Meyer shows true core values by reinstating Rainey.

[SacFalcFan]

Meyer has been hammered on sport talk shows for his reinstatement of Rainey. Here is just one article on it from a Florida Gator Alum.

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“I always like to ask a female at the school — a secretary, or someone coming down the hall,” said Meyer. “It’s important a kid has respect for women. And they [the women] will tell you the truth.”

“We won’t offer a kid unless we’re sure he’s a good kid,” said Meyer.

[TyroneDawg]

Just read this myself... wow.

[Mr Pickle1]

So true. He can see it. Where are the other honest Gator fans?

Re-instating Chris Rainey is tantamount to okaying death threats to women. Meyer sickens me. He should sicken anyone with an ounce of pride or integrity.

[Pickles da Don]

This can only be answered one way.

Kiss the rings.

[Mr Pickle1]

This can only be answered one way.

Kiss the rings.

Time to die, Gators.

[Threepac Daddy]

Time to die, Gators.

dont make me go micheal vick on ya

[Mr Pickle1]

dont make me go micheal vick on ya

Do you also play for UF? What kind of punishment would a federal dogfighting convicktion warrant? 5 plays? A note to the DA about how sorry you are?

Time to die, Vick!

[Gritzblitz 2.0]

Doyel hits it right on the head and he's saying exactly what I have been saying about Richt and all of the UGA arrests. These guys are not paid millions to raise other people's kids. Their ONLY job is to win football games. Period. It would be nice if they would at least acknowledge that from time to time instead of pretending that we're all stupid.

It would also be nice if the average college football fan were not such a myopic, hypocritical boob. But from the posts I see on this forum, that's not going to happen anytime soon. So rationalize away.

[CalDawg]

Doyel hits it right on the head and he's saying exactly what I have been saying about Richt and all of the UGA arrests. These guys are not paid millions to raise other people's kids. Their ONLY job is to win football games. Period. It would be nice if they would at least acknowledge that from time to time instead of pretending that we're all stupid.

It would also be nice if the average college football fan were not such a myopic, hypocritical boob. But from the posts I see on this forum, that's not going to happen anytime soon. So rationalize away.

It's not exactly clear from the rant above what you have been saying "about Richt and all of the UGA arrests". Have you been saying that Richt should be a tough disciplinarian? That's great, because he is. Have you been saying that Richt should spell the rules out in advance and be firm if they're broken, even if that hurts the team? Bingo, that's what Richt does. Have you been saying that if a kid gets into trouble repeatedly, or does something serious like threaten to kill his girlfriend that coach Richt should send him packing. Congrats, you and Coach Richt are on the same page.

Have you been saying that Richt should kick off every player who gets into trouble, period? Well, that's not gonna happen at Georgia or any other school in America, nor should it. Hoping that might happen would be you rationalizing something you'd like to see.

[Gritzblitz 2.0]

It's not exactly clear from the rant above what you have been saying "about Richt and all of the UGA arrests". Have you been saying that Richt should be a tough disciplinarian? That's great, because he is. Have you been saying that Richt should spell the rules out in advance and be firm if they're broken, even if that hurts the team? Bingo, that's what Richt does. Have you been saying that if a kid gets into trouble repeatedly, or does something serious like threaten to kill his girlfriend that coach Richt should send him packing. Congrats, you and Coach Richt are on the same page.

Have you been saying that Richt should kick off every player who gets into trouble, period? Well, that's not gonna happen at Georgia or any other school in America, nor should it. Hoping that might happen would be you rationalizing something you'd like to see.

No. I was just saying that Richt and every other coach has only one job. Win football games. The problem is that they will never acknowledge it. They play these silly mind games and talk about the team being a "family" or how they "mentor" these young men. Please.

I have no problem with Richt's discipline nor do I blame him for the arrests. I don't blame Meyer for what Rainey did either, but he is a big fat hypocrite for bringing him back and if I were this girl's father I would let Meyer know that I hold him personally responsible for any harm Rainey does as a member of the team.

[CalDawg]

No. I was just saying that Richt and every other coach has only one job. Win football games. The problem is that they will never acknowledge it. They play these silly mind games and talk about the team being a "family" or how they "mentor" these young men. Please.

I have no problem with Richt's discipline nor do I blame him for the arrests. I don't blame Meyer for what Rainey did either, but he is a big fat hypocrite for bringing him back and if I were this girl's father I would let Meyer know that I hold him personally responsible for any harm Rainey does as a member of the team.

Well, the silly mind games are part of the job. If a player has a bad attitude it can affect the performance of the player or the whole team. Coaches have to help these kids mature, or they have to get rid of them. You may not like the talk about family, etc, but this isn't the NFL. Plenty of college football players have some growing up to do because they never had much discipline at home. Coaches don't have much choice but to do some parenting.

[Gritzblitz 2.0]

Well, the silly mind games are part of the job. If a player has a bad attitude it can affect the performance of the player or the whole team. Coaches have to help these kids mature, or they have to get rid of them. You may not like the talk about family, etc, but this isn't the NFL. Plenty of college football players have some growing up to do because they never had much discipline at home. Coaches don't have much choice but to do some parenting.

Then you lose two games in a row and the parenting goes right out the window.

[Deacon 13]

Doing the right thing will always out-weigh winning football games in my book.

[Carter]

This can only be answered one way.

Kiss the rings.

You stay classy, Gainesville.

[Testasparo]

Doing the right thing will always out-weigh winning football games in my book.

Then what's the point of playing football? Why not just make football coaches into guidance counselors and behavioral psychologists so they can better the world that way?

Seriously, I'm all for doing things the right way, but Urban Meyer is not paid 5 mill a year or whatever it is to baby-sit 80 kids and raise them like he was their father.

When you're being paid that much money, winning football games out-weighs everything, otherwise why coach, and why pay someone that much money?

[itsjustafleshwound]

This can only be answered one way.

Kiss the rings.

If that comment really expresses your feelings on this situation, you are one screwed up individual. No amount of success on the field could make up for this disgrace.

These coaches are not hired to be baby sitters and they can not prevent these situations from occurring, but they can respond properly and hold people accountable.

This is a disgrace and an affront to any sense of justice.

[itsjustafleshwound]

Then what's the point of playing football? Why not just make football coaches into guidance counselors and behavioral psychologists so they can better the world that way?

Seriously, I'm all for doing things the right way, but Urban Meyer is not paid 5 mill a year or whatever it is to baby-sit 80 kids and raise them like he was their father.

When you're being paid that much money, winning football games out-weighs everything, otherwise why coach, and why pay someone that much money?

As I said earlier, coaches are not hired to babysit the players and they can not prevent these situations, but they can respond appropriately. They can still hold kids accountable. Quit making excuses for Urban. This is a prime illustration of a complete lack of moral character and the lack of a healthy conscience.

[Carter]

As I said earlier, coaches are not hired to babysit the players and they can not prevent these situations, but they can respond appropriately. They can still hold kids accountable. Quit making excuses for Urban. This is a prime illustration of a complete lack of moral character and the lack of a healthy conscience.

But who needs good character and a conscience when you have rings!! :ph34r:

[ChuyDawg]

Like I have said before; You cannot hold the school or the coaching staff accountable for the actions of these young and immature kids, you can hold them accountable for the punishments that get handed down. Think about it, what if this Rainey kid actually follows through on his threats? Talk about the STUFF hitting the fan!

At the end of the day I understand why Meyer did it (2 losses). This ultimately sends the wrong message to the team. So I'm glad that Meyer did this to tell you the truth. Bad guys need to be dealt with or else something bad will happen sooner or later, its been proven plenty of times before.

[Mr Pickle1]

But who needs good character and a conscience when you have rings!! :ph34r:

You know what's sad? OC Gerkin doesn't actually have rings...he's just a fan. He's not actually accomplishing anything, just basking in dimly reflected glory from several years ago.

There's nothing wrong with living through your team, to an extent, but when you start using THEIR accomplishments to justify real word crimes/injustice, then that is pathetic.

[Dawgy]

You know what. It would perhaps help if the NCAA came up with a set of guidelines (not rules) for each transgression (and maybe cumulative penalties if the team is a habitual offender) so that there is uniformity across schools.

That way, the penalties are well know by the players/coaches, and while coaches would have the discretion to discipline, they would likely draw a lot of flack for ignoring the guidelines. Just a thought- I'm sure there are issues with any solution.

[slamee101]

This can only be answered one way.

Kiss the rings.

Wow...just wow!

Meyer deserves to be ripped on this one. I did say that he'd be back with the team when the story broke but it doesn't make it any less wack to me.

[capologist]

As I said earlier, coaches are not hired to babysit the players and they can not prevent these situations, but they can respond appropriately. They can still hold kids accountable. Quit making excuses for Urban. This is a prime illustration of a complete lack of moral character and the lack of a healthy conscience.

And I think he's acted appropriately. What Mr. Doyel didn't point out is that 11 of the 30 "arrests" were kicked off the team, including current Auburn starting QB Cam Newton.

Rainey is not officially back on the team, he's being given the chance to earn his way back. He's never been in trouble and what baffles me is how you can criticize Meyer when the courts gave him 10 hours community service (which he's completed), anger management counseling (which he needs) and if he stays out of trouble for 6 months, it's wiped off his record entirely. Where is your outrage for the courts?

Where is your outrage for the family who refuses to press charges and the girl herself says that it's been blown way out of proportion and that she never feared for her life?

Again, this doesn't excuse what Rainey did but you guys are acting like he's Charles Manson or something...

[richham]

You know Meyer better watch himself. I hope Rainey is getting serious help at the moment, but if he actually went off and killed this girl after all that has happened it could ultimately cost Meyer his job.

Winning at any cost will come back to bite you. I'm really shocked by all this. You would think that Rainey's reinstatement would happen only if he really got help from an actual therapist for at least 6 months to a year and was officially cleared to focus on other things outside of school and getting his life back in order.

Football is secondary at this point. Rainey needs help before he does kill someone.

[richham]

Where is your outrage for the family who refuses to press charges and the girl herself says that it's been blown way out of proportion and that she never feared for her life?

Hey it's her life at stake, you can't force someone to get common sense. You can walk into any police station in this country and you will find battered and beaten women who won't press charges against their husband or boyfriend. It's pretty common. Police usually figure the 8th time they come out for this type of crime they find the woman dead.

Let me be very clear, Mr. Rainey wouldn't come within a thousand yards of my daughter ever again.