So Urban Meyer had a hand in getting the cam newton story out?

[SacFalcFan]

Jeff lee's post (covers auburn tigers for rivals):

I've spoken to two very trusted sources on the situation, and both said the following are facts:

* Florida coach Urban Myer, Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen and former Mississippi State quarterback John Bond had a telephone conversation recently to discuss the allegations.

* Meyer had an interest in this story getting out and encouraged Bond to do so.

* Mullen told the two he thought they should move on, let it go, regardless of what was being alleged. Meyer said no, that it needed to get out to the media.

* Kenny Rogers, who is alleged to have sought money, is a desperate individual that was trying to get Cam Newton to go to Mississippi State. Rogers has a checkered past that includes an ongoing investigation by the NFL.

I'll have a story up soon with more information.

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There is a story on the front page, but for auburn subscribers only with a picture of urban meyer saying meyer involved?

http://auburn.rivals.com/

[Lennon]

He's a rat.

[Xnex]

He's a rat.

If you found out that Richt played a part in reporting Meyer to the SEC/NCAA would you feel the same way about him too.

[kicker_jesus]

He's a rat.

Meyer or Jeff Lee?!?!

[ATLBrave]

If you found out that Richt played a part in reporting Meyer to the SEC/NCAA would you feel the same way about him too.

Why do people always play this stupid "what if" game? He is what he is, and no affiliation will change that.

[Lennon]

If you found out that Richt played a part in reporting Meyer to the SEC/NCAA would you feel the same way about him too.

Meyer is in the right in this situation, I just wanted to call him a rat.

[Xnex]

Why do people always play this stupid "what if" game? He is what he is, and no affiliation will change that.

What does that mean? Why are you even saying that?

I only wanted to know if Lennon would call Richt a rat if he were the one who was turning in another SEC coach. After reading Lennon's response to me, I understand why he said what he said and I'm glad to hear him say that Meyer was correct in this case.

[SacFalcFan]

If you found out that Richt played a part in reporting Meyer to the SEC/NCAA would you feel the same way about him too.

hey man.. i think what is being reported is meyer was part of the story being leaked and getting out in the public and he was part of turning them in. i haven't read the article so I can't verify, but i think that is the case.. so yes i would have a problem if cmr was behind the leaking of this story, that is not a head coach's job to be behind leaking this type of info. i know of a situation where 2 of our rivals cheated and cmr handled it through the sec commissioner's and compliance and nothing went public with it and CMR had every right to go public with it if he wanted to. i personally don't have an issue with a coach who talks to the ncaa about an issue such as this, but he better be sure his program is 100% clean or he will be next.

this is what i know of this morning:

florida was one of a few teams who turned in this situation. Also mullen did not turn anyone in, it was a mississippi state booster who did. The MSU booster made msu compliance aware of it and that was how it was reported from the msu side who then got the sec involved.

[Xnex]

hey man.. i don't agree with the what if games either, but i think what is being reported is meyer was part of the story being leaked and getting out in the public. i haven't read the article so I can't verify, but i think that is the case.. so yes i would have a problem if cmr was behind the leaking of this story, that is not a head coach's job to be behind leaking this type of info. i know of a situation where 2 of our rivals cheated and cmr handled it through the sec commissioner's and compliance and nothing went public with it and CMR had every right to go public with it if he wanted to.

I see nothing wrong with asking "what if". It can get to the heart of why people feel the way they feel. It's an easy question to answer; doesn't require any thought in all honesty. Generally speaking those "what if" questions can determine if someone's ethics are written in stone, or if they are situational ethics. Now I understand what you're saying about Richt not turning someone in from another program for cheating, but the Meyer situation isn't necessarily like that. It's not obvious that Meyer is accusing anyone at Auburn of cheating.

But it does seem that Meyer wants this story to come out because it deals with people acting as a type of agent or a runner for an agent. With the attention that has been brought to the agent situation this season it makes sense that Meyer would want this story to get out. And when you consider that both Meyer and Saban were recently involved in that ad-hoc panel that included NFLPA reps, and reps from the NFL itself that dealt with situations of extra benefits it makes even more sense that this story ought to be exposed.

[SacFalcFan]

I see nothing wrong with asking "what if". It can get to the heart of why people feel the way they feel. It's an easy question to answer; doesn't require any thought in all honesty. Generally speaking those "what if" questions can determine if someone's ethics are written in stone, or if they are situational ethics. Now I understand what you're saying about Richt not turning someone in from another program for cheating, but the Meyer situation isn't necessarily like that. It's not obvious that Meyer is accusing anyone at Auburn of cheating.

But it does seem that Meyer wants this story to come out because it deals with people acting as a type of agent or a runner for an agent. With the attention that has been brought to the agent situation this season it makes sense that Meyer would want this story to get out. And when you consider that both Meyer and Saban were recently involved in that ad-hoc panel that included NFLPA reps, and reps from the NFL itself that dealt with situations of extra benefits it makes even more sense that this story ought to be exposed.

yeah xnex we won't agree on that regarding what if's.. frankly that doesn't have much to do with anything because every situation is different even in situations when actions are the same. Like I said it's not meyer's job to be part of leaking this type of story and it does nothing regarding the agent scandel. This was going to come out, but it's a very impt tool in helping recruiting players that have auburn in their list. If anyone was going to leak it dan mullen would have been the coach to do it since he was the one most affected by the cam situation. meyer should not have been involved in the leaking of this story period. That is if he was involved in the leaking of it.. that's why the question mark.

[SacFalcFan]

i also heard that trooper taylor is in some big trouble here.. not sure if true, but that's what i heard this morning.

[ATLBrave]

What does that mean? Why are you even saying that?

I only wanted to know if Lennon would call Richt a rat if he were the one who was turning in another SEC coach. After reading Lennon's response to me, I understand why he said what he said and I'm glad to hear him say that Meyer was correct in this case.

The "what if" this was your coach/player/team/school, etc game that people love to play here or anywhere else. It's not that difficult to understand what I am saying.

[Xnex]

yeah xnex we won't agree on that regarding what if's.. frankly that doesn't have much to do with anything because every situation is different even in situations when actions are the same. Frankly it's not meyer's job to be part of leaking this type of story and it does nothing regarding the agent scandel. This was going to come out, but it's a very impt tool in helping recruiting players that have auburn in their list. If anyone was going to leak it dan mullen would have been the coach to do it since he was the one most affected by the cam situation. meyer should not have been involved in the leaking of this story period.

Well like I said earlier I don't think that particular question was going to devolve into anything. I like to ask questions if I think there is an ulterior motive to a comment. Once Lennon responded and made clear his thoughts on the issue I was through with it.

But as much as Meyer is despised here, I think he may be trying to take a leadership position in bringing information to light about people outside of the universities having undue influence on a college player or team. Maybe he has an ulterior motive; but maybe he is doing what he can do to prevent outside influences from further corrupting NCAA players?

The one guy that supposedly asked for the money is already under NFL investigation, I think. Meyer has met recently with various members of other groups who appear to be interested in helping the NCAA get a handle on the situation. So maybe Meyer is doing all he can do to show everyone what type of behavior the coach's have to deal with from outside parties.

[SacFalcFan]

But as much as Meyer is despised here, I think he may be trying to take a leadership position in bringing information to light about people outside of the universities having undue influence on a college player or team. Maybe he has an ulterior motive; but maybe he is doing what he can do to prevent outside influences from further corrupting NCAA players?

The one guy that supposedly asked for the money is already under NFL investigation, I think. Meyer has met recently with various members of other groups who appear to be interested in helping the NCAA get a handle on the situation. So maybe Meyer is doing all he can do to show everyone what type of behavior the coach's have to deal with from outside parties.

Xnex the ncaa has been working on this issue and i disagree with most of the above of what you said. The only person who has any business leaking this would be Dan Mullen not urban meyer. This story would have come out and leaking it does nothing to stop recruits from being taken advantage or nor is there any spin to say it's a good thing if he was part of this leak. They have already met with the nfl and ncaa on this stuff, releasing this information to the media does not add to anything they have been trying since both principle parties were already aware of this situation. The only thing leaking this does is help teams who are recruiting against Auburn for players. Florida did the right thing turning this stuff in, but don't spin or pretend that if meyer was involved in this leak for some noble purpose.

[Mr Pickle1]

Although I'm not necessarily opposed to Meyer bringing out this info, when you have players making misogynistic death threats, and they are still on your team despite one of your core values being "respect to women," you should probably stay out of other people's business.

I won't call him a rat, just that he should focus on his own issues, rather than tattling on someone else.

[Xnex]

The "what if" this was your coach/player/team/school, etc game that people love to play here or anywhere else. It's not that difficult to understand what I am saying.

If I asked the question I was unclear on what you were saying or at least why you were saying it. And if I am just the village idiot who is incapable of understanding basic logic then feel free not to respond to my requests for calrification as I am likely unable to understand it even if you waste your time by typing it. File that away in your memory banks and you won't need to waste your time with my foolishness going forward.

[KeepItDownHomeCuz]

Now I really hope if we make it to Atlanta that the corch wins out and we get to lay the hammer down

[Xnex]

Now I really hope if we make it to Atlanta that the corch wins out and we get to lay the hammer down

Look man, I need all the help I can get in getting the Gamecocks to Atlanta. You need to give up the hate, and join with me in pulling for South Carolina.

[SacFalcFan]

Look man, I need all the help I can get in getting the Gamecocks to Atlanta. You need to give up the hate, and join with me in pulling for South Carolina.

yep south carolina needs all the good mojo they can get.. you guys can ride lattimore to the title game.

[itsjustafleshwound]

Meyer is in the right in this situation, I just wanted to call him a rat.

I share your sentiments on this matter. If Auburn cheated and are reaping ill-gotten rewards at the expense of all the other SEC teams, why not expose them? While I'm not sure if Auburn cheated, I'll say that if Auburn cheated, Meyer did what he should have done. At the same time, I'll join Lennon in saying that Urban is a RAT. Coach Urban Meyer is a RAT. Ok, thats my two cents.

[capologist]

I don't trust anyone that can't spell a coach's name right...

[Carter]

While it remains to be proven, it is believable given Meyer's position in the whole situation of agents and student-athletes.

It can be argued either way... that he did the right thing or he has an ulterior motive. Ultimately both are true. Putting Auburn in a hole certainly helps UF when it comes to recruits, but it also helps UGA and others trying to get recruits that are high or committed to AU.

The bottom line, to me, (if this is true) is that Meyer took action when no one else would. It may be true that this would come to light eventually, but if Cam Newton did in fact take money to attend Auburn (and in fact that money was required to get him signed anywhere) then his image and their season deserve to have mud all over their face well before it is in the rear view.

[Xnex]

While it remains to be proven, it is believable given Meyer's position in the whole situation of agents and student-athletes.

It can be argued either way... that he did the right thing or he has an ulterior motive. Ultimately both are true. Putting Auburn in a hole certainly helps UF when it comes to recruits, but it also helps UGA and others trying to get recruits that are high or committed to AU.

The bottom line, to me, (if this is true) is that Meyer took action when no one else would. It may be true that this would come to light eventually, but if Cam Newton did in fact take money to attend Auburn (and in fact that money was required to get him signed anywhere) then his image and their season deserve to have mud all over their face well before it is in the rear view.

I agree with you. Maybe it was purely self-serving, or maybe he did it(if true) because he thought it was the correct thing to do. Unless someone here was in the room when he did whatever he did then none of us know the motives behind his supposed actions.

[aPureTerror]

Now I really hope if we make it to Atlanta that the corch wins out and we get to lay the hammer down

:P

[Billy Ocean]