Ryan, Malarkey, our WRs...

[maxatlanta]

I am reading a lot of threads about deficiencies in Ryan's ability to get the ball downfield. Some blame our OC, others the WRs, Gonzo, or Ryan. Yes, everyone plays a role. But what has been lost in the shuffle is that our OL is not very good in pass protection.

Ryan, like Peyton Manning, is very good at getting rid of the ball quickly and especially when the blitz is coming. Because of this, he masks the fact that our Oline doesn't provide the protection that Manning, Brady, and Brees get. It's difficult to throw the ball downfield when the QB doesn't have time in the pocket.

I wish everyone mentioned in all these complaints would do a better job. But until we see a consistent pocket of protection for Ryan, it is wrong to lay so much blame on everyone-but-the-OL. And before people start shouting about Aaron Rodgers, remember that he's got 3 more years in the league than Ryan. Rodgers is also an exceptional probowl level QB. Still, he holds the ball too long and is responsible for some of his own sacks.

I guess what I really am trying to get across is that sometimes Malarkey calls plays with deep routes, sometimes the WR run the routes well enough to get a catch, and many times Ryan simply isn't protected well enough to let it develop or get the ball there.

[The ANSwer]

I am reading a lot of threads about deficiencies in Ryan's ability to get the ball downfield. Some blame our OC, others the WRs, Gonzo, or Ryan. Yes, everyone plays a role. But what has been lost in the shuffle is that our OL is not very good in pass protection.

Ryan, like Peyton Manning, is very good at getting rid of the ball quickly and especially when the blitz is coming. Because of this, he masks the fact that our Oline doesn't provide the protection that Manning, Brady, and Brees get. It's difficult to throw the ball downfield when the QB doesn't have time in the pocket.

I wish everyone mentioned in all these complaints would do a better job. But until we see a consistent pocket of protection for Ryan, it is wrong to lay so much blame on everyone-but-the-OL. And before people start shouting about Aaron Rodgers, remember that he's got 3 more years in the league than Ryan. Rodgers is also an exceptional probowl level QB. Still, he holds the ball too long and is responsible for some of his own sacks.

I guess what I really am trying to get across is that sometimes Malarkey calls plays with deep routes, sometimes the WR run the routes well enough to get a catch, and many times Ryan simply isn't protected well enough to let it develop or get the ball there.

Matty had the fewest sacks as a rookie because of his release and decision making. Not the OL.

[ballfan]

No agenda here, but did Ryan ATTEMPT any deep passes? it is really hard to see on TV if anyone is open down field, or even if the Receiver is open. No way I can place the blame anywhere from my seat, but I know you MUST toss a deep ball once ion a while to keep the DB's honest.

I think Ryan needs to use the pump fake more. That might cause enough hesitation to help his Receivers get separation.

[freebird310]

Yea I agree guys .His pocket awareness, ability to sense pressure and move away from it,protect the football, is prolly his greatest asset .......he does make our O-line look a little better than they actually are ......

[freebird310]

No agenda here, but did Ryan ATTEMPT any deep passes? it is really hard to see on TV if anyone is open down field, or even if the Receiver is open. No way I can place the blame anywhere from my seat, but I know you MUST toss a deep ball once ion a while to keep the DB's honest.

I think Ryan needs to use the pump fake more. That might cause enough hesitation to help his Receivers get separation.

I agree wholeheatedly ...a little pump to Gonzo have the entire defense falling down to get to him, LOL . Matt still needs to learn how to look off and use his eyes to move defenses like Bree's .....it is coming, it is coming ......

[Upstate NY Falcon]

No agenda here, but did Ryan ATTEMPT any deep passes? it is really hard to see on TV if anyone is open down field, or even if the Receiver is open. No way I can place the blame anywhere from my seat, but I know you MUST toss a deep ball once ion a while to keep the DB's honest.

I think Ryan needs to use the pump fake more. That might cause enough hesitation to help his Receivers get separation.

He didn't have time for a double move to develop.

[Upstate NY Falcon]

I agree wholeheatedly ...a little pump to Gonzo have the entire defense falling down to get to him, LOL . Matt still needs to learn how to look off and use his eyes to move defenses like Bree's .....it is coming, it is coming ......

That is actually one of the things matty ice is really good at. I know on the INT he telegraphed it with his eyes but you watch game film on him he almost always does a great job of staring the safety down and looking off safeties and linebackers.

[illest_will]

That is actually one of the things matty ice is really good at. I know on the INT he telegraphed it with his eyes but you watch game film on him he almost always does a great job of staring the safety down and looking off safeties and linebackers.

that's what i don't get. everybody always says he locks onto receivers, the only time i saw it blatantly was in the Cowboys game. usually I see him look down the middle of the field, I'm assuming reading the defense, then throw the ball where he thinks it fits.

[freebird310]

That is actually one of the things matty ice is really good at. I know on the INT he telegraphed it with his eyes but you watch game film on him he almost always does a great job of staring the safety down and looking off safeties and linebackers.

Some ....but he needs to get better at it IMO .......and he will ..

[cyofish]

No agenda here, but did Ryan ATTEMPT any deep passes? it is really hard to see on TV if anyone is open down field, or even if the Receiver is open. No way I can place the blame anywhere from my seat, but I know you MUST toss a deep ball once ion a while to keep the DB's honest.

I think Ryan needs to use the pump fake more. That might cause enough hesitation to help his Receivers get separation.

Can't throw a deep pass in 2 seconds. As for Brady, Manning, Rodgers etc. these guys can stand in the pocket for eternity without being harassed.

[#1 pick]

Ryan and Peyton Manning shouldn't be in the same convo man. That's like saying, Redman like Peyton Manning can throw a pretty accurate deep ball.

Edited September 17, 2010 by #1 pick

[madman88]

I am reading a lot of threads about deficiencies in Ryan's ability to get the ball downfield. Some blame our OC, others the WRs, Gonzo, or Ryan. Yes, everyone plays a role. But what has been lost in the shuffle is that our OL is not very good in pass protection.

Ryan, like Peyton Manning, is very good at getting rid of the ball quickly and especially when the blitz is coming. Because of this, he masks the fact that our Oline doesn't provide the protection that Manning, Brady, and Brees get. It's difficult to throw the ball downfield when the QB doesn't have time in the pocket.

I wish everyone mentioned in all these complaints would do a better job. But until we see a consistent pocket of protection for Ryan, it is wrong to lay so much blame on everyone-but-the-OL. And before people start shouting about Aaron Rodgers, remember that he's got 3 more years in the league than Ryan. Rodgers is also an exceptional probowl level QB. Still, he holds the ball too long and is responsible for some of his own sacks.

I guess what I really am trying to get across is that sometimes Malarkey calls plays with deep routes, sometimes the WR run the routes well enough to get a catch, and many times Ryan simply isn't protected well enough to let it develop or get the ball there.

ok i agree that the o-line is part of the problem, but when u say rodgers, he didnt have a LT when he put up thoes kind of numbers, and his o-line was pretty bad as well.... but anyway, yes the line is part of the problem, but the only time we go deep is off of play action, so if we cant run the ball we wont go deep, how pathetic is that???? when we go deep its a two WR set going deep to top it off, which can easily be covered.... one of the main problems with this offense is we need to stop being so predictable and stail.... the offense does work in one, but i have seen where the line gives ryan time, but he doesnt go through his progressions like he suppoes to, and just stares down one guy....

[madman88]

that's what i don't get. everybody always says he locks onto receivers, the only time i saw it blatantly was in the Cowboys game. usually I see him look down the middle of the field, I'm assuming reading the defense, then throw the ball where he thinks it fits.

then ur not looking hard enough my firend... look a lil closer and u will see that he does have a very bad tendency to stare down gonzo or white, i be looking real close to see if he is going to go through his progressions to find another reciever but he doesnt, and sometimes its because of the line, but when he does have time he doesnt look off for another target.... which is y gonzo almost got his head tore off on that one play

[#1 pick]

1. His window is small since he doesn't have much velocity on his throws.

2. His WR/TE's (exclude Roddy) do not get separation.

3. The LT is having issues. Blalock had to cover for him a lot in the pass two seasons.

4. He's just not very confidence at the moment.

The talent is there though. Whoever says he's Chad P or the next Chris C. couldn't be more incorrect. He could be a top 10 QB in the NFL without question if things change.

Edited September 17, 2010 by #1 pick

[madman88]

He didn't have time for a double move to develop.

double moves arn't the only way to go deep, its pretty sad when DD threw the ball deeper then ryan did all game... that actually p***** me off in a sense that MM sees that and still he insist on playing a conservative game plan....

[LADBABY]

The out routes he is throwing are long throws and

if they were aimed down the center of the field we

wouldn't be having this discussion.

The other thing that would help give an appearance

of having a wide open offense would be to throw some

passes to receivers in stride. That doesn't happen

very often. Everything is contained, the catch is

made, our receiver tries to shake off a tackle and

start up again but a crowd gathers and he can't get

any extra yards. These could be shorter throws than

we are making now with the benefit of a better chance

at yards after the catch.

[maxatlanta]

Ryan absolutly had tunnel vision for Gonzo last year. We should all be able to agree on that(and disagree on if it was worth it). But against an aggressive defense that was applying constant pressure last Sunday, he hit HD 3 times, Weems 4 times, and threw more passes to our rbs than he has in the past. I don't think he stared Roddy down on the int, the replay showed he was looking over the middle and got rid of it quickly. He probably was guilty of deciding to go to Roddy pre snap. Perhaps with more protection he wouldn't rely on doing that as much. It's good when he hits a hot route to beat the blitz, but he may be doing it more often than necessary and that was no hot route.

[maxatlanta]

The out routes he is throwing are long throws and

if they were aimed down the center of the field we

wouldn't be having this discussion.

The other thing that would help give an appearance

of having a wide open offense would be to throw some

passes to receivers in stride. That doesn't happen

very often. Everything is contained, the catch is

made, our receiver tries to shake off a tackle and

start up again but a crowd gathers and he can't get

any extra yards. These could be shorter throws than

we are making now with the benefit of a better chance

at yards after the catch.

My single biggest complaint about our offense is the WR routes. Ryan is exactly the kind of QB that can hit guys 5-15 yards downfield in stride and give them the best shot for YAC. He is smart and accurate. Yet we seem to run outs and curls exclusively with our outside recievers.

[madman88]

Ryan absolutly had tunnel vision for Gonzo last year. We should all be able to agree on that(and disagree on if it was worth it). But against an aggressive defense that was applying constant pressure last Sunday, he hit HD 3 times, Weems 4 times, and threw more passes to our rbs than he has in the past. I don't think he stared Roddy down on the int, the replay showed he was looking over the middle and got rid of it quickly. He probably was guilty of deciding to go to Roddy pre snap. Perhaps with more protection he wouldn't rely on doing that as much. It's good when he hits a hot route to beat the blitz, but he may be doing it more often than necessary and that was no hot route.

he got picked off cause they ran that same route like 6-7 times man, that was there bread-and-butter in that game, and thats y it got picked off, they knew wat was comming....

[Mr. Right]

And how long have we known our pass protection is terrible? Even when Michael Vick was here, our o-line was sub-par and half of the QB scrambles was the result of not having enough time for the play to develop.

If this perception of our o-line being terrible is true, why have our coaches not addressed it? Either it's because our coaches are sub-standard or our o-line is competent but we just have a game-managing QB.

[maxatlanta]

he got picked off cause they ran that same route like 6-7 times man, that was there bread-and-butter in that game, and thats y it got picked off, they knew wat was comming....

Would have been the perfect time to try an "out & up." We did an ok job of taking what the defense gave us most of the day(doubling Tony and clogging the run lanes), definately didn't on that play. Gotta also give credit to Lebeau and Polamalu, perfect play call and execution on their part.