Another reason to claim Randy Moss

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Adam_Schefter One more reason to claim WR Randy Moss: team that loses him this off-season in free agency could get back a compensatory draft pick.

If New England re-claim Moss, they could in effect get 2 draft picks for only losing him for a few games!

[Same Ol Falcons]

Patriots without Moss = 3-0

Vikings with Moss = 0-3

And I rest my case

[Dem Birds]

Patriots without Moss = 3-0

Vikings with Moss = 0-3

And I rest my case

Patriots QB: Still in prime.

Vikings QB: 40 years old.

Patriots head coach; One of the best ever.

Vikings head coach: One of the worst in the league.

[Smiler11]

Team by team interest in Randy Moss:

http://sports.espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/30766/possible-interest-in-randy-moss

Atlanta Falcons

It might be a little tempting to think about the possibility of giving Matt Ryan one more toy that could truly put the Falcons over the top. But the Falcons already have a great No. 1 receiver in Roddy White and a nice role player in Michael Jenkins.

[Smiler11]

The Vikings have decided to end Randy Moss' brief second tenure in Minnesota just weeks after acquiring him from the New England Patriots, according to his agent and teammates.

Teams now have a shot at claiming Moss and paying him $3.388 million for the rest of the season. The league's waiver claiming priority is based on inverse order of the current standings. If two or more clubs are tied in the standings, ties are broken by strength of schedule and by a team's opponents' record.

A team claiming a waived player claims his contract. If a waived player is not claimed, he is a free agent. Here is the league's current waiver order.

NFL waiver order

Team Win Loss Tie Percent Schedule strength Opp record

1. Buffalo Bills 0 7 0 0.000 0.667 34-17-0

2. Carolina Panthers 1 6 0 0.143 0.519 27-25-0

3. Dallas Cowboys 1 6 0 0.143 0.549 28-23-0

4. San Francisco 49ers 2 6 0 0.250 0.508 30-29-0

5. Denver Broncos 2 6 0 0.250 0.559 33-26-0

6. Detroit Lions 2 5 0 0.286 0.538 28-24-0

7. Minnesota Vikings 2 5 0 0.286 0.549 28-23-0

8. Cincinnati Bengals 2 5 0 0.286 0.571 28-21-0

9. Cleveland Browns 2 5 0 0.286 0.640 32-18-0

10. San Diego Chargers 3 5 0 0.375 0.583 35-25-0

11. Arizona Cardinals 3 4 0 0.429 0.566 30-23-0

12. Jacksonville Jaguars 4 4 0 0.500 0.414 24-34-0

13. St. Louis Rams 4 4 0 0.500 0.441 26-33-0

14. Oakland Raiders 4 4 0 0.500 0.450 27-33-0

15. Washington Redskins 4 4 0 0.500 0.500 28-28-0

16. Seattle Seahawks 4 3 0 0.571 0.407 22-32-0

17. Chicago Bears 4 3 0 0.571 0.431 22-29-0

18. Miami Dolphins # 4 3 0 0.571 0.500 25-25-0

19. Philadelphia Eagles # 4 3 0 0.571 0.500 27-27-0

20. Green Bay Packers # 5 3 0 0.625 0.439 25-32-0

21. New Orleans Saints # 5 3 0 0.625 0.439 25-32-0

22. Tennessee Titans 5 3 0 0.625 0.467 28-32-0

23. Houston Texans 4 2 0 0.667 0.535 23-20-0

24. Indianapolis Colts 4 2 0 0.667 0.545 24-20-0

25. Kansas City Chiefs 5 2 0 0.714 0.380 19-31-0

26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 5 2 0 0.714 0.431 22-29-0

27. New York Giants 5 2 0 0.714 0.438 21-27-0

28. Baltimore Ravens 5 2 0 0.714 0.440 22-28-0

29. Atlanta Falcons 5 2 0 0.714 0.451 23-28-0

30. New York Jets 5 2 0 0.714 0.471 24-27-0

31. Pittsburgh Steelers 5 2 0 0.714 0.608 31-20-0

32. New England Patriots 6 1 0 0.857 0.420 21-29-0

#: Subject to coin flip

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/30725/nfl-waiver-claim-order

There is almost no point in us trying to claim Moss, as there are 28 other teams who would have to pass him up. Plus, if he did clear all 28 teams before us, we might as well wait to see if he clears waivers, then we, or any other team, could pick him up for the vet minimum.

[Tandy]

So, Schefter thinks that it's worth paying 3.8 million for a compensatory pick :wacko:

[Mr Pickle1]

So, Schefter thinks that it's worth paying 3.8 million for a compensatory pick :wacko:

Um...hello Tandy?

I'm an uncapped year. Because of me, that's basically like asking if you'd like to buy draft picks. How many owners would be up for a system that allows you to simply purchase draft picks? All of the ones with money who want their teams to do good.

I think we have one of those in A. Blank.

Downside: Arthurs spends 3.8 Million

Upside: We got a 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick. Harry Douglas/Decoud/Corey Peters/Chris Owens. Wouldn't it be nice to have an extra one of those, with no real penalty to the team?

ADDITIONAL AND OVERRIDING UPSIDE NOT MENTIONED BY YOU: 9 games of another no. 1 type receiver who is a massive, massive upgrade to Michael Jenkins in everything but blocking, where he is a massive downgrade.

You pay the 3.8 mill to get Moss for 9 games and the playoffs. The draft pick is like a complimentary throw in. He's well worth the money.

[Roudy1234]

Patriots without Moss = 3-0

Vikings with Moss = 0-3

And I rest my case

Vikings are 1-3 with Moss first of all, and he's playing with a QB who's falling apart week by week.

And the Patriots are 3-0 without moss but they were also 3-1 with him, with 1 close loss coming on the road to a very tough Jets team so your argument doesn't make sense at all.

[Smiler11]

So, Schefter thinks that it's worth paying 3.8 million for a compensatory pick :wacko:

A likely 3rd round comp pick and Moss for the rest of the year - I think there are a few owners out there that would pay $3.8M.

[Tandy]

Um...hello Tandy?

I'm an uncapped year. Because of me, that's basically like asking if you'd like to buy draft picks. How many owners would be up for a system that allows you to simply purchase draft picks? All of the ones with money who want their teams to do good.

I think we have one of those in A. Blank.

Downside: Arthurs spends 3.8 Million

Upside: We got a 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick. Harry Douglas/Decoud/Corey Peters/Chris Owens. Wouldn't it be nice to have an extra one of those, with no real penalty to the team?

ADDITIONAL AND OVERRIDING UPSIDE NOT MENTIONED BY YOU: 9 games of another no. 1 type receiver who is a massive, massive upgrade to Michael Jenkins in everything but blocking, where he is a massive downgrade.

You pay the 3.8 mill to get Moss for 9 games and the playoffs. The draft pick is like a complimentary throw in. He's well worth the money.

Name me the 28 teams that pass on him to get to the 29th pick.

If you think 3.8 million is such chump change - shell it out!

[Tandy]

A likely 3rd round comp pick and Moss for the rest of the year - I think there are a few owners out there that would pay $3.8M.

First - a 3rd round compensatory pick is really a 4th round pick which can not be traded or switched. This is a pick that comes after the 3rd round, so technically - it falls where the 4th round starts.

Second - Moss went to the Vikings and played 4 games - they lost 3. So, adding him did not magically create a win.

Third - The Vikings have paid over 3 million for him and yet - they choose to waive him without getting compensation? Hmmm - have to wonder about that.

Fourth - What does this have to do with the Falcons? We are 29th on the Waiver list - 28 teams would have to pass on him first.

Like you said - there are a few owners out there with less business sense than others.

[falconidae]

Um...hello Tandy?

I'm an uncapped year. Because of me, that's basically like asking if you'd like to buy draft picks. How many owners would be up for a system that allows you to simply purchase draft picks? All of the ones with money who want their teams to do good.

I think we have one of those in A. Blank.

Downside: Arthurs spends 3.8 Million

Upside: We got a 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick. Harry Douglas/Decoud/Corey Peters/Chris Owens. Wouldn't it be nice to have an extra one of those, with no real penalty to the team?

ADDITIONAL AND OVERRIDING UPSIDE NOT MENTIONED BY YOU: 9 games of another no. 1 type receiver who is a massive, massive upgrade to Michael Jenkins in everything but blocking, where he is a massive downgrade.

You pay the 3.8 mill to get Moss for 9 games and the playoffs. The draft pick is like a complimentary throw in. He's well worth the money.

The bolded part is what I disagree with. The Vikings have given up on Moss twice, the Pats once. Two teams without a deep threat let one of the best deep threats of his generation go. Vikings gave up on Moss after giving up a 3rd round pick to get him-that should tell you something.

The penalty is having a player who takes way too many plays off. Who complains about the team meal, who rambles on during press conferences about how much he likes his former team, this after a game where he quit on a pass that would have been a TD if he'd just run his route.

Everyone who wants Moss on this team is remembering the Moss from a few years ago and overlooking his numerous flaws as a player and a teammate.

[DemDirtyBirds4]

Name me the 28 teams that pass on him to get to the 29th pick.

If you think 3.8 million is such chump change - shell it out!

Yeah I dont see anyway he falls to 29th. Also I am pretty sure A. Blank could afford it.

[Tandy]

Yeah I dont see anyway he falls to 29th. Also I am pretty sure A. Blank could afford it.

Not a matter of affording it - it's whether it makes sense. If you are only talking about having him for the final 9 games of the year - and potential post season - WHICH is additional cost by the way - and he has not improved the team he went to in the win column - nor hurt the team he left - AND he is not a blocking receiver and we are a run-first power team that demands blocking from our receivers - AND you have arguably developed one of the most win-oriented, chemistry driven teams and the guy is having problems recently on the last 2 teams with chemistry - Does it make sense?

That is only IF he stood a chance in he.. of getting past 28.

[TeamPlayer1]

The Falcons don't need a quitter WR.

[DemDirtyBirds4]

Not a matter of affording it - it's whether it makes sense. If you are only talking about having him for the final 9 games of the year - and potential post season - WHICH is additional cost by the way - and he has not improved the team he went to in the win column - nor hurt the team he left - AND he is not a blocking receiver and we are a run-first power team that demands blocking from our receivers - AND you have arguably developed one of the most win-oriented, chemistry driven teams and the guy is having problems recently on the last 2 teams with chemistry - Does it make sense?

That is only IF he stood a chance in he.. of getting past 28.

IF he made it past 28, which I dont think is possible, I would take the chance. The Vikings were in trouble before Moss and now they are really just using him as the scapegoat for why the suck. They are VERY unstable right now and I really dont think Childress is qualified to coach high school football. Teddy B. said on ESPN that if you have a grown man at head coach and a solid locker room you should go pick this guy up. We have both those things and more than enough players to keep Moss in line. But in the end none of this matters because I dont see him falling to us.

Edited November 2, 2010 by DemDirtyBirds4

[4LoveoftheGame]

I would say put a claim on him, no way he falls that far to us but if he did it make our offense a little scary and open things up more for White and the other receivers.

Looks like right now he is going to the Rams and if he does I hope he is not a factor when we play them.

[Joremarid]

So, Schefter thinks that it's worth paying 3.8 million for a compensatory pick :wacko:

Yes of course. Why would you not want to buy a draft pick if you can?

[birds_till_death]

IF he made it past 28, which I dont think is possible, I would take the chance. The Vikings were in trouble before Moss and now they are really just using him as the scapegoat for why the suck. They are VERY unstable right now and I really dont think Childress is qualified to coach high school football. Teddy B. said on ESPN that if you have a grown man at head coach and a solid locker room you should go pick this guy up. We have both those things and more than enough player to keep Moss in line. But in the end none of this matters because I dont see him falling to us.

But the patriots have one of the strongest head coaches and locker rooms and they let him go because he was becoming a distraction to there locker room (and now it looks like they are going to get a very early third round pick :ph34r: )

I say put in a request, if he gets to us, take him and put him on IR. No cancer issues, and you bought a fourth round draft pick(good thing it's not my money)

[Faithful Falcon]

Patriots without Moss = 3-0

Vikings with Moss = 0-3

And I rest my case

What about 2007-2009?

[Tandy]

What about 2007-2009?

2001 without Moss = 14 wins - 5 losses - Superbowl Champions

2002 without Moss = 9 wins - 7 losses - NO PLAYOFFS

2003 without Moss = 17 wins - 2 losses - Superbowl Champions

2004 without Moss = 17 wins - 2 losses - Superbowl Champions

2005 without Moss = 11 wins - 7 losses - lost in Conference Championship game

2006 without Moss = 14 wins - 5 losses - lost in Conference Championship game

2007 with Moss = 18 wins - 1 loss - AFC Champions - Lost in Superbowl

2008 with Moss = 11 wins - 5 losses - NO PLAYOFFS

2009 with Moss = 10 wins - 7 losses - lost in Wild Card playoff game

2010 with Moss = 3 wins - 1 loss

2010 without Moss = 3 wins - 0 losses

[youngbloodz]

Patriots without Moss = 3-0

Vikings with Moss = 0-3

And I rest my case

If that's your reason to not get Moss than you should shoot yourself. Just say you don't want him. Pats with Moss was 3-1.

[DemDirtyBirds4]

But the patriots have one of the strongest head coaches and locker rooms and they let him go because he was becoming a distraction to there locker room (and now it looks like they are going to get a very early third round pick :ph34r: )

I say put in a request, if he gets to us, take him and put him on IR. No cancer issues, and you bought a fourth round draft pick(good thing it's not my money)

Why does everyone assume Moss was a problem in NE? Because they traded him? They also had no trouble trading Mike Vrable and Richard Seymore. Thats what the Pats do, when you get older they get what they can for you instead of just letting you walk at the end of the season. Its just smart, they knew they were not going to resign him so they got what they could for him. But like most people you just make assumptions about a player.

[Tandy]

Why does everyone assume Moss was a problem in NE? Because they traded him? They also had no trouble trading Mike Vrable and Richard Seymore. Thats what the Pats do, when you get older they get what they can for you instead of just letting you walk at the end of the season. Its just smart, they knew they were not going to resign him so they got what they could for him. But like most people you just make assumptions about a player.

Bruschi said there was a problem. He "interpreted" the coach-speak of Belichick. Now, he could be wrong - but he knows him pretty well and he knows most of those guys in the locker room. He said the problem wasn't between Belichick and Moss - but other coaches and players and Moss.

[Joremarid]

NE probably claims him off waivers and walks away with minnesota's third round pick and a conditional third round pick.