MM uses Gonzalez Decoy

[Falco4]

The 40+ TD pass to White was a thing of beauty for 2 reasons.

1) MM acknowledged that the corner just came into the game after sitting out for a couple of plays. Right away, we test him with Roddy on a deep post. Roddy had no problem. That's how you do it.

2) If you watch the replay, TG runs a route that attracts both his corner and the deep safety, allowing White to go 1 on 1 with the injured corner. We need to use TG as a decoy more often. We'll have more opportunities to hit White, HD, or Fin.

[birdman86]

i said this as part of an argument on here last week and i was torn apart

[falken]

Mularkey is 24-13 as OC for the Falcons.

He's as much a part of our success as anyone.

[Falco4]

i said this as part of an argument on here last week and i was torn apart

i guess i missed it,

[raysnill1]

I'll let you in on a little secret

Harry been getting open & the line hasn't been playing as bad as we might have thought. It seems like Matt might not trust throwing to HD83 since he's had a few drops but he has been getting separation

[birdman86]

i agree. i believe that a part of matt ryans throwing so far this year is a loss of trust between him and HD and the fact that FINN is just getting old and only useful in the redzone. only 2 left are gonzo and roddy. luckily they're awesome

[FalconFanSince1970]

Mularkey is 24-13 as OC for the Falcons.He's as much a part of our success as anyone.

Any questions?

Mularkey told you Madden boys in an interview last year that there are deep options on pretty much every pass play. Check the tapes if you don't believe him folks.

The failure on the deep plays has been bad reads, bad throws, bad protection, lack of separation and dropped balls. Not bad play calls.

The sooner yall realize this the better off we all will be. Trust me.

[vabchbirdlover]

Any questions?

Mularkey told you Madden boys in an interview last year that there are deep options on pretty much every pass play. Check the tapes if you don't believe him folks.

The failure on the deep plays has been bad reads, bad throws, bad protection, lack of separation and dropped balls. Not bad play calls.

The sooner yall realize this the better off we all will be. Trust me.

That to me is the paramount reason. Was previously hating on the play selection of MM, and have came to the realization that the man is only playing to the Falcons strengths in regards to OL, good at run blocking but suspect at pass blocking.

[falcons4life]

Mularkey is 24-13 as OC for the Falcons.

He's as much a part of our success as anyone.

I guess Im going to be the voice of opposition in this thread.

24-13...is that because of him or in spite of him? While some folks waver on MM depending on whether we win or lose a game, I haven't wavered a bit. While I understand and have no problem with his philosophy, (run first) it's how he goes about it that drives me nuts. I still believe that this offense succeeds despite his poor calling and play selection.

Constant runs in the same gap with little or no results, that **** right side waggle, and the even worse left side waggle are staples in his offense that consistently result in no yardage.

The same pass routes run over and over and over....and most of them underneath routes and return (hook) routes that have DB's all over our receivers as soon as the ball reaches them. Wonder why Ryan can't find an open receiver? It's because the defense has seen the same route 20 times and knows how to be in position on most plays.

Yes...I understand their are exceptions. Roddy's scoring play yesterday was great but how long did MM wait before we tested a defense that gave up a billion yards in pass coverage this season? Even if not successful, a long pass here and there at least would keep a defense on their heels instead of coming forward to stop our short routes.

I think the team ran 2 true middle screens last season. So far this season I believe we have run 1. Why isnt this play utilized more often? If Turner isn't sure handed, then use Snelling? They are great change-ups and big gain plays.

The list goes on and on. Now I know people will say "I cant believe you are complaining, we are 4-1!"

Yes we are, and before that 9-7 and 11-5 but while MM may be the architect of the offense that brought us those records, his managing of his design is terrible and I am worried that it will cost us dearly when the big game is on the line.

MM is the reason why I really appreciate and love what Matt Ryan does. He triumphs over the adversity his own OC throws at him and I believe that HE is the reason this team has done as well as it has.

[Norwood all the way!]

I guess Im going to be the voice of opposition in this thread.

24-13...is that because of him or in spite of him? While some folks waver on MM depending on whether we win or lose a game, I haven't wavered a bit. While I understand and have no problem with his philosophy, (run first) it's how he goes about it that drives me nuts. I still believe that this offense succeeds despite his poor calling and play selection.

Constant runs in the same gap with little or no results, that **** right side waggle, and the even worse left side waggle are staples in his offense that consistently result in no yardage.

The same pass routes run over and over and over....and most of them underneath routes and return (hook) routes that have DB's all over our receivers as soon as the ball reaches them. Wonder why Ryan can't find an open receiver? It's because the defense has seen the same route 20 times and knows how to be in position on most plays.

Yes...I understand their are exceptions. Roddy's scoring play yesterday was great but how long did MM wait before we tested a defense that gave up a billion yards in pass coverage this season? Even if not successful, a long pass here and there at least would keep a defense on their heels instead of coming forward to stop our short routes.

I think the team ran 2 true middle screens last season. So far this season I believe we have run 1. Why isnt this play utilized more often? If Turner isn't sure handed, then use Snelling? They are great change-ups and big gain plays.

The list goes on and on. Now I know people will say "I cant believe you are complaining, we are 4-1!"

Yes we are, and before that 9-7 and 11-5 but while MM may be the architect of the offense that brought us those records, his managing of his design is terrible and I am worried that it will cost us dearly when the big game is on the line.

MM is the reason why I really appreciate and love what Matt Ryan does. He triumphs over the adversity his own OC throws at him and I believe that HE is the reason this team has done as well as it has.

im going to have to agree with everything you just said.

[slamee101]

I've been as frustrated with MM as anyone at times, but after a slow start I feel like he called a good game.

After being a little redundant Sunday, on the drive that we ended up getting the FG blocked he started to adjust and gave some different looks on 2nd and 3rd down.

In addition, I do think at times I'm a tad harsh as we are a run 1st team, that's how Smitty wants it. We have a talented offense but I feel like people think of the Colts, Saints, Pats ('07), when they think of high-powered offenses but those are pass 1st teams. We like to grind out it as evident by the Cleveland game. We run it down your throat....2 yards, 4 yards, 3 yards, 6 yards...then 25 yards, etc. We wear teams down and then break the big one or hit the big pass here and there. It's not a lot of what people want to see but it works.

[birdman86]

I guess Im going to be the voice of opposition in this thread.

24-13...is that because of him or in spite of him? While some folks waver on MM depending on whether we win or lose a game, I haven't wavered a bit. While I understand and have no problem with his philosophy, (run first) it's how he goes about it that drives me nuts. I still believe that this offense succeeds despite his poor calling and play selection.

Constant runs in the same gap with little or no results, that **** right side waggle, and the even worse left side waggle are staples in his offense that consistently result in no yardage.

The same pass routes run over and over and over....and most of them underneath routes and return (hook) routes that have DB's all over our receivers as soon as the ball reaches them. Wonder why Ryan can't find an open receiver? It's because the defense has seen the same route 20 times and knows how to be in position on most plays.

Yes...I understand their are exceptions. Roddy's scoring play yesterday was great but how long did MM wait before we tested a defense that gave up a billion yards in pass coverage this season? Even if not successful, a long pass here and there at least would keep a defense on their heels instead of coming forward to stop our short routes.

I think the team ran 2 true middle screens last season. So far this season I believe we have run 1. Why isnt this play utilized more often? If Turner isn't sure handed, then use Snelling? They are great change-ups and big gain plays.

The list goes on and on. Now I know people will say "I cant believe you are complaining, we are 4-1!"

Yes we are, and before that 9-7 and 11-5 but while MM may be the architect of the offense that brought us those records, his managing of his design is terrible and I am worried that it will cost us dearly when the big game is on the line.

MM is the reason why I really appreciate and love what Matt Ryan does. He triumphs over the adversity his own OC throws at him and I believe that HE is the reason this team has done as well as it has.

BOOM!!! +1 i hate that tard. and even tho we've been winning all the wins this year have come from D.

[illest_will]

I guess Im going to be the voice of opposition in this thread.

24-13...is that because of him or in spite of him? While some folks waver on MM depending on whether we win or lose a game, I haven't wavered a bit. While I understand and have no problem with his philosophy, (run first) it's how he goes about it that drives me nuts. I still believe that this offense succeeds despite his poor calling and play selection.

Constant runs in the same gap with little or no results, that **** right side waggle, and the even worse left side waggle are staples in his offense that consistently result in no yardage.

The same pass routes run over and over and over....and most of them underneath routes and return (hook) routes that have DB's all over our receivers as soon as the ball reaches them. Wonder why Ryan can't find an open receiver? It's because the defense has seen the same route 20 times and knows how to be in position on most plays.

Yes...I understand their are exceptions. Roddy's scoring play yesterday was great but how long did MM wait before we tested a defense that gave up a billion yards in pass coverage this season? Even if not successful, a long pass here and there at least would keep a defense on their heels instead of coming forward to stop our short routes.

I think the team ran 2 true middle screens last season. So far this season I believe we have run 1. Why isnt this play utilized more often? If Turner isn't sure handed, then use Snelling? They are great change-ups and big gain plays.

The list goes on and on. Now I know people will say "I cant believe you are complaining, we are 4-1!"

Yes we are, and before that 9-7 and 11-5 but while MM may be the architect of the offense that brought us those records, his managing of his design is terrible and I am worried that it will cost us dearly when the big game is on the line.

MM is the reason why I really appreciate and love what Matt Ryan does. He triumphs over the adversity his own OC throws at him and I believe that HE is the reason this team has done as well as it has.

lol...you ever think it's funny how Turner only can't run against good run defenses? you ever think that's just one side of the ball EXECUTING better than the other side. it's not weird how Ryan can look dam near perfect against poor pass defenses, and look human when facing good ones? once again, Ryan, a young QB, might not be making mistakes? people have put Ryan on a pedestal too early in his career to the point, where if he's making mistakes it's Mularkey's fault(like the people who were saying it was Mularkey's fault Ryan threw that INT against Pittsburgh ) Mularkey has stated that there is a deep option in most the play calls...people on these forums have watched Ryan's eyes look downfield, decide against it, and go for the checkdown. it honestly is ridiculous that people continue to put all blame on Mularkey. So if we get another OC and Ryan still isn't throwing deep, will it still be the OC's fault? lol...get outta here people. the only gripe I have with MM's playbook is a lack of screens even when Matt Ryan is getting pummeled...other than that, I don't see how anybody can actually know a sliver of football and be mad at what MM has done with this offense(who honestly, on paper, has 2 good receiving options, and one of them is a TE). i've said it since last year and I'm going to say it again, get us a Viking-esque line, and we'll start seeing more games like the Saints game, with a stifling defense.

[rugger8]

The thing is, you have to appear predictable in order to be unpredictable.

Think of how play action works. You run, you run, you run, then you pass. The pass should work because the defense has prepared for a run.

The same works for any other plays. You run at one spot continually in order to open up another gap. Make the defense expect one thing so that you can do another.

I don't think Mularkey is as predictable, and certainly not as stupid, as some of you seem to think.

[illest_will]

The thing is, you have to appear predictable in order to be unpredictable.

Think of how play action works. You run, you run, you run, then you pass. The pass should work because the defense has prepared for a run.

The same works for any other plays. You run at one spot continually in order to open up another gap. Make the defense expect one thing so that you can do another.

I don't think Mularkey is as predictable, and certainly not as stupid, as some of you seem to think.

nah man, you're making sense get the **** outta here! if we're not getting 4.5 yards per carry(oh wait ) then we're doing something wrong!!

[falcons4life]

The thing is, you have to appear predictable in order to be unpredictable.

Think of how play action works. You run, you run, you run, then you pass. The pass should work because the defense has prepared for a run.

The same works for any other plays. You run at one spot continually in order to open up another gap. Make the defense expect one thing so that you can do another.

I don't think Mularkey is as predictable, and certainly not as stupid, as some of you seem to think.

I don't think MM is stupid, just set to deep in his ways. There is a difference between setting up the run or pass and being predictable. Your description of how you set-up play action is correct but what you are talking about is exploiting weakness. The team did just that on Sunday on the long pass to White. Their DB had just come back in after being shaken up and we went after him.

The predictability I speak of is not limited to whether or not its just run or pass, but where those runs and passes are directed. 8 runs in a row to the left side in the SF game with little result doesn't help play action because when you're 3rd and 8 the defense knows your are most likely going to pass.

While many are content on us being 4-1, I am looking forward as part of the big picture. We've squeaked out some games against what are considered lesser opponents. Unless the offense evolves into something less predictable and a bit more dynamic, we will struggle against stronger teams and in the playoffs.

I never expected this team to be a Saints or '98 Vikings type offense and as I mentioned, I know we are run first. That offensive style can have as much success as those others I mentioned as long as it's done effectively. I still believe Matt Ryan and the players have played above and beyond to get us to this point and have done it despite a predictably designed and called gameplan.

[coachx]

Take a step back and look at the game as a whole.

MM is more involved with defense's succes then many here realize. The Falcons are 2nd in the league, behind only the Steelers, in fewest points allowed per game. That is an outstanding stat when you realize we are aslo 2nd in the league in over all points given up even though several teams have played 1 less game b/c of their bye week.

The offenses ability to dominate time of possession is a direct correlation to our defense giving up so few points which is how you WIN !

Did you guys not see the Brown's defense using oxygen mask in the 1st half b/c they were wore out ?

MM is a heck of a coach !

Coach Smith wants a traditional, physical football team. If you don't like it maybe you should go root for the 'Aints !

Edited October 12, 2010 by coachx

[sdogg]

IMHO, That is all TG should be at this stage in his career. Used as a decoy, end zone threat and as a check down for Ryan. We have to get our WR's more involved in the passing game. With Jenkins returning, I think we may see just that.

With Roddy & Jenkins on the outside...teams have to respect their speed....TG can clear out many zones in the middle, for HD to exploit from the slot.

[illest_will]

I don't think MM is stupid, just set to deep in his ways. There is a difference between setting up the run or pass and being predictable. Your description of how you set-up play action is correct but what you are talking about is exploiting weakness. The team did just that on Sunday on the long pass to White. Their DB had just come back in after being shaken up and we went after him.

The predictability I speak of is not limited to whether or not its just run or pass, but where those runs and passes are directed. 8 runs in a row to the left side in the SF game with little result doesn't help play action because when you're 3rd and 8 the defense knows your are most likely going to pass.

While many are content on us being 4-1, I am looking forward as part of the big picture. We've squeaked out some games against what are considered lesser opponents. Unless the offense evolves into something less predictable and a bit more dynamic, we will struggle against stronger teams and in the playoffs.

I never expected this team to be a Saints or '98 Vikings type offense and as I mentioned, I know we are run first. That offensive style can have as much success as those others I mentioned as long as it's done effectively. I still believe Matt Ryan and the players have played above and beyond to get us to this point and have done it despite a predictably designed and called gameplan.

so having the 2nd rushing offense in the league OBVIOUSLY constitutes running people on the same side all game long? there was probably a mismatch they were trying to exploit on that side, we never got to bust one. sometimes defensive execution beats offensive execution...people HAVE to get this through their heads.

[rugger8]

I don't think MM is stupid, just set to deep in his ways. There is a difference between setting up the run or pass and being predictable. Your description of how you set-up play action is correct but what you are talking about is exploiting weakness. The team did just that on Sunday on the long pass to White. Their DB had just come back in after being shaken up and we went after him.

The predictability I speak of is not limited to whether or not its just run or pass, but where those runs and passes are directed. 8 runs in a row to the left side in the SF game with little result doesn't help play action because when you're 3rd and 8 the defense knows your are most likely going to pass.

While many are content on us being 4-1, I am looking forward as part of the big picture. We've squeaked out some games against what are considered lesser opponents. Unless the offense evolves into something less predictable and a bit more dynamic, we will struggle against stronger teams and in the playoffs.

I never expected this team to be a Saints or '98 Vikings type offense and as I mentioned, I know we are run first. That offensive style can have as much success as those others I mentioned as long as it's done effectively. I still believe Matt Ryan and the players have played above and beyond to get us to this point and have done it despite a predictably designed and called gameplan.

I think you are overstating your case, and exaggerating Mularkey's tendencies, but +1 for a civil discussion.

I understand what you're saying about being predictable- I would just be surprised if, in fact, he went 8 times in a row to the same side if it wasn't working. I'm not going to rewatch it, but was that statement simply hyperbole?

[Robb4242]

The 40+ TD pass to White was a thing of beauty for 2 reasons.

1) MM acknowledged that the corner just came into the game after sitting out for a couple of plays. Right away, we test him with Roddy on a deep post. Roddy had no problem. That's how you do it.

2) If you watch the replay, TG runs a route that attracts both his corner and the deep safety, allowing White to go 1 on 1 with the injured corner. We need to use TG as a decoy more often. We'll have more opportunities to hit White, HD, or Fin.

Statement #1 I agree with.

Statement #2, I'm not so sure, at least in the context of MM finally doing it. We have run similar plays before with TG and having him attract the attention of the safety, however we have not pulled the trigger on the deep pass. We've either gone underneath to TG anyway or dumped it off somewhere else. Not sure why this is exactly, but my guess is that Ryan doesn't really trust the OL to give him the extra second or two he needs to deliver the deep ball accurately. JMO, I think in the situation in the Browns game, MM most likely told Ryan when he gave him the play that he had to take the deep shot since they were trying to take advantage of the corner who had just returned to the game. This wasn't the 1st time we've set defenses up for the deeper routes, it's just the first time we've successfully taken advantage of it (2nd time we've tried it, 1st time successfully).

[Falco4]

Statement #1 I agree with.

Statement #2, I'm not so sure, at least in the context of MM finally doing it. We have run similar plays before with TG and having him attract the attention of the safety, however we have not pulled the trigger on the deep pass. We've either gone underneath to TG anyway or dumped it off somewhere else. Not sure why this is exactly, but my guess is that Ryan doesn't really trust the OL to give him the extra second or two he needs to deliver the deep ball accurately. JMO, I think in the situation in the Browns game, MM most likely told Ryan when he gave him the play that he had to take the deep shot since they were trying to take advantage of the corner who had just returned to the game. This wasn't the 1st time we've set defenses up for the deeper routes, it's just the first time we've successfully taken advantage of it (2nd time we've tried it, 1st time successfully).

I guess it's the first time that I saw it on film (with the entire field). TG got immediate attention by 2 defenders...Ryan didn't even look his way yet. I do agree that it's either a combination of Ryan not trusting his OL to give him enough time, or he doesn't trust in his other WRs besides White & TG.

I would really love it if we could get a hold of the game film for every falcons game. No audio. Just a wide shot of the entire field.

[falken]

Ryan even said before the season started that when he watched tape of the A-list QB's that one thing he noticed was how often they 'checked down' and took what the defense was giving them.

24-13 in spite of Mularkey? As well written as your post was I can't believe that you would think an offensive coordinator in this league could start with a first year QB while implementing a new system and think their success shouldn't be a consideration but their failures should.

No offense, but it sounds to me that you have it made up in your mind about Mularkey and refuse to waver.

The fact is that you don't have to blame anyone. We're 4-1.

Some weeks we will struggle because defensive coordinators are also paid in this league. But. imo, Mike Smith and the fans of this franchise were lucky as heck that Mularkey was available. Smith being a defensive minded HC needs someone like Mularkey with his vast experience to be successful. Both sides of the ball are working well together. The only complaints I'm hearing about Mularkey come from this message board....and usually only after a loss.

[Hashbrown3]

The 40+ TD pass to White was a thing of beauty for 2 reasons.

1) MM acknowledged that the corner just came into the game after sitting out for a couple of plays. Right away, we test him with Roddy on a deep post. Roddy had no problem. That's how you do it.

2) If you watch the replay, TG runs a route that attracts both his corner and the deep safety, allowing White to go 1 on 1 with the injured corner. We need to use TG as a decoy more often. We'll have more opportunities to hit White, HD, or Fin.

Dude your not supposed to make such lucid and well thought out points... It just ain't right man

[SLEVEN]

The 40+ TD pass to White was a thing of beauty for 2 reasons.

1) MM acknowledged that the corner just came into the game after sitting out for a couple of plays. Right away, we test him with Roddy on a deep post. Roddy had no problem. That's how you do it.

2) If you watch the replay, TG runs a route that attracts both his corner and the deep safety, allowing White to go 1 on 1 with the injured corner. We need to use TG as a decoy more often. We'll have more opportunities to hit White, HD, or Fin.

Isn't this exacly what Charles Davis said in the game? You just took out the quotes and used it as your own lol