Two more sources come forward confirming Newton pay-for-play allegations

[Dawgy]

Thanks AtlDawg6 and Sac.... much appreciated

[Born Again Georgian]

Okay this link will discuss what that original link i posted talks about and everyone can read it.

Arkansas fans are on the job now.

Oh lord, we know how those crazy Hog fans can be.

[Atlanta_Dawgs46]

MrAR15FWB what are you hearing from your forum?

Dawgy no problem. If the story of the New York Times come out involving Trooper......than the Arkansas fan rumor will be correct.

Edited November 11, 2010 by Atlanta_Dawgs46

[Billy Ocean]

Oh lord, we know how those crazy Hog fans can be.

Quick, get Malzahn's phone records!

[kicker_jesus]

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

Okay this link will discuss what that original link i posted talks about and everyone can read it.

Arkansas fans are on the job now.

Man Auburn sure is screwed! I can't believe it MORE unsubstantiated rumors!!!!! Boy oh boy were going down!!!!! Oh by the way Arkansas has themselves a couple Walt Williams recruits I believe such as Brey Cook off the top of my head. Wake me when facts come out. Other than the FACT that now three coaches have come out and said nothing wrong occurred during their recruitment of Cam. Or the FACT that now the original report has been contradicted and proven wrong in many facets. And the FACT that everything against Cam is NOTHING but hearsay. But hey when there's smoke there's fire! Isn't that the montra of the people hoping that this is true?

[SacFalcFan]

[Mr Pickle1]

So Miss State reported this in january, long before there would have been any real jealousy or animus directed towards AU...seems to completely do away with the idea of a vast conspiracy to keep AU down.

That piece of info is extremely telling, to me. Miss State believed he was involved in pay for play in Jan, and reported it. Only more recently have other facts come out. Now you can say the recent digging may be directed by those who don't care for AU...but that doesn't really matter. SOMETHING was going on in January.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

So Miss State reported this in january, long before there would have been any real jealousy or animus directed towards AU...seems to completely do away with the idea of a vast conspiracy to keep AU down.

That piece of info is extremely telling, to me. Miss State believed he was involved in pay for play in Jan, and reported it. Only more recently have other facts come out. Now you can say the recent digging may be directed by those who don't care for AU...but that doesn't really matter. SOMETHING was going on in January.

I don't believe it's a "conspiracy" but I do believe it stems from jealousy on MSUs part and I think the story is beginning to unravel with the lack of proof and inconsistencies on MSUs part

[Mr Pickle1]

I don't believe it's a "conspiracy" but I do believe it stems from jealousy on MSUs part and I think the story is beginning to unravel with the lack of proof and inconsistencies on MSUs part

Dude....MSU went straight to the SEC in january. Then, when more info came out, they went right back to the SEC. Is your contention that the MSU coaches are ********? If you kick off a firestorm like this, you can't just be making it up, or you are in a massive, massive poop pile.

You truly, and honestly believe that MSU coaches did NOT hear what was reported? I don't buy it. This is completely unprecedented, to just make something like that up.

Lack of proof on MSU's part? All they have done is reported stuff to the NCAA. The NCAA wouldnt' be moving forward in an investigation if there appeared to be nothing there.

Lol, I can just see MSU coaches gettign together, writing short scripts for what the Newton's would say..."More than a scholarship" That's a good one! "The money was too much" ...hahah...oh wait, no I can't.

Whether it can be proved is the important thing. Would you at least agree that it seems likely that Newton knew about the money, wanted it, but whether AU actually payed it, and moreover, whether it can be proved, is extremely murky?

To me, this is almost a slam dunk-yes he did it, but we can't prove it.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

Dude....MSU went straight to the SEC in january. Then, when more info came out, they went right back to the SEC. Is your contention that the MSU coaches are ********? If you kick off a firestorm like this, you can't just be making it up, or you are in a massive, massive poop pile.

You truly, and honestly believe that MSU coaches did NOT hear what was reported? I don't buy it. This is completely unprecedented, to just make something like that up.

Lack of proof on MSU's part? All they have done is reported stuff to the NCAA. The NCAA wouldnt' be moving forward in an investigation if there appeared to be nothing there.

Lol, I can just see MSU coaches gettign together, writing short scripts for what the Newton's would say..."More than a scholarship" That's a good one! "The money was too much" ...hahah...oh wait, no I can't.

Whether it can be proved is the important thing. Would you at least agree that it seems likely that Newton knew about the money, wanted it, but whether AU actually payed it, and moreover, whether it can be proved, is extremely murky?

To me, this is almost a slam dunk-yes he did it, but we can't prove it.

I can show you more inconsistencies than you can show me proof add to the fact that two other coaches have come out and said Cam never asked them for money and never had any problems with their recruitment of Cam Newton now why would they lie?

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

Dude....MSU went straight to the SEC in january. Then, when more info came out, they went right back to the SEC. Is your contention that the MSU coaches are ********? If you kick off a firestorm like this, you can't just be making it up, or you are in a massive, massive poop pile.

You truly, and honestly believe that MSU coaches did NOT hear what was reported? I don't buy it. This is completely unprecedented, to just make something like that up.

Lack of proof on MSU's part? All they have done is reported stuff to the NCAA. The NCAA wouldnt' be moving forward in an investigation if there appeared to be nothing there.

Lol, I can just see MSU coaches gettign together, writing short scripts for what the Newton's would say..."More than a scholarship" That's a good one! "The money was too much" ...hahah...oh wait, no I can't.

Whether it can be proved is the important thing. Would you at least agree that it seems likely that Newton knew about the money, wanted it, but whether AU actually payed it, and moreover, whether it can be proved, is extremely murky?

To me, this is almost a slam dunk-yes he did it, but we can't prove it.

And how is something that can't he proved a slam dunk?

[Red Bandana]

Just saw on ESPN that Newton is for sure starting against Georgia. Auburn's gotta get their money's worth!!

[Mr Pickle1]

I can show you more inconsistencies than you can show me proof add to the fact that two other coaches have come out and said Cam never asked them for money and never had any problems with their recruitment of Cam Newton now why would they lie?

1. They would lie to cover their own butt. They don't even want the NCAA to even consider investigating them. If they knew of improprieties and DIDN'T report them originally, they don't want to get into trouble by reporting them now.

2. They might not even be lying. In fact, that is what I believe. I think Mr. Newton only felt comfortable talking about money with a couple schools, who were in the south.

3. This could very well be something handled at the booster level, not the coaching staff level. Albert Means was a booster issue, largely, so the coaching staff might not know about it.

None of the above proves they are lying or that money talk happened...but I believe them to be compelling reasons to largely disregard what those coaches ahve said is irrelevant.

As the simplest analogy I can draw: Bill: "He's a nice guy, he never punched me in the face" Tom: "He punched me in the face" ....does the fact that John Doe didn't punch Bill in the face mean that he didn't punch Tom in the face? No. It just means Bill didn't get punched in the face by John.

[Mr Pickle1]

And how is something that can't he proved a slam dunk?

I think it is a slam dunk O.J. killed his wife...couldn't prove it in the criminal courts, though. That's what I mean.

People commit crimes all the time that can't be proven...doesn't mean they didn't do it, or that the crime didn't happen.

There is zero reason for me to believe that all this was made up. There's enough there to convince me that Mr Newton got paid, or was at the VERY least soliciting money for play.

However, if people won't talk to investigators, or they can't find the money, then Newton and AU walk. That's all that really matters to you, right? I think that is where this is headed.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

1. They would lie to cover their own butt. They don't even want the NCAA to even consider investigating them. If they knew of improprieties and DIDN'T report them originally, they don't want to get into trouble by reporting them now.

2. They might not even be lying. In fact, that is what I believe. I think Mr. Newton only felt comfortable talking about money with a couple schools, who were in the south.

3. This could very well be something handled at the booster level, not the coaching staff level. Albert Means was a booster issue, largely, so the coaching staff might not know about it.

None of the above proves they are lying or that money talk happened...but I believe them to be compelling reasons to largely disregard what those coaches ahve said is irrelevant.

As the simplest analogy I can draw: Bill: "He's a nice guy, he never punched me in the face" Tom: "He punched me in the face" ....does the fact that John Doe didn't punch Bill in the face mean that he didn't punch Tom in the face? No. It just means Bill didn't get punched in the face by John.

It's quite obvious that you believe Auburn has done wrong doing because every shred of evidence that comes out that this thing does not involve Auburn paying Newton you find a reason to say it's not true yet every bit of "evidence" that Auburn did pay Cam is blatantly true. Why does the SEC say they never received info of the supposed calls back when it was first reported, why did John Bonds story change over night. Why did ESPN report Newtons church required $250,000 of repairs when in fact it was $50,000 and Cecil did the repairs himself with monetary help from his son Cecil Jr. why did Auburn know about this since July and yet still allow Cam to play? Why hasn't ANYBODY but John Bond who has been proven to be an unreliable source been named? And why are "recruiters" not being identified as coaches?

[ATLBrave]

This is getting to Michael Vick dog-fighting levels of defending by Auburn fans.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

I think it is a slam dunk O.J. killed his wife...couldn't prove it in the criminal courts, though. That's what I mean.

People commit crimes all the time that can't be proven...doesn't mean they didn't do it, or that the crime didn't happen.

There is zero reason for me to believe that all this was made up. There's enough there to convince me that Mr Newton got paid, or was at the VERY least soliciting money for play.

However, if people won't talk to investigators, or they can't find the money, then Newton and AU walk. That's all that really matters to you, right? I think that is where this is headed.

And what exactly convinces you of that? Evidence is not of importance to you?

[SacFalcFan]

This is getting to Michael Vick dog-fighting levels of defending by Auburn fans.

well the issue auburn fans have is they think this is a court of law and it's not so what they don't believe is evidence can very well be evidence in this investigation. they do not need to find the money or even know the money trail see albert means and see reggie bush. they have to see enough evidence for them to believe wrong doing did take place. auburn boosters using churches to funnel money to pay players isn't new at all. this kinda of cheating has happened at auburn for years and you know the guy on those yellawood commercials?

[richham]

And what exactly convinces you of that? Evidence is not of importance to you?

I'm glad you support Newton and your school, as you should, but the fact remains you believe Newton and Auburn would never tell a lie while Miss St. is telling a bunch of lies. You should work for the FBI or CIA with that talent.

I'm sorry but the only people who know the truth are those involved, you nor anyone else on here can know what happened first hand so it's all rumor at this point. The only fact confirmed so far is that Miss St reported Auburn and the Newtons and Rogers for recruiting violations. Outside of that you and me don't know what is fact and what is fiction.

The NCAA snooping around isn't a good thing. AJ Green had this same thing happen and the false rumors of him being in Miami actually led to the investigation where the jersey sell was discovered. Cam Newton could get busted for something he did that has nothing to do with what is being reported. Lets put it this way, with his track record so far, I wouldn't be money that he is squeaky clean, but I'm impressed you would.

[Mr Pickle1]

And what exactly convinces you of that? Evidence is not of importance to you?

Oh, very much. And I can't explain away the phone conversations as anything other than extremely compelling...that is the smoking gun for me. I have ZERO reason to believe they were made up. It stretches the bounds credulity to think MSU coaches sat around and decided to make up those phone conversatiosn then officially report them to the SEC. No plausible motivation to risk the loss of thier job and civil/criminal charges exist which would justify that. Everything else is just icing on the cake.

[Mr Pickle1]

It's quite obvious that you believe Auburn has done wrong doing because every shred of evidence that comes out that this thing does not involve Auburn paying Newton you find a reason to say it's not true yet every bit of "evidence" that Auburn did pay Cam is blatantly true. Why does the SEC say they never received info of the supposed calls back when it was first reported, why did John Bonds story change over night. Why did ESPN report Newtons church required $250,000 of repairs when in fact it was $50,000 and Cecil did the repairs himself with monetary help from his son Cecil Jr. why did Auburn know about this since July and yet still allow Cam to play? Why hasn't ANYBODY but John Bond who has been proven to be an unreliable source been named? And why are "recruiters" not being identified as coaches?

I'm really sad. I had an amazing reply to all of this, but the boards froze, and it went away. And I'm far too lazy to retype it at the moment. My apologies.

The gist:

All the official talking right now where names are going to be involved is being done to SEC/NCAA/ABI/FBI investigators....not ESPN beat writers. If they get anything at all, it is going to be unofficial from sources that won't be named. Anyone attaching their names to this and talking to the media will probably get fired by MSU.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

I'm really sad. I had an amazing reply to all of this, but the boards froze, and it went away. And I'm far too lazy to retype it at the moment. My apologies.

The gist:

All the official talking right now where names are going to be involved is being done to SEC/NCAA/ABI/FBI investigators....not ESPN beat writers. If they get anything at all, it is going to be unofficial from sources that won't be named. Anyone attaching their names to this and talking to the media will probably get fired by MSU.

And everything else I mentioned?

[ATLBrave]

well the issue auburn fans have is they think this is a court of law and it's not so what they don't believe is evidence can very well be evidence in this investigation. they do not need to find the money or even know the money trail see albert means and see reggie bush. they have to see enough evidence for them to believe wrong doing did take place. auburn boosters using churches to funnel money to pay players isn't new at all. this kinda of cheating has happened at auburn for years and you know the guy on those yellowood commercials?

No, who is it?

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

well the issue auburn fans have is they think this is a court of law and it's not so what they don't believe is evidence can very well be evidence in this investigation. they do not need to find the money or even know the money trail see albert means and see reggie bush. they have to see enough evidence for them to believe wrong doing did take place. auburn boosters using churches to funnel money to pay players isn't new at all. this kinda of cheating has happened at auburn for years and you know the guy on those yellowood commercials?

Pretty funny that no Auburn fan has brought up the "court of law" analogy huh, all I've said is that there has very many things that have been stated that have been proven untrue or at the very least unsubstantiated. When exactly did you visit Abbeville? Or was Mr. Raines (sp) in Atlanta for the weekend?