cp falcon596 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 First off, let me say that MM OC, is the best OC in Falcon recent history. I am pleased with him, frankly because we have had garbage at the position. Gregg Knapp did not get killed on the board like MM is getting killed. Matt Ryan has to be held accountable. The Falcons are masking Ryan's skill set. The fact that Matt doesn't have a pro style arm is killing this team. We called him Noodle Arm in my home. To the coaches credit, they have installed a offence that suits the QB and hide his inabilities. But this is the main reason why we have a pedestrain passing attack and not able to close the gap when a team gets an early lead. Every deep ball is badly underthrown or overthrown (thats only twice this season, both to HD.) Secondly, I watch the Falcons games at least twice every week, and I noticed on crucial downs that Matt is keying in on one receiver.(He has not grew from his mistakes he made his rookie season.) Even when a guy is wide up, he is still trying to force the ball into coverage. A QB needs to be able to make a pre-snap read( he does this well), but after the snap, let the coverage dictate the open receiver (he does sucks eggs at this). EX. 3rd & 5. Three wideouts to the left. Two wideouts have corners in a press coverage and the third is uncovered(HD). The two wideouts get jammed hard at the line and HD gets free release with no coverage(Wide The **** Up). Ryan stares at White waiting for him to come clean. Meanwhile, HD is running byself over the middle. Could have been a TD, at least a first down. Anyway, he forces a bad throw to WR who was never up and he did not even look else where once his primary read was not there. I am Falcon Fan to the heart,but we can not win BIG GAMES with QB play like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 If only 2008 did not prove you completely wrong. geeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripedss Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 If only 2008 did not prove you completely wrong. geeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........That was two years ago. He has a really good QB coach doesn't he? Would you not say his QB coach is a good one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenate Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 If only 2008 did not prove you completely wrong. geeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........Then why can't he duplicate that same success or even better. I do not want to hear the "they have film on us now". They also had film on us in 2009 as well. We are a professional NFL football team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Smitty best clean up his coaching staff quick.One name will vastly improve our offense.Mike Martz.Being that Martz is Da Bearz OC, this would meanthat the only way he gets out of his contract is tobecome a Head Coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp falcon596 Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 If only 2008 did not prove you completely wrong. geeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........It's the same problems from 2008. Two seasons later, he still can't see the open Wr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp falcon596 Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 Smitty best clean up his coaching staff quick.One name will vastly improve our offense.Mike Martz.Being that Martz is Da Bearz OC, this would meanthat the only way he gets out of his contract is tobecome a Head Coach. He gets QBs killed!!! Ask Marc Bulger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_truth189 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I mean the guy has proven time and time again he has a pretty **** good arm. So what do you have to say in response to that? Please Go ahead I'll be waiting here all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp falcon596 Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 Smitty best clean up his coaching staff quick.One name will vastly improve our offense.Mike Martz.Being that Martz is Da Bearz OC, this would meanthat the only way he gets out of his contract is tobecome a Head Coach. Besides, Matt does not have the arm for his system. Dude is one shoulder injury away from being Chad Pennington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconinPA Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 He gets QBs killed!!! Ask Marc Bulger.So does Sam Baker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp falcon596 Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 Matt Ryan has not met expectations for this season but he also hasnt seemed to get a fair shake either. It's hard to look elite when he is seemingly only able to pass on 3rd downs in obvious passing situations.Not true, yesterday he audibled on first down to a pass. He didn't complete the pass because Baker was getting destroyed on the left side. Another three and out.So does Sam Baker!LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Mularkey has incredibly predictable play calls. You know what is coming based on the formation he calls up and that has been a critique of him BEFORE coming to Atlanta. He has early success with new teams but becomes predictable before he doesn't adapt. You can see this happening all the time this season...Defenders are sitting and jumping on routes and the box is stuffed during run plays. It doesn't help that the O-line is pedestrian at best. Ryan is not the only one struggling: Turner is struggling, Gonzalez is struggling, Douglas is struggling, White should be doing better. When the ENTIRE OFFENSE is struggling on a consistent basis then there is really only one man to point to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ru_serious Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 First off, let me say that MM OC, is the best OC in Falcon recent history. I am pleased with him, frankly because we have had garbage at the position. Gregg Knapp did not get killed on the board like MM is getting killed. Matt Ryan has to be held accountable. The Falcons are masking Ryan's skill set. The fact that Matt doesn't have a pro style arm is killing this team. We called him Noodle Arm in my home. To the coaches credit, they have installed a offence that suits the QB and hide his inabilities. But this is the main reason why we have a pedestrain passing attack and not able to close the gap when a team gets an early lead. Every deep ball is badly underthrown or overthrown (thats only twice this season, both to HD.) Secondly, I watch the Falcons games at least twice every week, and I noticed on crucial downs that Matt is keying in on one receiver.(He has not grew from his mistakes he made his rookie season.) Even when a guy is wide up, he is still trying to force the ball into coverage. A QB needs to be able to make a pre-snap read( he does this well), but after the snap, let the coverage dictate the open receiver (he does sucks eggs at this). EX. 3rd & 5. Three wideouts to the left. Two wideouts have corners in a press coverage and the third is uncovered(HD). The two wideouts get jammed hard at the line and HD gets free release with no coverage(Wide The **** Up). Ryan stares at White waiting for him to come clean. Meanwhile, HD is running byself over the middle. Could have been a TD, at least a first down. Anyway, he forces a bad throw to WR who was never up and he did not even look else where once his primary read was not there. I am Falcon Fan to the heart,but we can not win BIG GAMES with QB play like this.He has adequate arm strenth. The post snap reads is a problem though. There have been many situations when I ask "what about that play said that receiver was open?". Most of the time he seems to see a winnable matchup and locks in. I remember the play you're talking about to HD though and the safety was closing down on him. You can't really say Ryan should have confidence in him when in any type of traffic though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp falcon596 Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 I mean the guy has proven time and time again he has a pretty **** good arm. So what do you have to say in response to that? Please Go ahead I'll be waiting here all day.Who Matt Noodle? Don't forget why MJ12 is just getting back to the field. A badly underthrown deep ball. Even the TD in Cleveland to White was underthrown. White had to slow down and catch at his knees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp falcon596 Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 He has adequate arm strenth. The post snap reads is a problem though. There have been many situations when I ask "what about that play said that receiver was open?". Most of the time he seems to see a winnable matchup and locks in. I remember the play you're talking about to HD though and the safety was closing down on him. You can't really say Ryan should have confidence in him when in any type of traffic though.He was open and uncovered. I've seen him in the same game force it to HD in less favorable situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp falcon596 Posted October 18, 2010 Author Share Posted October 18, 2010 All I'm saying is, "how can you kill the OC when the QB is handicapping the team?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconinPA Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) First off, let me say that MM OC, is the best OC in Falcon recent history. I am pleased with him, frankly because we have had garbage at the position. Gregg Knapp did not get killed on the board like MM is getting killed. Matt Ryan has to be held accountable. The Falcons are masking Ryan's skill set. The fact that Matt doesn't have a pro style arm is killing this team. We called him Noodle Arm in my home. To the coaches credit, they have installed a offence that suits the QB and hide his inabilities. But this is the main reason why we have a pedestrain passing attack and not able to close the gap when a team gets an early lead. Every deep ball is badly underthrown or overthrown (thats only twice this season, both to HD.) Secondly, I watch the Falcons games at least twice every week, and I noticed on crucial downs that Matt is keying in on one receiver.(He has not grew from his mistakes he made his rookie season.) Even when a guy is wide up, he is still trying to force the ball into coverage. A QB needs to be able to make a pre-snap read( he does this well), but after the snap, let the coverage dictate the open receiver (he does sucks eggs at this). EX. 3rd & 5. Three wideouts to the left. Two wideouts have corners in a press coverage and the third is uncovered(HD). The two wideouts get jammed hard at the line and HD gets free release with no coverage(Wide The **** Up). Ryan stares at White waiting for him to come clean. Meanwhile, HD is running byself over the middle. Could have been a TD, at least a first down. Anyway, he forces a bad throw to WR who was never up and he did not even look else where once his primary read was not there. I am Falcon Fan to the heart,but we can not win BIG GAMES with QB play like this.I agree with your post. You sound alot like a poster I used to like named Swifthitter. +1 for speaking your opinion when others don't want to even question that Ryan may be a part of the problem Edited October 18, 2010 by FalconinPA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_truth189 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) Who Matt Noodle? Don't forget why MJ12 is just getting back to the field. A badly underthrown deep ball. Even the TD in Cleveland to White was underthrown. White had to slow down and catch at his knees.he also over threw HD83 on a bomb in overtime against the saints, and against the cards. aKeep bringing them. Edited October 18, 2010 by Dr_truth189 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL Bear Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 First off, let me say that MM OC, is the best OC in Falcon recent history. I am pleased with him, frankly because we have had garbage at the position. Gregg Knapp did not get killed on the board like MM is getting killed. Matt Ryan has to be held accountable. The Falcons are masking Ryan's skill set. The fact that Matt doesn't have a pro style arm is killing this team. We called him Noodle Arm in my home. To the coaches credit, they have installed a offence that suits the QB and hide his inabilities. But this is the main reason why we have a pedestrain passing attack and not able to close the gap when a team gets an early lead. Every deep ball is badly underthrown or overthrown (thats only twice this season, both to HD.) Secondly, I watch the Falcons games at least twice every week, and I noticed on crucial downs that Matt is keying in on one receiver.(He has not grew from his mistakes he made his rookie season.) Even when a guy is wide up, he is still trying to force the ball into coverage. A QB needs to be able to make a pre-snap read( he does this well), but after the snap, let the coverage dictate the open receiver (he does sucks eggs at this). EX. 3rd & 5. Three wideouts to the left. Two wideouts have corners in a press coverage and the third is uncovered(HD). The two wideouts get jammed hard at the line and HD gets free release with no coverage(Wide The **** Up). Ryan stares at White waiting for him to come clean. Meanwhile, HD is running byself over the middle. Could have been a TD, at least a first down. Anyway, he forces a bad throw to WR who was never up and he did not even look else where once his primary read was not there. I am Falcon Fan to the heart,but we can not win BIG GAMES with QB play like this.You need to watch the game again, because it isn't anywhere like you're saying. QB's go through specific progressions on reads. Philly did a great job of getting pressure (or our o-line failed to protect depending upon your perspective) up field, and Ryan was unable to go through his progressions. That's why you see a receiver open after the ball is thrown. Furthermore, you have to read the situation before they break to the throw. Sure, Gonzalez looks open in the endzone 3 seconds into the play. Except at 2 seconds the defense has their hands on Ryan, and he's headed straight to his outlet man so he doesn't take a sack. That's an on the fly defensive read, because I can assure you the RB was not his primary receiver on the play.Give Ryan a little time, and he'll do just fine. He didn't have that luxury yesterday, nor did he have a run game to support the play action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psychic Gibbon Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 I like how people keep saying Ryan had a terrible game. Many QBs would kill someone for 250 yards passing, 2 TDs, and an interception (of a pass Gonzalez admits that he dropped) to be considered their GOOD games... and that was all with an O-line he clearly has no faith in and a very uncreative and predictable OC making play calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_LIFE Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 (edited) The eagles defense had GREAT COVERAGE on many plays i watched, maybe we need to try things like stacking douglas and white on one side or sumthin Different, i would also like to see douglas on a reverse or end around with his speed. Edited October 18, 2010 by Falcons_LIFE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ru_serious Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 He was open and uncovered. I've seen him in the same game force it to HD in less favorable situations.And I only remember one of them being completed. He had already dropped a slant that should have been a touchdown earlier in the game. He was covered by Asante Samuel who started off soft and was breaking forward. I'm sure he was thinking Roddy Would be able to beat Yoselio (sp?) Hanson and I would have made the same bet 10/10 times. Had Roddy not been held then he would have beat him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconsfanDK Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 Smitty best clean up his coaching staff quick.One name will vastly improve our offense.Mike Martz.Being that Martz is Da Bearz OC, this would meanthat the only way he gets out of his contract is tobecome a Head Coach. we don't need another MM... that's bad luck :P hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDogg1215 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 doing his job by using the same formation on first down every single series? doing his job by putting matt ryan on obvious passing play on 3rd and long? doing his job by doing the same stupid wide reciever screen play that get us 2 yards? yeah doing his job right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDogg1215 Posted October 18, 2010 Share Posted October 18, 2010 doing his job by using the same formation on first down every single series? doing his job by putting matt ryan on obvious passing play on 3rd and long? doing his job by doing the same stupid wide reciever screen play that get us 2 yards? yeah doing his job right? if i as a fan can read his simple offense, then what are the pros out there seeing? with this type of talent on offense this is not acceptable PERIOD. and people stop blaming matt ryan ive watched him in college and his pro career, he has a long way to go to become an elite quarterback but this offense and the cordinator are holding him back .... how many dink and dunk 5 yard plays can we do? how about passing on 1st down every once in a while????? we are getting killed in the first quarter of all games combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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