Two more sources come forward confirming Newton pay-for-play allegations

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

I'm glad you support Newton and your school, as you should, but the fact remains you believe Newton and Auburn would never tell a lie while Miss St. is telling a bunch of lies. You should work for the FBI or CIA with that talent.

I'm sorry but the only people who know the truth are those involved, you nor anyone else on here can know what happened first hand so it's all rumor at this point. The only fact confirmed so far is that Miss St reported Auburn and the Newtons and Rogers for recruiting violations. Outside of that you and me don't know what is fact and what is fiction.

The NCAA snooping around isn't a good thing. AJ Green had this same thing happen and the false rumors of him being in Miami actually led to the investigation where the jersey sell was discovered. Cam Newton could get busted for something he did that has nothing to do with what is being reported. Lets put it this way, with his track record so far, I wouldn't be money that he is squeaky clean, but I'm impressed you would.

And the fact remains that MSU would never tell a lie while AU and the Newtons have told a bunch of lies. But what we do know is that John Bond did lie about talking to Kenny Rogers, which is what everything stems from.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

The most compelling evidence to me is that Cam Newton remains eligible to play football for Auburn university

[ATLBrave]

And the fact remains that MSU would never tell a lie while AU and the Newtons have told a bunch of lies. But what we do know is that John Bond did lie about talking to Kenny Rogers, which is what everything stems from.

Well...in this situation, the guilty party lying is more plausible than the accuser.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

Well...in this situation, the guilty party lying is more plausible than the accuser.

Even though the accuser has already lied?

[ATLBrave]

The most compelling evidence to me is that Cam Newton remains eligible to play football for Auburn university

Why would the NCAA declare him ineligible before they finished with their investigation? And would you even expect Auburn to sit him in anticipation of something? He's already played in 8-9 games (whatever the amount is) this season, and they'd vacate all of those wins. Two to three more vacated wins is nothing if he is indeed found guilty of all of this.

[ATLBrave]

Even though the accuser has already lied?

What is this based on? An Auburn blogger's report?

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

Why would the NCAA declare him ineligible before they finished with their investigation? And would you even expect Auburn to sit him in anticipation of something? He's already played in 8-9 games (whatever the amount is) this season, and they'd vacate all of those wins. Two to three more vacated wins is nothing if he is indeed found guilty of all of this.

Auburn knew about the allegations in July, if the compliance department had any problems he would not have played against Arky St.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

What is this based on? An Auburn blogger's report?

No this is based on John Bonds own admission on 680 that he never talked to Rogers

[ATLBrave]

Auburn knew about the allegations in July, if the compliance department had any problems he would not have played against Arky St.

This makes no sense whatsoever. If Auburn paid him to play, then why would they report themselves? That's not how it works my friend, and thinking that it does is just stupid, if not insane.

[ATLBrave]

No this is based on John Bonds own admission on 680 that he never talked to Rogers

I'd love to hear this if you have a clip of it.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

I'd love to hear this if you have a clip of it.

http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2010/11/05/bond-speaks-publicly-on-newton-allegations/

Theres the transcript

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=87&c=673&f=62082

There's the link

[Mr Pickle1]

The most compelling evidence to me is that Cam Newton remains eligible to play football for Auburn university

Like Reggie played for USC?

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

Like Reggie played for USC?

The situations are incredibly similar aren't they

[Mr Pickle1]

And everything else I mentioned?

I addressed that too, but it really isn't important:

The key issue for belief/disbelief has to revolve around those phone conversations. That is where the rubber meets the road.

[Mr Pickle1]

The most compelling evidence to me is that Cam Newton remains eligible to play football for Auburn university

Could you perhaps outline your scenario of what happens, most specifically as it pertains to the phone conversations. You seem very convinced that Newton didn't do anything, so you must have a compelling version of what happened that explains the phone conversations, the FBI involvement, and the non denial denials from Newton Sr and Cameron?

[Mr Pickle1]

The situations are incredibly similar aren't they

Yeah, they definitely are, in some ways, anyway. The basic point of what I was saying is, that it seems hard to believe that Carrol didn't know anything about what Bush was doing, when you had agents at practice...and they didn't sit Bush.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

This makes no sense whatsoever. If Auburn paid him to play, then why would they report themselves? That's not how it works my friend, and thinking that it does is just stupid, if not insane.

If they did and they felt as if they were caught he would have never taken the field against Arky St. what would be stupid is to play a player that they felt would be ineligible

[ATLBrave]

http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2010/11/05/bond-speaks-publicly-on-newton-allegations/

Theres the transcript

http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=87&c=673&f=62082

There's the link

Really? I am going to assume that you just misread it, but go back and look at the transcript. " I HADN'T heard from him in a long time." Keyword there being hadn't.

[Billy Ocean]

I'm no lawyer (I prefer to make my living honestly and my soul is still intact ) but isn't conspiracy to commit a crime often considered about as bad as actually committing a crime? Maybe that's not the case for NCAA investigators, but I would think it would be for the FBI. So finding the actual money trail may not be that important. But if there was a money trail, then I'm sure the feds have forensic accountants who could find it.

[Isosceles]

Auburn fans are playing their violins, all the while the Titanic is sinking.

CrimsonKat you have a way with words. That was so funny!

J

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

Really? I am going to assume that you just misread it, but go back and look at the transcript. " I HADN'T heard from him in a long time." Keyword there being hadn't.

And this?

"Actually, there two people in between it but, basically, yes, that’s what happened"

Not to mention Kenny Rogers said on 790 that he never contacted Bond

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

Yeah, they definitely are, in some ways, anyway. The basic point of what I was saying is, that it seems hard to believe that Carrol didn't know anything about what Bush was doing, when you had agents at practice...and they didn't sit Bush.

Really? When did the allegations surface? That's the difference is that Reggie had already played during the investigation while the allegations in this case occured before Cam even touched the field. Let us not forgot Auburn has yet to receive a LOI

[ATLBrave]

And this?

"Actually, there two people in between it but, basically, yes, that’s what happened"

Not to mention Kenny Rogers said on 790 that he never contacted Bond

Those two people...................................................

Cecil and Cam Newton?

[Mr Pickle1]

Really? When did the allegations surface? That's the difference is that Reggie had already played during the investigation while the allegations in this case occured before Cam even touched the field. Let us not forgot Auburn has yet to receive a LOI

So, in the bush case, he played before there was a LOI, and in the Cam case, he's playing now before they received LOI....so what's the difference again?

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

Those two people...................................................

Cecil and Cam Newton?

So John Bond heard from Cecil and Cam Newton that Kenny Rogers heard from Cecil and Cam Newton wanted 180k?????