtons really were looking to be paid, and I would definitely be concerned that some booster got involved.

Newton's father didn't waste much time picking a school after the MSU deal fell through, suggesting that either he got what he wanted, or he got nervous about the whole thing for some reason and decided to end it quickly. If money changed hands, even through the church, if the FBI really is involved then that will probably be traceable. Those guys are pretty good at finding a money trail when they put their mind to it.

[ChuyDawg]

I believe more people will be forthcoming now if the FBI is indeed involved, you don't want to get busted for giving the Feds misleading information.

This has gone from a dream season to a nightmare for AU, sucks for you guys. As Sac said, you are ineligible once you ask for money. The hard part is proving it.

As more info comes out, AU looks like the winning bidder in the Cam sweepstakes. Obviously nobody has proved it, NOT YET at least. I am sure that its only a matter of time, more info will come out.

This could be bad news for AU. Somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody that is involved with AU came up with the dough.

[Falconsfan567]

There is still no proof or even alledged proof that Auburn paid to get Cam Newton. There is no proof that Cam nor his dad took money from anyone.

The only thing that has comeone is that they asked for money from MSU. If that is all that happened than the NCAA shouldn't be able to touch Auburn nor Cam and everything Auburn has done on the field this year cannot be taken away from them.

[Mr. Hoopah!]

No offense, but a bomb shelter might be a better place to go.

Ugh, I know. This is going to get ugly. I'm so disgusted with this situation.

[CalDawg]

I'd like to crawl under a rock and hide now.

In retrospect, no matter what else happens, Chizik made a fundamental mistake in this case. When he first learned of these allegations, he should have gone to the NCAA and self reported everything he knew. He should have asked them if an investigation was warranted, and if they said yes, then he should have not played Newton until they gave him an all clear. I know that sounds extreme, but you can't risk a program for a player. This still might turn out alright for Auburn, but it's clear now that Chizik has rolled the dice. As a fan, that should make you just a little queasy.

[Mr Pickle1]

If you'll excuse me Sac I'm going to bury my head in the sand and hope to f***ing god that Cam's comment "the money was just too much" referred to the money offered by MSU was the tipping point.

This is not sarcasm this is "hope to f***ing god Auburn is not SMU"

Why would "the money being too much" be the tipping point away from MSU when it was his poppa who was the one requesting it? That makes absolutely, positively no sense, unless you think the Newton's got cold feet at the last momemnt over something they instigated.... Which would be a smart thing for them to do.

[Mr. Hoopah!]

Why would "the money being too much" be the tipping point away from MSU when it was his poppa who was the one requesting it? That makes absolutely, positively no sense, unless you think the Newton's got cold feet at the last momemnt over something they instigated.... Which would be a smart thing for them to do.

I think that's exactly what he implied, and probably what every realistic fan (myself included) hopes at this point. If no money can be proven to change hands between the Newton's and Auburn, and if Cecil asking for money from MSU cannot be substantiated beyond hearsay, then Auburn may come out of this only missing a limb or two, figuratively speaking.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

I will repeat that Kenny Rogers has now told two different stories and is also under investigation of the NFLPA for fraud and lying.

[SacFalcFan]

There is still no proof or even alledged proof that Auburn paid to get Cam Newton. There is no proof that Cam nor his dad took money from anyone.

The only thing that has comeone is that they asked for money from MSU. If that is all that happened than the NCAA shouldn't be able to touch Auburn nor Cam and everything Auburn has done on the field this year cannot be taken away from them.

you are incorrect there.. any student athlete or athlete's family who requests money like cecil is accused of is an ncaa violation and cam would not be eligible to play one down.

[Mr Pickle1]

There is still no proof or even alledged proof that Auburn paid to get Cam Newton. There is no proof that Cam nor his dad took money from anyone.

The only thing that has comeone is that they asked for money from MSU. If that is all that happened than the NCAA shouldn't be able to touch Auburn nor Cam and everything Auburn has done on the field this year cannot be taken away from them.

As SAC said, simply asking to be paid is enough to render you ineligible. Cam's dad asked to be paid. Cam is ineligible.