UGA: the turning point

[capologist]

I think you mean faced FSU in the Sugar Bowl, but I get what you're getting at and I don't really disagree.

Yep, FSU--got my years mixed up.

[capologist]

One rival does not define uga nor sums up uga cappy. As I said there are plenty of examples of when loses to the vols, uf, or auburn hurt uga historically. Not one rival when you have 4 yearly sums up your team. Each year is different. The year you are thinking of is 2007 and if we beat the vols that year we are in the sec title game with a chance at the title game. The other year we lost to uf was in 2002 and if we win we have a chance to make the title game that year with it coming down to uga/ohio state for the final spot. if you look historically we lost a number of times to auburn when we had a chance for a special year that ruined it and we have done the same to them. we are one of a few teams that has soooo many long historically rivalries. why stop at 21 years, let's look at 40 years worth of rivalries. During CMR's tenure we have had 2 teams that could have won national titles and a vols loss hurt one while a uf loss hurt the other.

It might not be our biggest game each year (referring to tech and winning the sec), but it's the "get coach fired" game. Our standard isn't Tech. Our basement is. If we can't beat them, we fire the coach. It's been that way since the 40's.

Dooley was a lot like CMR. He struggled against certain teams at certain times, but he beat the heck outta Tech, especially at first and in the end. Heck, he beat them 19 times I think.

I know you don't think it does, I've read that three times now. The year in particular was 2002 and you guys were ahead of OSU in the BCS when the loss to us happened. If not for that loss, you guys would have had a shot at the BCS. I know the UT game is important but it happens so early in the season that it's overcomeable if you run the table. Why stop at 21 years? Well, because that's when the problem with UF started (again). It's currently UGA's biggest stumbling block and it's what keeps them on the outside looking in. Let's face it, outside of the Zook years and the year where we lost 15 guys (or something like that), UGA has played 2nd or 3rd fiddle in the East. If the record was reversed and UGA had won 18 of the last 21, things would be a lot different.

I don't think Richt is the guy to get you guys over the hump. Yes, he's a very good coach but I still think he's too nice...

[SacFalcFan]

The only two years we have had a chance at the title we lost to ut and we lost to uf. losing to uf is not what is keeping us out of the title game in most years it's a combination of losing to auburn, the vols, south carolina, or to uf (see during richt's tenure 2001, 2002 and 2003 even with uf loss made title game, 2004 beat uf and didn't make title game due to vol loss, 2005 loss to uf and made title game, 2006 uf had zero to do with our season outcome, 2007 loss to the vols hurt us while we beat uf, 2008 if we beat uf we have a chance at the sec title, but no national title, 2009 the uf losses didn't hurt us all of the other losses did, and the same with 2010 going 1-4 we were doom at that point. With south carolina now that game is as impt to us because no time have we lost to south carolina have we made it to the title game. Also you don't just go back 21 years, you go back 40 since we are talking about rivalries and the affects they have on us is losing to the them. we haven't been hurt just losing to uf in a number of years since other losses on our schedule were just as hard on us in our chances to win the SEC. We will disagree on richt, i think he is the guy to get us back at a high level.

[capologist]

The only two years we have had a chance at the title we lost to ut and we lost to uf. losing to uf is not what is keeping us out of the title game in most years it's a combination of losing to auburn, the vols, south carolina, or to uf (see during richt's tenure 2001, 2002 and 2003 even with uf loss made title game, 2004 beat uf and didn't make title game due to vol loss, 2005 loss to uf and made title game, 2006 uf had zero to do with our season outcome, 2007 loss to the vols hurt us while we beat uf, 2008 if we beat uf we have a chance at the sec title, but no national title, 2009 the uf losses didn't hurt us all of the other losses did, and the same with 2010 going 1-4 we were doom at that point. With south carolina now that game is as impt to us because no time have we lost to south carolina have we made it to the title game. Also you don't just go back 21 years, you go back 40 since we are talking about rivalries and the affects they have on us is losing to the them. we haven't been hurt just losing to uf in a number of years since other losses on our schedule were just as hard on us in our chances to win the SEC. We will disagree on richt, i think he is the guy to get us back at a high level.

I don't agree with the 40 year thing. Who really cares what the impact was in the 70's or 80's, the SEC was entirely different back then and has no relevance on today. The only thing that should be looked at is when the SEC split into divisions and a championship game has been played for the SEC.

Yep, we'll disagree on Richt and if I'm wrong, I'll eat crow on that...

[SacFalcFan]

I don't agree with the 40 year thing. Who really cares what the impact was in the 70's or 80's, the SEC was entirely different back then and has no relevance on today. The only thing that should be looked at is when the SEC split into divisions and a championship game has been played for the SEC.

Yep, we'll disagree on Richt and if I'm wrong, I'll eat crow on that...

well the basis of the discussion it does matter when we are discussing rivalries. also i broke down the 10 years with cmr on board and i am correct in my comments on the importance of the other sec rivalry games we play. the uf rivalry as I have said was proven in those 10 years to not define or sum up uga at all. As you see from the facts I listed losses to our other rivals (among other sec games) were more detrimental to our standing in league play than losing to uf. Breakdown is below (pulled it from the post not sure if you saw it or not)

(see during richt's tenure 2001, 2002 and 2003 even with uf loss made title game, 2004 beat uf and didn't make title game due to vol loss, 2005 loss to uf and made title game, 2006 uf had zero to do with our season outcome, 2007 loss to the vols hurt us while we beat uf, 2008 if we beat uf we have a chance at the sec title, but no national title, 2009 the uf losses didn't hurt us all of the other losses did, and the same with 2010 going 1-4 we were doom at that point)

Well CMR is going to be here for a number of more years so we will see what happens.

[Billy Ocean]

I'll betcha Richt considers Florida the biggest rival, even if he can't come out and say it.

One of the most popular questions Richt gets on the rubber chicken circuit will continue to be some form of, "Why can't we beat Florida?".

[SacFalcFan]

I'll betcha Richt considers Florida the biggest rival, even if he can't come out and say it.

One of the most popular questions Richt gets on the rubber chicken circuit will continue to be some form of, "Why can't we beat Florida?".

well per richt he said you don't know how big of a rivalry it is until you lose to tech. that was all that was talked about when he was visiting the clubs. i was at 3 of his visits that offseason. i asked him about that (regarding the rivalries) he said that he feels all of the rivals are very important and have an affect on the season for uga and he also said that we have made the sec title during his tenure in years we lost to uf (2002, 2003, and 2005). he even commented on that publicly a few years ago as well. you should read mcgarity's thoughts on our rivalries.

[Billy Ocean]

well per richt he said you don't know how big of a rivalry it is until you lose to tech. that was all that was talked about when he was visiting the clubs. i was at 3 of his visits that offseason. i asked him about that (regarding the rivalries) he said that he feels all of the rivals are very important and have an affect on the season for uga and he also said that we have made the sec title during his tenure in years we lost to uf (2002, 2003, and 2005). he even commented on that publicly a few years ago as well. you should read mcgarity's thoughts on our rivalries.

He got the Tech question one year, which is a testament to him. He gets the Florida question seemingly every year. And we all know that the coach and AD will give political answers to basically any question. Few coaches display true candor like a Spurrier.

[SacFalcFan]

He got the Tech question one year, which is a testament to him. He gets the Florida question seemingly every year. And we all know that the coach and AD will give political answers to basically any question. Few coaches display true candor like a Spurrier.

that year he lost to tech and uf and on the circuit almost all of the talk was about georgia tech.. mcgarity and cmr are telling it like it is regarding our rivals even if you don't agree with them or believe them. cmr has been very clear privately and publicly on the importance of all of our rivals and cmr was taken aback by the reaction after losing to tech 1 time.

[ChuyDawg]

I respect all of our rivalries and especially the UF rivalry. UF is a team that gets under our skin more and more every year. The fact that they have owned the last 20 years just adds to the hatred, any logical UGA fan will tell you that. But with all due respect to our SEC rivals, they all fall short of Tech. Losing to Tech is like losing to your little brother. Being the instate rival adds to the fire, gotta keep bragging rights every year especially when you see Tech people around you all the time. Tech is MUST WIN every year. Apologies to our SEC rivals, but Tech is the rivalry that matters to me the most.

[Carter]

So do you have a tracking device that gives you this % of when I post and the subjects I post about? Or did you pull thus % out if your rear? When did I call Richt a dirtbag? Richt is by far one of the few ncaaf HC that has class. He's a great guy. I've met him a few times and enjoyed hearing his speeches. I'm sure Sac will back me when I have stated many of times my support for Richt. Such as when he finally fired Willie. When the media was bashing Richt for losing Kirby & saying the ship was sinking. I was here defending him. I was here when he hired TG. A great hire IMO. I was here during the 3 game winning streak vs SEC teams. I'm here for the wins and the loses, no matter what your tracking device says.

Why get so upset over a fan having a different view of the state of the .program and where its heading? Makes no sense at all. I've stated I would eat my crow if in fact Richt does turn things around. So relax. Dont get so bent out if shape over a fans opinion. No matter what I say if do...MJ matter what you say or do...we dint have the power to change a thing. Richt and Richt alone will either save his job or get himself fired. He's going to get at least one more year to do it. I hope he does....would love to eat the crow.

I pulled it out of my rear. And laughed about it. :unsure:

I'm not upset about anyone having a differing opinion, I get upset at the knee jerk reactions and perspectives that only consider a very small portion of the full picture. You are as free as a bird to believe what you want about Richt and where the Georgia football program is headed under him, but I have a different opinion and I am going to challenge yours (or anyone else) any time I see arguments presented and campaigns forged that establish 8% of the total picture as being the full reality.

[Billy Ocean]

I pulled it out of my rear. And laughed about it. :unsure:

I once played golf with a proctologist. You'd be surprised - people apparently put the darndest things up their rear.

[sdogg]

I pulled it out of my rear. And laughed about it. :unsure:

I'm not upset about anyone having a differing opinion, I get upset at the knee jerk reactions and perspectives that only consider a very small portion of the full picture. You are as free as a bird to believe what you want about Richt and where the Georgia football program is headed under him, but I have a different opinion and I am going to challenge yours (or anyone else) any time I see arguments presented and campaigns forged that establish 8% of the total picture as being the full reality.

Again, my opinion is not based off this one loss. Pay attention. If your going to debate someone's opinion, bring facts and not made up BS and just flat out lies...ie me only coming here when UGA loses, 94% of my posts are negative, I called Richt a dirtbag, knee jerk reaction to one game....etc...etc.

You should do more research on Richts full body of work. Not just his first 5 years.

[Dawgy]

Guys-- let's look at the facts. I posted this a couple of months ago. Since 2001 till now, our offense has been pretty steady every in terms of points scored and national ranking- FACT (the T/O last year being an aberration). As a matter of fact, our O has had BETTER outcomes in terms of points scored, first downs, 3rd down conversion, red zone %, even TD/interceptions ratio etc... all the important metrics,... since BOBO became the O coordinator. That is just a fact and irrefutable. So, if someone is judging Bobo, I'd sure like to see an objectve reason for it as oppoosed to gut feel or a game viewing- I understand this is not a popular opinion, but facts are facts. Anyway, the only thing I'm really saying is that the O has been pretty stable the entire time.

MORE IMPORTANTLY--

Since 2005, we are in an absolute steady decline on the D, with 2009 being the pits. So, it can be argued, that our D is the source of all our issues. In essence, one bad decision by CMR to hire Willie has set us back multiple years. CMR has made all the right moves since then, cleaning house and being more focused- losing does that to you. Our D has certainly improved since 2009 but is not close to where it should be.

So the question is, should CMR go based on just that one mistake. I would be more inclined to judge someone based on multiple observations, but statistically speaking, absolutely not in this case. Remember, he is the same guy that picked an obscure guy called Vangorder who is now the Falcons DC.

To me, CMR deserves to be given an opportunity to continue righting the ship, and we should see results next year. If we do not, then we can get serious about his future. But till then, understand and respect the fact that change- positive or negative- takes time to percolate down. That time to me is till the end of next year.