UGA: the turning point

[itsjustafleshwound]

It doesn't help man... it just doesn't help. We should have won this game, but we always have turnover issues against UF. I could understand since we're playing a redshirt frosh at QB, but he has been playing lights out for being a RS frosh. When Murray came out and threw that pick right off the bat I was just like here we go again...

Really glad to see this team with the mentality that is has though and I do agree, I think it comes from Grantham. I'm really looking forward to seeing this team and his defense continue to get better. As far as this season goes, I just want to see us beat Auburn and Georgia Tech. Beating Auburn would be huge.

Sorry for this being completely off topic and an over discussed area of our defense, but how well will Jarvis Jones fit at OLB? I thought about that after watching Cornelius Washington against Florida. I mean, the guy is 240, runs a 4.3 and still isn't dominating or really making much of an impact. We all hope that Houston stays and he will if the NFL implodes (imo), but on a possibly brighter note, how will Jarvis do? I know it may be impossible to tell, but I feel there is a slight possibility that yall can give me an inkling. If not thanks anyways, I appreciate it a lot. All that aside, Go Dawgs.

[Carter]

Sorry for this being completely off topic and an over discussed area of our defense, but how well will Jarvis Jones fit at OLB? I thought about that after watching Cornelius Washington against Florida. I mean, the guy is 240, runs a 4.3 and still isn't dominating or really making much of an impact. We all hope that Houston stays and he will if the NFL implodes (imo), but on a possibly brighter note, how will Jarvis do? I know it may be impossible to tell, but I feel there is a slight possibility that yall can give me an inkling. If not thanks anyways, I appreciate it a lot. All that aside, Go Dawgs.

Well from the things I've heard, he is a great fit at OLB in this defense. It's impossible to tell right now, but we'll definitely have a better idea of what to expect with Jarvis Jones after spring ball shakes out and our depth becomes clearer. He's coming back from injury, along with TJ Stripling and Dexter Morant, so that is something to keep in mind. They should all be good to go, but you never know how injuries might linger around with certain players.

I think Houston stays if the NFL has a strike next year, which is amazingly possible. According to anyone who is talking about it, there has been almost no progress in reaching agreements on the new CBA. That might have a big influence on Houston and AJ both; but I know both will consider their options once the season is over and there is a deadline for declaring.

[itsjustafleshwound]

Well from the things I've heard, he is a great fit at OLB in this defense. It's impossible to tell right now, but we'll definitely have a better idea of what to expect with Jarvis Jones after spring ball shakes out and our depth becomes clearer. He's coming back from injury, along with TJ Stripling and Dexter Morant, so that is something to keep in mind. They should all be good to go, but you never know how injuries might linger around with certain players.

I think Houston stays if the NFL has a strike next year, which is amazingly possible. According to anyone who is talking about it, there has been almost no progress in reaching agreements on the new CBA. That might have a big influence on Houston and AJ both; but I know both will consider their options once the season is over and there is a deadline for declaring.

If its simply down to recovery time for Jones, he'll be in good shape. After herneating my disk playing rugby, I was allowed to work out six months after surgery. His injury only affects the upper body so in terms of speed, he should be fine. He'll just need to get back to full upper body strength. If he was hurt that long ago, had surgery that long ago, and he works throughout the winter, he should be in top shape.

[SacFalcFan]

This team's record is not an indicator of how much better we are today than early in the year. We spotted uf plenty of points and still took them to overtime. Sander's drops on that fumble and that first half is much different. I will tell you at 21 to 7 at halftime i was very happy with how we fought back in the 2nd half. I know 2 years ago down to uf at halftime our locker room felt we had already lost the game and we crumbled. This year was much different. Losing stinks period especially when you had victory right there for you to take and you basically give it away.

[SacFalcFan]

I found several things about UA which impressed me today. Murray could have easily collapsed mentally after such a poor start to the game. He looked rattled to me and I was concerned that he might not be able to regain his composure. But he did. Overall I thought he had a very good game for a Freshman playing UF for the 1st time.

You guys just "spotted" them too many points before you finally woke up.

I know I'll get killed on here for this, but I think AJ is showing a little bit of a prima dona attitude when the ball isn't coming his way. I know that all great wr's want the ball, and are "always wide open", but with Murray beina a Freshman, I thought there were a few times in which AJ looked a little too demonstrative(sp) out there.

Rambo really irks me, and I would feel the same way if I were a UGA fan. He delivers a huge hit on the UF receiver and then gets up and has to start making the sign for an incomplete pass just to draw some attention his way. But the dude caught the ball, and thus Rambo looked a bit like a tool on that one.

Were I a UGA fan I know I would be bummed out tonight. But when my mind eventually cleared a little I would feel pretty good about how UGA has bounced back this year after starting out so very poorly. And I would look forward to seeing the Dawgs fight like he77 to finish the season on a strong note. You've got a star in the making as a qb and that is the single most important position in the game.

my two biggest fears for this game was aaron murray and turnovers and both bit us bad. aaron was way too amped and you could tell, but he fought back. turnovers just killed us again and when we had one (see sanders) we didn't fall on it and instead tried to run it in. this team could have mailed it in down 21 to 7 where we dominated one quarter and got nothing while they dominated another and got 21 points. i hate losing, but losing a tough game after spotting another team those points at least shows me we have improved in some aspects of our team. still not good enough however we should have won this game.

[Billy Ocean]

UGA coaches can't out-recruit UF. UGA coaches can't out-coach UF coaches. UGA coaches can't prepare their players to make fewer mistakes than Florida players.

I passed up multiple opportunities to attend last year's WLOCP and this year's. I will have no hope until we have change.

Edited October 31, 2010 by Billy Ocean

[Dawgy]

I have to disagree with the title. Bottom line is we lost, everybody needs to calm down with the moral victories. CMR has been a great coach but he's obviously not getting it done, period.

I don't think he gets let go this year, mainly due to the payout IMO and the fact that he has excellent relationships with blue chip recruits that can turn a program around quickly. I understand those things, but he will obviously be on the hot seat next year. 3 to 4 loses will get him canned next year. I can see us easily losing that many next year to be honest with you. Bottom line is that it seems the inevitable is only being delayed by one more year, and I hate to say something like that.

We fired Jim Donnan, and CMR actually has a worse record over his last 3 seasons. Sounds crazy, I know.

You may be right. It could also be called the "turning point?". but i think the title is apt. Since 2006, our losses to UF have been pretty one-sided, with no fight. It beats down on you mentally. Yesterday was a complete reversal- the way we came back, and our players reaction after the loss was very different from anything I have seen. I'm telling you- change comes from within, not from changing the coaches or waiting for the time when the other team is down. We have to look at ourselves, because UF is not beating us- we are- and to me, yesterday was a big change in that dynamic. This is not a Stafford or Cox led team that was soft or entitled- this one is different. EVERY game we have lost this year has been close and winnable. Frankly, you should expect to lose even against Kentucky and Vandy after 4 T/O- we came back and nearly won. And our mistakes came from one source- a young QB- not from the whole team.

Again, I am not pollyannish- I expected us to lose because our D was not quite there (played well but made those few mistakes as well) and other reasons. I am also not a fan that thinks a close loss is acceptable. My standards are not so low. But I am a realist and I pride myself on objective analysis- that is what I do in my career. This team will do some good things. I also expect us to beat UF next year. And if CMR brings in the big recruits this year, we'll be a top 10 team next year.

I have not been up on the team after our wins, and not down after our losses. We are absolutely moving in the right direction. CMR has next year to get us there. This year's recruiting is an essential part of that. If we are not a top 10 team next year- then I would advocate a coaching change. However, I don't think we'll need one. We hit bottom LAST year- we are moving up.

Edited October 31, 2010 by Dawgy

[SacFalcFan]

uga will never out-recruit uf. we will get comparable talent, but we won't out recruit them and last i checked we gave them 3 turnovers (4 total) in the game and still took them to overtime. if we had gotten 3 turnovers there was no way we were going to overtime, we would have won during regulation. thinks happen in a game, mistakes are made. uga coaches did just fine in the game, it's about time we quit making comments about being outcoached when there is zero proof of it and no losing a game doesn't mean we were outcoached.. it means we lost the game.

[Carter]

Coaching-wise, my only gripes are that we didn't aggressively go after getting the 1st down at the end of regulation when we had the ball near our end zone. We gained a couple of yards, took almost no time off the clock, and punted it to UF with close to a minute left in the game. We played for overtime. And while I can definitely appreciate going with safe plays that deep in our own territory, it was just disappointing that we didn't even seem to try for a 1st down there.

The other gripe is the play calling in overtime. It was terrible, to go along with the terrible throw Murray made that resulted in a tipped INT.

Other than that, we shot ourselves in the foot with turnovers and failing to get two takeaways on defense that would have drastically changed the game.

[SacFalcFan]

Coaching-wise, my only gripes are that we didn't aggressively go after getting the 1st down at the end of regulation when we had the ball near our end zone. We gained a couple of yards, took almost no time off the clock, and punted it to UF with close to a minute left in the game. We played for overtime. And while I can definitely appreciate going with safe plays that deep in our own territory, it was just disappointing that we didn't even seem to try for a 1st down there.

The other gripe is the play calling in overtime. It was terrible, to go along with the terrible throw Murray made that resulted in a tipped INT.

Other than that, we shot ourselves in the foot with turnovers and failing to get two takeaways on defense that would have drastically changed the game.

we played safe at that point at the end of the game and I have no issues with that.. you make a mistake there and game over. regarding play calling in ot after hearing what cmr said i have zero issues with it.. give me durham against a safety any day of the week and if murray has thrown a good pass we would be having a different convo today.. our overtime screw up was more with aaron not delivering the ball imo than it was with play calling. we did shoot ourselves in the foot and spotted florida 14 points..

[Dawgy]

uga will never out-recruit uf. we will get comparable talent, but we won't out recruit them and last i checked we gave them 3 turnovers (4 total) in the game and still took them to overtime. if we had gotten 3 turnovers there was no way we were going to overtime, we would have won during regulation. thinks happen in a game, mistakes are made. uga coaches did just fine in the game, it's about time we quit making comments about being outcoached when there is zero proof of it and no losing a game doesn't mean we were outcoached.. it means we lost the game.

100% agree. I did question initially our OT strategy to pass a lot as if it came down to FGs a few times, I would take the probability of Walsh over Henry. However, I think the decision to go for a TD showed that we wanted to go for the win, and that strategically, CMR was not sure if we could stop UF.

It would have been a great play-call if it had worked- it just did not that time. In any event, I'm surprised people are questioning the coaching- such knee-jerk reaction from our own fans (and crap AJC writers) is surprising. Our coaches kept the players in the game and engineered the come-back after a big deficit- bigger in the context of our history. They also made the adjustments at HT that Willie would have never made. The coaching was fine. It's just hard to overcome 4 TO. It's a tough loss, but such seasons/losses make you stronger. Just my opinion.

[sdogg]

How come you only ever come in here when UGA loses, just to remind everyone you're firmly on the Fire Richt bandwagon?

I'm here win lose or draw. Been a fan since 80(9 years old) and always will be. So don't come here with that BS that I'm only here when UGA loses. Try again! Sorry my standards are higher than some fans.

And if Richt is here next season( and I feel he will be) and he does turn this slide around (win the SEC) ill be the first to eat crow.

Edited November 1, 2010 by sdogg

[Billy Ocean]

uga will never out-recruit uf. we will get comparable talent, but we won't out recruit them and last i checked we gave them 3 turnovers (4 total) in the game and still took them to overtime. if we had gotten 3 turnovers there was no way we were going to overtime, we would have won during regulation. thinks happen in a game, mistakes are made. uga coaches did just fine in the game, it's about time we quit making comments about being outcoached when there is zero proof of it and no losing a game doesn't mean we were outcoached.. it means we lost the game.

The players change year after year, but the results remain the same.

Sooner or later you have to stop blaming the indians and start blaming the chief.

Richt is now 2-8 versus Florida. 2 out of 10. A .200 winning percentage. The Mendoza Line.

Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don't lie.

Edited November 1, 2010 by Billy Ocean

[Carter]

I'm here win lose or draw. Been a fan since 80(9 years old) and always will be. So don't come here with that BS that I'm only here when UGA loses. Try again! Sorry my standards are higher than some fans.

And if Richt is here next season( and I feel he will be) and he does turn this slide around (win the SEC) ill be the first to eat crow.

Um... you ARE only on here when UGA loses. 94.72% of your posts in this forum have come after UGA losses and you mainly talk about why Richt is a dirtbag and needs to be fired.

I didn't say you're not a fan, nor did I question your allegiance as a fan. I simply asked why you only show up when we lose. It's not a good look.

[SacFalcFan]

The players change year after year, but the results remain the same.

Sooner or later you have to stop blaming the indians and start blaming the chief.

Richt is now 2-8 versus Florida. 2 out of 10. A .200 winning percentage. The Mendoza Line.

Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don't lie.

UGA is not defined by the florida game. We have 4 main rivals with georgia tech being #1. CMR's overall body of work is the most impt thing as is his record against all 4 main rivals not just 1 you want to throw out there. CMR will not be fired nor should he.

our coaches were not outcoached and nothing you can take from that game says it. it's easy to say we were outcoached without any proof and a loss is not proof of that. we made more mistakes than uf did and yet our coaches put us in position to win this game. we finally had a freshman qb have a freshman like day.

[Deacon 13]

Personally, I feel the UGA/UF rivalry has become bigger than the UGA/GT rivalry. Especially since the BCS was brought about. I just hope that the "turning point" isn't a down turn.

Edited November 1, 2010 by Deacon 13

[tjb]

we finally had a freshman qb have a freshman like day.

I think that was one of the big keys of the game. We were all spoiled at how he played thus far. He certainly wasn't playing like a freshman in games 1 thru 8.

Unfortunately, the UF game was the time it showed up. He had his best and worst game. Future is still bright with him behind center. It was bound to happen at some point.

Could you imagine our season if he did play like a freshman all along? He'll learn from it, and be better for it. Just wish he could have made these mistakes against Vanderbilt or waited until this week.

[capologist]

UGA is not defined by the florida game.

I don't agree with this one. There have been far too many times where UGA would have gone to the SEC Championship game and possibly BCS Championship had they gotten past UF and failed to do so. Maybe the game doesn't necessarily define UGA but it certainly sums UGA up...

[SacFalcFan]

I think that was one of the big keys of the game. We were all spoiled at how he played thus far. He certainly wasn't playing like a freshman in games 1 thru 8.

Unfortunately, the UF game was the time it showed up. He had his best and worst game. Future is still bright with him behind center. It was bound to happen at some point.

Could you imagine our season if he did play like a freshman all along? He'll learn from it, and be better for it. Just wish he could have made these mistakes against Vanderbilt or waited until this week.

i started to really worry about that as the week wore on.. i kept hearing analyst after analyst say "aaron murray hasn't had a freshman like day yet this year" and it could be on saturday we saw that and then after that first pick it rattled him and affected him the rest of the 1st half. he settled down however, but still in overtime he had 2 bad passes and 1 of them would have been a td.. it stinks he picked this game to have it, but he still did very good in the 2nd half and helped us get back into the game.

[SacFalcFan]

I don't agree with this one. There have been far too many times where UGA would have gone to the SEC Championship game and possibly BCS Championship had they gotten past UF and failed to do so. Maybe the game doesn't necessarily define UGA but it certainly sums UGA up...

georgia is not defined by the florida game man.. we have 4 big rivals and 1 rivalry game does not define Georgia nor sums up Georgia. in 2007 we beat uf and lost to the vols that year. the loss to tennessee hurt us that year. when it comes to our goal of winning the sec yes uf, auburn, and tennessee have all been impt to uga historically and it's been the vols and auburn moreso than uf that has hurt uga reaching our ultimate goal. with the number of rivals uga has not one rivalry is going to define us.

[capologist]

georgia is not defined by the florida game man.. we have 4 big rivals and 1 rivalry game does not define Georgia nor sums up Georgia. in 2007 we beat uf and lost to the vols that year. the loss to tennessee hurt us that year. when it comes to our goal of winning the sec yes uf, auburn, and tennessee have all been impt to uga historically and it's been the vols and auburn moreso than uf that has hurt uga reaching our ultimate goal. with the number of rivals uga has not one rivalry is going to define us.

While they may be equally as important in the standings, the fact is that the UT game happens early in the season and isn't as much as a factor as the UF or Auburn matchups. Further, without even looking I'll go ahead and guarantee that the record against those teams over the past 21 years isn't anything like the disparity in the UF series. I can also name a year where all you guys had to do was beat UF and you would have been in the BCS Championship but instead faced Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl. It does sum up UGA's position and it's also a large reason why Florida is where it is...

[slamee101]

While they may be equally as important in the standings, the fact is that the UT game happens early in the season and isn't as much as a factor as the UF or Auburn matchups. Further, without even looking I'll go ahead and guarantee that the record against those teams over the past 21 years isn't anything like the disparity in the UF series. I can also name a year where all you guys had to do was beat UF and you would have been in the BCS Championship but instead faced Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl. It does sum up UGA's position and it's also a large reason why Florida is where it is...

I think you mean faced FSU in the Sugar Bowl, but I get what you're getting at and I don't really disagree.

[SacFalcFan]

While they may be equally as important in the standings, the fact is that the UT game happens early in the season and isn't as much as a factor as the UF or Auburn matchups. Further, without even looking I'll go ahead and guarantee that the record against those teams over the past 21 years isn't anything like the disparity in the UF series. I can also name a year where all you guys had to do was beat UF and you would have been in the BCS Championship but instead faced Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl. It does sum up UGA's position and it's also a large reason why Florida is where it is...

One rival does not define uga nor sums up uga cappy. As I said there are plenty of examples of when loses to the vols, uf, or auburn hurt uga historically. Not one rival when you have 4 yearly sums up your team. Each year is different. The year you are thinking of is 2007 and if we beat the vols that year we are in the sec title game with a chance at the title game. The other year we lost to uf was in 2002 and if we win we have a chance to make the title game that year with it coming down to uga/ohio state for the final spot. if you look historically we lost a number of times to auburn when we had a chance for a special year that ruined it and we have done the same to them. we are one of a few teams that has soooo many long historically rivalries. why stop at 21 years, let's look at 40 years worth of rivalries. During CMR's tenure we have had 2 teams that could have won national titles and a vols loss hurt one while a uf loss hurt the other.

It might not be our biggest game each year (referring to tech and winning the sec), but it's the "get coach fired" game. Our standard isn't Tech. Our basement is. If we can't beat them, we fire the coach. It's been that way since the 40's.

Dooley was a lot like CMR. He struggled against certain teams at certain times, but he beat the heck outta Tech, especially at first and in the end. Heck, he beat them 19 times I think.

[lex7500]

I know I would rather lose to Tech than to UF because that way we still have a chance to go to the SEC Championship game.

[sdogg]

Um... you ARE only on here when UGA loses. 94.72% of your posts in this forum have come after UGA losses and you mainly talk about why Richt is a dirtbag and needs to be fired.

I didn't say you're not a fan, nor did I question your allegiance as a fan. I simply asked why you only show up when we lose. It's not a good look.

So do you have a tracking device that gives you this % of when I post and the subjects I post about? Or did you pull thus % out if your rear? When did I call Richt a dirtbag? Richt is by far one of the few ncaaf HC that has class. He's a great guy. I've met him a few times and enjoyed hearing his speeches. I'm sure Sac will back me when I have stated many of times my support for Richt. Such as when he finally fired Willie. When the media was bashing Richt for losing Kirby & saying the ship was sinking. I was here defending him. I was here when he hired TG. A great hire IMO. I was here during the 3 game winning streak vs SEC teams. I'm here for the wins and the loses, no matter what your tracking device says.

Why get so upset over a fan having a different view of the state of the .program and where its heading? Makes no sense at all. I've stated I would eat my crow if in fact Richt does turn things around. So relax. Dont get so bent out if shape over a fans opinion. No matter what I say if do...MJ matter what you say or do...we dint have the power to change a thing. Richt and Richt alone will either save his job or get himself fired. He's going to get at least one more year to do it. I hope he does....would love to eat the crow.