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Ryan, Farve, Schaub, and Vick

And sadly this is what those four starters have turned into for the Falcons:

Matt Ryan: Matt Ryan. Good move.

Brett Favre: Tony Smith, RB. Had one good year as a kick returner, failed as a runningback.

Matt Schaub: JA98, Justin Blalock, Harry Douglas, and Kroy Biermann.

JA98 = Bust. Blalock = I like him, others not so much. HD83 = Hopefully our longtime number 2/slot. Biermann = Our new sack machine. Good deal now, wasn't last year.

Michael Vick: Nothing.

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Vick is the one that kills me. We should have got something for him, like a comp pick based on his initial contract when he re-entered the league. We should be getting their first round pick, they got our former Pro Bowl QB for nothing...

Not sure about the rules and regs concerning a situation like Vick. Maybe someone with more insight into the NFL rules could enlighten the issue.

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He was a free agent. The falcons released him as far as i remember.

Should the falcons have kept Vick on the roster since his guaranteed money could not be returned? Therefore, owning Vick's rights and free to trade or deal. It does look bad not getting anything for Vick if that is true. No recouped money or player compensation.

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The Falcons had to do what they did with Vick, it wasnt just the dog fighting man,

Remember the water bottle ?

How Bout the shady guys he took to the Pro Bowl with him ?

but above all that his attitude in general when all this went down, he was out at the club when all the legal stuff was in full swing...

Remember what he said to the media at the Club ????

I am M Vick everyone loves me and will continue to love me....

That 1 Statement sealed his Fate in Atlanta imo

it would have if i were the Owner.

Its easy to forget how bad M Vick hurt this team and the fans after the Patrino garbage,,,,

I Thought M Vick would never play in the NFL again.

But he was right , everyone still loves him, even here in Atlanta when he is crapping on the Falcons again like he did last yr...

Disgraceful

everyone talks about all state Super Bowls

hey maybe we are on our way to

The Penn State Thug Bowl

M Vick the dog lover and the Eagles vs Big Ben the Gentleman and the Steelers

again

Disgraceful

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The Falcons had to do what they did with Vick, it wasnt just the dog fighting man,

Remember the water bottle ?

How Bout the shady guys he took to the Pro Bowl with him ?

but above all that his attitude in general when all this went down, he was out at the club when all the legal stuff was in full swing...

Remember what he said to the media at the Club ????

I am M Vick everyone loves me and will continue to love me....

That 1 Statement sealed his Fate in Atlanta imo

it would have if i were the Owner.

Its easy to forget how bad M Vick hurt this team and the fans after the Patrino garbage,,,,

I Thought M Vick would never play in the NFL again.

But he was right , everyone still loves him, even here in Atlanta when he is crapping on the Falcons again like he did last yr...

Disgraceful

everyone talks about all state Super Bowls

hey maybe we are on our way to

The Penn State Thug Bowl

M Vick the dog lover and the Eagles vs Big Ben the Gentleman and the Steelers

again

Disgraceful

So you have no insight into the actual rules and regs of what the Falcons could have done with Vick? An emotional response to a business question. We our asking about how maybe dealing with the situation mentally not emotionally could have benefited the Falcons upon losing Vick. ATL lost Vick for nothing, could someone with knowledge of situations like Vick please respond? No, I hate Vick reponses. Thank you.

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So you have no insight into the actual rules and regs of what the Falcons could have done with Vick? An emotional response to a business question. We our asking about how maybe dealing with the situation mentally not emotionally could have benefited the Falcons upon losing Vick. ATL lost Vick for nothing, could someone with knowledge of situations like Vick please respond? No, I hate Vick reponses. Thank you.

dude the written rules mean shyt....

these guys are real life super heroes

Kids love them, everyone loves them...

they make millions of dollars ...

they have a responsibility to maintain a higher moral value imo....

i loved watching vick play more than anyone, but the written rules to what we could have done , whatever , they dont apply .

TD tried to get a Pick, no1 was gonna give 1 , they knew the Falcons were gonna cut him, was no secret to anyone he would never play in Atlanta again, AB said as much....

and Philly lmao

they had a plan all along

i knew when they traded Mcnabb Vick was gonna be their Starter...

so did they

this Kolb deal was a lurry smoke screen....

ppl deserve a second chance, and Vick is saying all the right things....

so if nothing else he has a much better PR man than he did when he was here lol

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4253231

This link might shed some light on the Vick situation.

In summary, the Falcons could not find any early takers for a trade over several months. Dimitroff wanted the Falcons having a clean slate(morality over business) and released Vick. Likewise, ATL was still liable for a 6.4mil salary cap hit. I understand, AB & TD's decision but financially it looks like a bad one in hindsight. Drafting Ryan and having Vick still on the roster could have caused problems(loyalty to Vick over a young Ryan), so I think AB & TD were right to bite the bullet(financially).

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dude the written rules mean shyt....

these guys are real life super heroes

Kids love them, everyone loves them...

they make millions of dollars ...

they have a responsibility to maintain a higher moral value imo....

A bum on the street has the same obligation to moral standards as a high paid millionaire. Players do have to conform to societies norms, but no more than anyone else. Envy is ugly.

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basicaly be careful what Crap you place on your Mantle ....

a bum on the street , is not on any mantles

I watch the NFL to see football played at the highest level...not for moral guidance. I'm not an idol worshipper, so nothing but pictures of my family are on my mantle. Definetly not any athlete, whose temptations are often greater than the average individual. Mo money Mo problems. Although wealth is a good problem LOL!

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Not sure about the rules and regs concerning a situation like Vick. Maybe someone with more insight into the NFL rules could enlighten the issue.

We tried to trade him, but as AB categorically said Vick would never play for this team again, we didn't really have a leg to stand on. Every team in the NFL knew we would release Vick.

I think AD and everyone associated with the Falcons wanted a clean slate, and in that respect I think they made the right decision. Obviously from a financial point of view it wasn't great - but it's AB's money.

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Love Ryan and love what Schaub has become. In hindsight, we should have just kept him and dropped Vick.

Speaking of which, the other 2--You can keep 'em!

Favre is a sure HOF, SB winner and Vick led us to an NFC Championship game and consistent national attention. I like Ryan but he nor Schaub have accomplished anything yet in real tangible terms. Stats mean nothing over playoff wins and SB titles. I hope Ryan leads ATL into that realm of accomplishment or better.

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We tried to trade him, but as AB categorically said Vick would never play for this team again, we didn't really have a leg to stand on. Every team in the NFL knew we would release Vick.

I think AD and everyone associated with the Falcons wanted a clean slate, and in that respect I think they made the right decision. Obviously from a financial point of view it wasn't great - but it's AB's money.

If you follow all my post, I agree with you. Thanks anyway.

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Vick is the one that kills me. We should have got something for him, like a comp pick based on his initial contract when he re-entered the league. We should be getting their first round pick, they got our former Pro Bowl QB for nothing...

Vick was scheduled to make like $13 mill for another 4 years or so. No one was willing to pay him that when his legal troubles were unresolved ! They were willing to wait on us to cut him so they could resign him after the legal stuff was over on the cheap ! What he Vick making now ? Maybe $2 mill this season ?

Come on man ! Use your head ! You act like you don't even grasp the basics of waht the situation was then.

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Also Leftwich would be starting it Pittsburgh if he hadnt gotten hurt (again)That's actually 5 NFL starters....The sad part as we have never had anyone to coach them up to their potential..

we didnt draft leftwich tho ;)

that would be the Jags,

ppl in Jax still say Ravens cursed them for letting leftwich drop to them lol ^_^

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Should the falcons have kept Vick on the roster since his guaranteed money could not be returned? Therefore, owning Vick's rights and free to trade or deal. It does look bad not getting anything for Vick if that is true. No recouped money or player compensation.

I thought they should have........I understand they did not want any problems with fans and the development of Matt being the leader of this team. I just think we should of got our money worth out of the guy. We basically flushed money down the drain.

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Its easy to forget how bad M Vick hurt this team and the fans after the Patrino garbage,,,,

I Thought M Vick would never play in the NFL again.

But he was right , everyone still loves him, even here in Atlanta when he is crapping on the Falcons again like he did last yr...

Disgraceful

everyone talks about all state Super Bowls

hey maybe we are on our way to

The Penn State Thug Bowl

M Vick the dog lover and the Eagles vs Big Ben the Gentleman and the Steelers

again

Disgraceful

And you presume a person can't make a mistake, and a person can't change. Errors of their past has to be held over their head forever. As I said many times on this board most support Vick as a person trying to make amends with the mistakes of the past, not as an opposing football player. Same reason why Andy Reid, his teammates, and most of the NFL players supports him. Those who had close friends & family members whose seen them go through trials and tribulation would understand. I suspect the self-righteous living a perfect life won't. Let's just hope they never make a mistake.

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