OK Guys, We need a DE badly

[synaptic apoptosis]

The pass rush still isn't there like the coaches thought it would be. I think we have some nice depth players but don't you think we should take a top tier DE in the first round. I mean, our guys just aren't getting the job done and that is why we are, yet again, at the bottom of the league in pass defense. What say you, DE in the first round?

[vel]

I don't know what DE falls to us in the first. Beal IMO is the best option but I don't know if we take him or if he even makes it. I'm still not sold on Kerrigan being a first rounder either.

In my most recent mock I have us trading down to the second and taking Demarco Murray and Austin Pettis to add explosion to our offense since no defensive players will be able to add any explosion. I'm not happy with our DEs but they haven't taken the leash off of Sidbury first. He was good enough to warrant a second round grade and even shined in the preseason so he clearly has the talent. Plus there aren't any DEs in this draft with an elite first step to drool over.

[Kennesaw77]

Pettis isn't exactly explosive.

Some great DE's to look at (sr's only):

Greg Romeus

Sam Acho

Jeremy Beal

[vel]

Pettis isn't exactly explosive.

Some great DE's to look at (sr's only):

Greg Romeus

Sam Acho

Jeremy Beal

Greg Romeus isn't a sack machine. Will be available in the third. Could be a steal if he develops.

Pettis is capable of a big play (20+ yards). More than capable. Explosive doesn't only equal speed.

[Mr Pickle1]

If he comes out, Justin Houston is the guy.

I agree about Kerrigan, I want NO part of him in the 1st.

[head busta from augusta]

Greg Romeus isn't a sack machine. Will be available in the third. Could be a steal if he develops.

Pettis is capable of a big play (20+ yards). More than capable. Explosive doesn't only equal speed.

Vel don't waste your breath some people don't care what you do on the field as long as you can run a fast 40. Maybe we should scout track teams or change our name to the Raiders!

[head busta from augusta]

If he comes out, Justin Houston is the guy.

I agree about Kerrigan, I want NO part of him in the 1st.

Why not the guy has the most sacks and tfl in the past four year than anyone coming out?

Edited November 8, 2010 by head busta from augusta

[atljbo]

Allot of ppl are sleeping on Greg Romeus... No way in the world he makes it to the 3rd round unless he doesnt check out medically... If healthy.. The guy will be a 2nd round pick and with a really good post season (combine and workouts) he could slip into the end of the 1st round (just saying its a possibility)

He is a 2nd round pick if he gets a clean bill of health... He is stout enough against the run and has a great burst off the snap... He is just a lil raw.

But yea Rom should play in these last 4 games... He started practicing with the team in full pads

[Mr Pickle1]

Why not the guy has the most sacks and tfl in the past four year than anyone coming out?

He doesn't pop off the screen at me. His production is wonderful! I have no doubt he will find a job in the NFL.

To fill our need of a premium pass rusher? NO. We need a guy with killer quicks/speed/power, in addition to good moves and motor.

Kerrigan has good moves and a motor and solid quickness. That does not a blindside killer make. College production is not pro production, especially on the dline.

I like Kerrigan. I just don't love him enough to take him in the 1st over a guy like Houston, who was made to play the position.

[head busta from augusta]

He doesn't pop off the screen at me. His production is wonderful! I have no doubt he will find a job in the NFL.

To fill our need of a premium pass rusher? NO. We need a guy with killer quicks/speed/power, in addition to good moves and motor.

Kerrigan has good moves and a motor and solid quickness. That does not a blindside killer make. College production is not pro production, especially on the dline.

I like Kerrigan. I just don't love him enough to take him in the 1st over a guy like Houston, who was made to play the position.

He doesn't pop off screens? So let me get this straight you rather throw four years of outstanding productions out the window because you think a player doesn't pop of screens. Can't he be taught that? You guys are really taking this scouting thing a little to far.

College production is not pro production but it is a very good indicator, that probably why the most productive players get picked first. Or we can just waiting until the combine and pick all the really fast guys!

So if Houston doesn't declare, which I don't think he will then what?

[head busta from augusta]

Allot of ppl are sleeping on Greg Romeus... No way in the world he makes it to the 3rd round unless he doesnt check out medically... If healthy.. The guy will be a 2nd round pick and with a really good post season (combine and workouts) he could slip into the end of the 1st round (just saying its a possibility)

He is a 2nd round pick if he gets a clean bill of health... He is stout enough against the run and has a great burst off the snap... He is just a lil raw.

But yea Rom should play in these last 4 games... He started practicing with the team in full pads

I like Romeus alot but back injuries are scary because you don't know how that will affect a player moving forward. I do think he will fall out of the 1st round and it is something I have definitely kept my eye on.

[vel]

I like Romeus alot but back injuries are scary because you don't know how that will affect a player moving forward. I do think he will fall out of the 1st round and it is something I have definitely kept my eye on.

I agree. If it were any other injury and had he not gotten surgery then he would have a possible shot at 1st round but his ceiling is easily the 2nd round with a good offseason. I say he puts up an average offseason and is stuck in the third because of his injury. Now if he comes back and dominates then he can improve his stock but I highly doubt that happens.

His talent level keeps him from falling below the 3rd but his injury keeps him out of the 1st.

[Rai]

He doesn't pop off screens? So let me get this straight you rather throw four years of outstanding productions out the window because you think a player doesn't pop of screens. Can't he be taught that? You guys are really taking this scouting thing a little to far.

Epic fail...

[Mr Pickle1]

He doesn't pop off screens? So let me get this straight you rather throw four years of outstanding productions out the window because you think a player doesn't pop of screens. Can't he be taught that? You guys are really taking this scouting thing a little to far.

College production is not pro production but it is a very good indicator, that probably why the most productive players get picked first. Or we can just waiting until the combine and pick all the really fast guys!

So if Houston doesn't declare, which I don't think he will then what?

No, a player can't be taught to POP OFF THE SCREEN. You either have it, in terms of movement skills/power, or you don't, especially as an upperclassmen in college. Kerrigan has a bit of it. Houston has a lot more. Robert Quinn has a lot more. John Abraham has a lot more.

In terms of strength and athleticism, he looks a lot like Kroy Biermann to me. That's nice, it really is...but I don't want him over guys who look like John Abraham.

[head busta from augusta]

No, a player can't be taught to POP OFF THE SCREEN. You either have it, in terms of movement skills/power, or you don't, especially as an upperclassmen in college. Kerrigan has a bit of it. Houston has a lot more. Robert Quinn has a lot more. John Abraham has a lot more.

In terms of strength and athleticism, he looks a lot like Kroy Biermann to me. That's nice, it really is...but I don't want him over guys who look like John Abraham.

Two things "popping off screens" is the most important thing to be and DE. And players who pop off screen are born with this gift they don't practice it and it can't be taught. Why is popping off screens so important and why don't we hear more scouts and analysis talking about this inherit trait of "popping off screens".

Well I guess the the comparison between Abe & Biermann is good but, wouldn't it depend on which DE position they are playing? I think Biermann could play both positions because he has, but would you want Abe to play the RE position popping off screen included?

There is nothing wrong with having a second Kory Biermann on this team, I am pretty sure plenty of teams would love to have at least one. How many players do the Bears, Raiders and Panthers have that "pop off of screens" because they now lead the league in sacks.

[Mr Pickle1]

Two things "popping off screens" is the most important thing to be and DE. And players who pop off screen are born with this gift they don't practice it and it can't be taught. Why is popping off screens so important and why don't we hear more scouts and analysis talking about this inherit trait of "popping off screens".

Well I guess the the comparison between Abe & Biermann is good but, wouldn't it depend on which DE position they are playing? I think Biermann could play both positions because he has, but would you want Abe to play the RE position popping off screen included?

There is nothing wrong with having a second Kory Biermann on this team, I am pretty sure plenty of teams would love to have at least one. How many players do the Bears, Raiders and Panthers have that "pop off of screens" because they now lead the league in sacks.

They do talk about it. They may not use that exact word, but it simply refers to how physically dominant the players look when going against other players. Ndamokung Suh has it in spades. How quick/powerful/fast they are, and how they "pop"(meaning, who goes backward, and how fast, when they contact an opposing player) all go into making a player "pop off a (TV) screen."

Kroy Beirmann, whether he lines up at LE, RE, LB, WR, etc, will never, ever, ever "pop off the screen" like John Abraham does. Abe's burst, agility, and power are awe inspiring. Biermann's physical attributes are simply solid.

I'm not opposed to another Biermann either. Just not in the 1st, and not as Abe's replacement. Kroy has 1 sack this year. And that is with a John Abe and Babineaux to attract blocking attention away from him. I think he's due for more production than that, and see him as a very solid, 5-8 sack guy over a full season, most years. That isn't something I'd be happy with out of a 1st round pick, though, or with Abraham's replacement at RE. That is exactly what I see Kerrigan as.

Kerrigan has a tremendous motor, and excellent hand use and pass rush skills. He has decent size, and solid strength. The chances of Kerrigan failing to make a roster, or be a solid player, are very, very small.

BUT....

1. He's already pretty much completely developed. He's not getting faster,quicker, or going to become that much of a better technician. He's not going to start playing harder.

2. College OT's generally suck. Production against them, by itself, is very questionable, in terms of being a sack artist in the NFL.

3. His motor/technique, combined with solid physical tools, are way too much for most college OT's to handle. They will NOT be too much for solid pro OT's to handle. THey'll be able to outmatch his physical ability, and equal his technique. He doesn't have the physical tools to overpower/outrun pro tackles. So his production will come almost completely from motor. And while that can be solid, it is almost NEVER dominant.

4. In summary, high floor/low ceiling player.

Justin Houston is a physical freak who CAN physically outmatch many pro tackles. That means his production is far more projectible. And he's already quite productive.

He's medium floor/high ceiling. That's what I want out of a 1st rounder.

[Mr Pickle1]

The only two players from the falcons who have lots of sacks:

Babs

Abe

Both pop off the screen when watching them.

[Smiler11]

Justin Houston is a physical freak who CAN physically outmatch many pro tackles. That means his production is far more projectible. And he's already quite productive.

By physical, you mean speed? Kerrigan might just be the strongest DE in this draft, does that mean he is not a physical freak?

By speed, do you mean 40 time? I'm not sure most DE's ever have to run 40 yards. Kerrigan has one of the best 1st steps in this draft.

Edited November 8, 2010 by Smiler11

[Kennesaw77]

scouts definitely talk about popping off the tape. It is crucial to do this. You should easily be able to notice a really good player when watching tape. (Say when you watch LSU the first guy you notice on their defense is DT Drake Nevis)

An athletic DE is a must.

I firmly trust Bierrman as a starter and think he will continue to get better.

Abraham is still great for the next year or two but you can never have enough pass rushers.

[Snelling44]

lol @ people going in on Head Busta about Kerrigan. This is basically the same debate in the other thread.

It's pretty simple. We need a more athletic guy to strike fear into QB's off the blindside. We already have Kerrigan... his name is Kroy Biermann. Having both of them starting will not help our pass rush.

If we needed a LDE I would be all for the pick, but we don't.

Edited November 8, 2010 by Snelling44

[Kennesaw77]

lol @ people going in on Head Busta about Kerrigan. This is basically the same debate in the other thread.

It's petty simple. We need a more athletic guy to strike fear into QB's off the blindside. We already have Kerrigan... his name is Kroy Biermann. Having both of them starting will not help our pass rush.

If we needed a LDE I would be all for the pick, but we don't.

this. haha as usual Snelling you know what's up.

[Smiler11]

lol @ people going in on Head Busta about Kerrigan. This is basically the same debate in the other thread.

It's pretty simple. We need a more athletic guy to strike fear into QB's off the blindside. We already have Kerrigan... his name is Kroy Biermann. Having both of them starting will not help our pass rush.

If we needed a LDE I would be all for the pick, but we don't.

BUT, we do need a LDE. Abe, Biermann and Sidbury are all better suited to RDE. Getting pressure from the RDE spot has not been a problem, pressure from the LDE spot has been almost non-existant. Even Biermann's big plays have come from the RDE spot.

[head busta from augusta]

lol @ people going in on Head Busta about Kerrigan. This is basically the same debate in the other thread.

It's petty simple. We need a more athletic guy to strike fear into QB's off the blindside. We already have Kerrigan... his name is Kroy Biermann. Having both of them starting will not help our pass rush.

If we needed a LDE I would be all for the pick, but we don't.

People going in? Dude really! There is nothing hostile from the discussion in fact it is rather health. I'm pretty the sure the only people who think someone is going in on me is you and your GF Kenn! Either you haven't been on this MB long or you don't no me well. If anyone was seriously going in on me I live for those moments, check my resume playa or go as your GF Kenn!

If fact Snelling I think bust your head a couple of times earlier this year you and the Care Bear Crew. One thing I have noticed about you "you ain't $hyt without your homeboys"! You need people to carry you. How is the gang doing anyhow? Haven't hear any lame this just in jokes lately!

They don't call me headbusta for nothing go tell that!

[head busta from augusta]

Slurp, slurp, slurp! Ha..... ok my turn Snelling!

Boi Stop!

[Kennesaw77]

Boi Stop!

why are you so obsessed with gays?

why do you say nothing relevant?

Why do you bother posting here when you have no idea what you're saying?

Why are you not banned?

Edited November 8, 2010 by Kennesaw77