The Falcon Jedi Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I am going off the chain here and saying this.I dont think having an Elite Pass-Catching TE has ever worked in the NFL. And this is why:The TE is usually a tall, big target, usually open within 10 yards downfield. If y ou are a QB and you see a big bulls-eye like that, wouldnt you be tempted to throw to him all the time? And that is not necessarily a Bad thing. Not saying tha's bad.But if you are a QB you start seeing that target, and you know he is a Hall Of Fame player, and you - being a young QB - is going to try to earn to Rep points with a guy like that. Because that is what the Organization is paying a TE to do - Catch The Football.Now, after spending a couple of years doing that, and knowing you always have that Safety Valve to always go to, wouldnt it become almost instictive to make 1 read before checking down to that TE? He's a sure-handed receiver, you know that. But now as the QB you have fallen into this groove of looking for your #1 WR, then checking down to the TE.That is what Ryan has fallen into. He basically has An 2 receivers when he throws the ball. Roddy and Gonzo. And Defenses are seeing that. Defenses are starting to zone in on Ryan's tendencies. They are also starting to pick up on his cadence at the LOS, and jump the ball-snap.Now having said that. There are Coaches that are being paid a lot of money to direct Ryan, and adjust what theyre doing wrong, and it doesnt seem like they are.Mike Mularkey is Not a Coach. He is a Schemer. He designs Schemes, but he doesnt actually Coach anything. He doesnt seem to be advising what the QB is doing wrong or right, or helps fix things during a game that needs to be adjusted. He makes no game day adjustments at all because - he is not an actual Coach. He sets a game plan down and just sticks with that, regardless of the consequences, regardless of the current situation. That is why he just sits up in that glass box every game, watching things from a PS3 perspective. He is looking at schemes, and defensive schemes, but he isnt down there "in the actual game". He is sitting high up away from his entire Offense, and not listening to what those 11 guys are complaining about, and talking to Ryan in a microphone.Bill Musgrave, being Ryan's QB Coach, should be doing something to fill that void, but he doesnt seem to be doing anything other than defer to whatever Mularkey says - which is nothing. When the D-Line of the opposing team is jumping the snap - you should be changing something up and relaying that to the QB. This happened in Arizona, and it happened again in Pittsburgh. There seems to be a communication disconnect, or lack of coaching involved there. Ryan is doing something that is giving his snap count away, and the fact that hasnt been corrected by now really dissapoints me and my faith in this offensive coaching staff.When Matt Ryan was a rookie QB, he didnt know much. He knew enough of the playbook to get the offense to the Line of Scrimmage, and he knew where his WRs might be. But for the most part he just went out there and PLAYED FOOTBALL. He called Audibles, his own plays, and just played on natural instinct. And he was phenomenal. Now, he just seems to be lost. Trying to think too much. Tunneling in on Roddy, and if he's not open then trying to find Gonzo. That is what is killing this offense.When Ryan was a rookie, he scrambled, he made plays. He found someone open down-field. He took chances. He didnt throw to the sideline every pass play like he has been doing since last year. He used to throw down the middle with authority. And for 1 year in 2008 he was a Star. He was going to be the Next Best Thing. Because he just did what he knew how to do - MAKE A PLAY! Make a Play, Make it Happen.SCREW MULARKEY'S PLAYBOOK! IT SUCKS! Do your own thing and Make It Happen. I saw it in 2008 just like the rest of the World did. Just do that and screw everything else. Run the No-Huddle, Call your own Plays. Call Audibles. RUN THE OFFENSE YOURSELF.And forget Tony G. is even on this team. Find All of the WRs, All 3 of them on a Play and stop making the TE your check-down. Find the 2nd or 3rd WR. Spread the Offense out.Spread the Offense back out will cause the Defense to Spread Out and that will give Turner more room to run. Just like in 2008. Remember?Just Do It, and Stop Thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Falcon4Ever- Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 In order for this to work Ryan needs at least 4 to 10 seconds. but surprisingly many plays are breaking down at the 3 second and less marks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconcheff Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I agree, Jedi, and I have said last year and now this one, that I want an OC who gameplans every week against every individual opponent's weakness and exploits it all game, NOT an OC who instills his offense and runs the same system every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
controlfreak Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I can only respond to opening statement because the thread was too long. Kellen Winslow Sr. work. The big TE for The Triplet Cowboys worked. Gonzalez even worked in KC. This is all on Ryan. He is so enamored with Tony that he is forgetting how to play QB.He needs to quit trying to be Peyton and take a few pages from Brees. Spread the friggin ball around and take a few shots down field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 its not all ryans fault or tony g fault, u cant expect tony to catch when he is doubled like he was in that game, and yes ryan does need to look off of tony more, but he's also not to blame.... ryan actually threw the ball 44 times in that game, but we only had ONE catch over 20 yards.... out of 44 attemps.... that means we weren't stretching the field at all the whole game which made it actually easier on the steelers defense since they could just squat on everything.... this is getting annoying now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Once again I'll say, you don't get rid of a player for being too good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbravesfalcs7 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 i would agree with you, but ryan isn't only passing the ball to gonzo. HD and weems had 7 catches combined, and gonzo had a total of 2 receptions.roddy was the heavy target, which isn't a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 i would agree with you, but ryan isn't only passing the ball to gonzo. HD and weems had 7 catches combined, and gonzo had a total of 2 receptions.roddy was the heavy target, which isn't a bad thing.Yea but how many times did Ryan try to force the ball to Gonzo the 1st half of that game, and not succeed. He wanted to get Gonzo that 1000th catch, and he kept trying and trying until finally he stopped. That cost the offense doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbravesfalcs7 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) Yea but how many times did Ryan try to force the ball to Gonzo the 1st half of that game, and not succeed. He wanted to get Gonzo that 1000th catch, and he kept trying and trying until finally he stopped. That cost the offense doing that.what really cost the offense was not being able to run the ball, but ryan definitely does force the ball to gonzo.but he is spreading the ball around, and doing much better than qbs like sanchez. Edited September 14, 2010 by atlbravesfalcs7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 (edited) what really cost the offense was not being able to run the ball, but ryan definitely does force the ball to gonzo.but he is spreading the ball around, and doing much better than qbs like sanchez.Saying you are better than Sanchez is like saying you are the Tallest Midget in the Room. That is nothing to be proud of. Edited September 14, 2010 by The Falcon Jedi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbravesfalcs7 Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Saying you are better than Sanchez is like saying you are the Tallest Midget in the Room. That is nothing to be proud of.other than the one, HUGE mistake ryan had late in the 4th i thought he played decent against a tough defense. especially considering we had absolutely zero run game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 other than the one, HUGE mistake ryan had late in the 4th i thought he played decent against a tough defense. especially considering we had absolutely zero run game. I thought he played decent. But he nearly had another INT earlier that the Steeler LB dropped in his hands. He had a decent game, but not the kind of game we need from him to get to the Playoffs this season. Otherwise we may as well just try to be the Jets and rely on our Defemse and expect mediocre QB play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 I bet you are the most obnoxious dude in real life. You obviously love the sound of your own voice. Just wait a little bit before making another thread, Jesus, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 I bet you are the most obnoxious dude in real life. You obviously love the sound of your own voice. Just wait a little bit before making another thread, Jesus, man.You are correct. I suck. And I just gave you a +1 for stating that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 You are correct. I suck. And I just gave you a +1 for stating that.I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just don't understand why you have to keep starting new threads. And this one is about the same thing another one you started is about, man. I just don't understand you is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crabs&cancer Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Wow, and you've figured this out after watching just one game, the first game of the season. Kudos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just don't understand why you have to keep starting new threads. And this one is about the same thing another one you started is about, man. I just don't understand you is all.+1 Again. Your rep is really getting up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 Wow, and you've figured this out after watching just one game, the first game of the season. Kudos.I have only actually watched 1 Falcon Game my entire life. I dont know what Im talking about. You are right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 +1 Again. Your rep is really getting up there.Thanks, playa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 Thanks, playa.Another +1 for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Another +1 for you.Don't know what your game is, sir... but I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Falcon Jedi Posted September 14, 2010 Author Share Posted September 14, 2010 Don't know what your game is, sir... but I like it.Just being the friendly falcon fan everyone wants me to be. Another +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 Just being the friendly falcon fan everyone wants me to be. Another +1+1 back at you. I never said be friendly or don't criticize. The team deserves criticism after that game, just maybe, not so often? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted September 14, 2010 Share Posted September 14, 2010 i don't disagree at all with your thought process. Since Tony G has been here you see Matt constantly looking for him, rather than doing what he did best in 08--spread the ball around. But i don't think its simply related to Tony being a HOFer--sorta. I think it's more related to the fact, that we have simply never surrounded Matt with a lot of weapons beyond White and Tony G. Turner in 08, was a different back. He was gaining huge chunks and opening up the passing game, as well as inspiring confidence in Matt. Matt was starting in 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 4 situations in 08. Well the last two years we know how that has worked out. The pressure on Matt is extreme, plus who the **** is really stepping up as a wr beyond white? I understand the push in the draft to get defense, but frankly its time to get some more playmakers. I watched the chiefs and guess what they blew as an offense. But Charles and McCluster--two playmakers--broke the game open despite their woes. Who are our gamechangers? That explosive 1 carry or 1 touch take it to the house guy? Bottom line we drafted Matt high, now surround him with weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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