Looks like the Clausen era may start sooner than expected.

[Big Bubba]

Back to week one of '09. A qb that single handily lost a game. All of Moore's 3 ints were in the end zone, all 3 were just lobs high into the air where 4-5 defenders had time to run to and surround the lone receivers. All 3 were in the same area.

Some of the beating I chalk up to the Giants wanting revenge for the 41-9 beating the Panthers gave them last season. Giants probably won't play that motivated the rest of the season.

Fox refusing to run the ball in the second half was a decision I'll never understand. The fact that the rb that ran for over 200 yards on the Giants last season got such limited touches makes me wonder exactly what was going on there. Giants defense needed a power runner to beat them, not an elusive runner.

My rant is over.

It seems the Clausen era may be upon Carolina. I get the feeling the Panthers will get back to basics next week against the Bucs by running 40+ times on them with Clausen only having to hit Smith down the field once a quarter. If that happens and the Panthers win, Clausen will be the clear cut starter. He'll be given a lot more leeway than Moore since the Panthers actually have a 2nd round draft pick invested in him. I guess it's the way of the game.

[SaintRay]

I kinda feel for the Panthers QB issues right now. Throwing Clausen in right now isn't the ideal situation for him development-wise because you have a coach on the hotseat as well. Could get ugly.

[jungleking]

Why? What sense does it make? Moore has started in the NFL, he's performed well before. His teammates respect him. His interceptions were awful, but they were also completely unexpected-in the past he has never been that reckless with the ball. If it continues, fine, but as a young quarterback leading a team for the first time, some growing pains are expected. Even ones as bad as these. If his mistakes persist, then you have to start thinking about pulling him. But replacing a young quarterback who has shown promise when running this offense with a quarterback who showed promise running a college offense isn't a fantastic change. There's no upside to it. We are the youngest team in the NFL. Hopefully, things come together this year, and I still think the pieces are in place for some good results, but don't be surprised if the team doesn't mature as fast as we hope.

And you already found the problem with the offense, one of them anyway. The running game was completely abandoned. I'm sure a lot of it had to do with Otah's absence and the quality drop on the right side of the line, but moving away from the #1 scoring running game in the League so that a quarterback starting out his first season can make or break the team just doesn't make that much sense to me. Otah's absence also played **** on our pass protection, making Moore's job even harder. There's plenty to be frustrated about in that game (Pass D?!?!?) but unfortunately, no quick solution. And replacing a quarterback with fragile confidence with one who needs to be brought along slowly is going to do more harm than good.

[Big Bubba]

Yeah that's the thing that worries me. Clausen will be thrown directly into the fire.

Before the selection, I thought Clausen was the best qb of the '10 draft. Now that the biased opinions have set into Panther fans after we picked him up, we know that he's better. lol.

Like I said in another thread, I really do hope he is able to endure and take his lumps this year. Good or bad. That way we don't see him years down the road still trying to figure out the basics.

[Big Bubba]

Jungle, Moore has a concussion. There's a very good chance he won't play against the Bucs. That's what my basis is about. I know that had he not been injured that Moore would be the starter for a few more games to prove himself one way or the other.

I'm expecting Clausen to start next week. If the Clausen led Panthers win, I really believe that Fox will keep him in there the following week.

After letting Delhomme play for 11 weeks, flailing his arms about and trying to imitate an nfl qb, people are weary. I don't think Fox will put much stock in Moore (no more than 2 bad games). However unfair it is to Moore.

Edited September 13, 2010 by 08NFCSChamps

[jungleking]

Jungle, Moore has a concussion. There's a very good chance he won't play against the Bucs. That's what my basis is about. I know that had he not been injured that Moore would be the starter for a few more games to prove himself one way or the other.

I'm expecting Clausen to start next week. If the Clausen led Panthers win, I really believe that Fox will keep him in there the following week.

After letting Delhomme play for 11 weeks, flailing his arms about and trying to imitate an nfl qb, people are weary. I don't think Fox will put much stock in Moore (no more than 2 bad games). However unfair it is to Moore.

Yeah, I caught the concussion news a few minutes after my post. I wasn't really sure if he would play or not, but if he can play, he needs to come back. And he needs to come back as soon as he can play, unless Clausen is anything above serviceable, which I doubt he will be. I'm worried that Fox will become gunshy about his quarterbacks after he got ripped so badly last year, I just don't want to see a change made in too hasty a way.

[radio24]

Whomever starts for panties will lose anyway.

I'm sure once the panthers coaches look at the bucs defensive game film from yesterday, they will go with the most elusive qb. Plus Talib is back after the 1 game suspension. Bucs still got 2 picks on Delhomme.

Yes the panties will run it 40+ times but will not crack the 100 yrd mark.

[Big Bubba]

Whomever starts for panties will lose anyway.

I'm sure once the panthers coaches look at the bucs defensive game film from yesterday, they will go with the most elusive qb. Plus Talib is back after the 1 game suspension. Bucs still got 2 picks on Delhomme.

Yes the panties will run it 40+ times but will not crack the 100 yrd mark.

Why brag about picking off Delhomme? Did you not see him play last season? I had high hopes for him this season but if he reverts back to how he was in '09, I would not be surprised either.

Also..... Panthers defense is loads better than the Browns defense. Before Matt Moore turned the ball over almost every drive in the second half, wearing the D down, they were all over the Giants. Overall, 3 Ints, 1 FF, 1 Punt Blocked, 1 safety.

While I think the Bucs have a good defense and possibly top 10 if things go their way, in no way do I believe they'll play as hard or be as good as the defense the Giants fielded against the Panthers. Those Giant frackers were out for blood for the humiliating beat down the Panthers gave them at the close of their stadium.

This game should be a defensive match-up. Like most of the Bucs/Panthers games are. Probably come down to the last couple minutes for the victor to emerge.

[sean weatherspoon]

how quick does the panther fanbase turn on jake delhomme the sequel(matt moore). and i cant believe you guys even tried to put him in the same sentence as matt ryan, matt in 2 years and 1 start has never thrown more then 2 interceptions in a game.

[sean weatherspoon]

Back to week one of '09. A qb that single handily lost a game. All of Moore's 3 ints were in the end zone, all 3 were just lobs high into the air where 4-5 defenders had time to run to and surround the lone receivers. All 3 were in the same area.

Some of the beating I chalk up to the Giants wanting revenge for the 41-9 beating the Panthers gave them last season. Giants probably won't play that motivated the rest of the season.

Fox refusing to run the ball in the second half was a decision I'll never understand. The fact that the rb that ran for over 200 yards on the Giants last season got such limited touches makes me wonder exactly what was going on there. Giants defense needed a power runner to beat them, not an elusive runner.

My rant is over.

It seems the Clausen era may be upon Carolina. I get the feeling the Panthers will get back to basics next week against the Bucs by running 40+ times on them with Clausen only having to hit Smith down the field once a quarter. If that happens and the Panthers win, Clausen will be the clear cut starter. He'll be given a lot more leeway than Moore since the Panthers actually have a 2nd round draft pick invested in him. I guess it's the way of the game.

what you gonna do when kid throws 3 interceptions in a game, (a panther tradition) then what? he's your last hope.

[Corsair]

Im sure the Buccaneers are looking forward to the game. Either way, the Panthers QB will probably not be the one who kills us.

So Talib shuts down SS... again. And the Panthers become one dimensional against a newly stout run defense.

Bucs win.

Thanks for playing.

[SaintK]

Seems like buck fans are poking their chest out after beating a weak browns team.

[Big Bubba]

what you gonna do when kid throws 3 interceptions in a game, (a panther tradition) then what? he's your last hope.

Clausen, He's a rookie. No one truly expects a rookie qb to perform great right off the bat. If the run game takes off again, then yeah, he'll have more good games than bad games, like Moore last year.

[joe horn]

Seems like buck fans are poking their chest out after beating a weak browns team.

Yeah, that's some good stuff right there. Still, they have about as favorable a schedule as anyone this year, and they could end up over .500 IMO. Imagine they snag a WC... we'll need a BUCS fogger to clear out the infestation

[Big Bubba]

how quick does the panther fanbase turn on jake delhomme the sequel(matt moore). and i cant believe you guys even tried to put him in the same sentence as matt ryan, matt in 2 years and 1 start has never thrown more then 2 interceptions in a game.

His stat line against the Saints last year say otherwise. Not even Jake Delhomme threw 3 interceptions against the Saints last season.

edit: Turner also had an amazing day that game, racking up over 150 yards on the ground. So it's not like his run game was shut down and he was forced to pass in order to make things happen, he was just terrible that game.

Edited September 14, 2010 by 08NFCSChamps

[nuccah]

Im sure the Buccaneers are looking forward to the game. Either way, the Panthers QB will probably not be the one who kills us.

So Talib shuts down SS... again. And the Panthers become one dimensional against a newly stout run defense.

Bucs win.

Thanks for playing.

The Bucs beat the freaking Browns and suddenly are thumping their chests

[Big Bubba]

09', you were really boistrous in the offseason about Matty Moore being a risen star. Have you already jumped off that bandwagon? Are you now in the Clausen camp? How quick they fall!

Brother, there is no bandwagon to speak of. I'm for whoever gives my team the best chance to win. Whether it be Moore or Clausen. Moore's concussion was very mild apparently, he will start against the Bucs.

The Bucs have had a knack for being troublesome for Panther Qbs in the past. I'd call a 1td 1 int performance by Moore a successful one, given the last time he played against them he only got 1 int and 0 td. He should have some wiggle room opposed to last week where the Giants defense were playing lights out.

[Big Bubba]

08', you really pushed Matty Moore in the offseason. You tried to convince us he was the next Ryan success story. Were you bsing us, or did you really believe that? sounds like you are thinking what I suggested in the offseason that you over-hyped Matty Moore.

Bad games happen. Ryan last week against the Steelers for example. Ryan against the Saints in his 3int game last season. Ryan more games than not when Turner or the run game in general is shut down. Bad games happen.

The more I watch last weeks Giants game, the more I somewhat understand. It was Moore's first time ever starting without the run game carrying the team. Moore had 8 games under his belt up until that point, we'll have to see how it pans out.

It's not like he was over-hyped considering it was only me and a couple other people over here really talking about him. Ryan now was over-hyped after his rookie season, and this past offseason. Not just by Falcon fans but by many analysts.

[Big Bubba]

Ryan was not helped out by the running game this past week and yet he only threw 1 INT , over 250 yards, and around 60%. Now those numbers are way better than Moore's againt a beeter defense as well. I'm not saying Moore can't be like Ice someday, but he is not even close at this point.

Seeing as how it was week 1, it's a bit early to declare the Steelers as a "way better defense" than the Giants.

Ryan is in his third season starting, I'd hope he'd play better in certain situations than an inexperienced qb. Otherwise, ouch.

[sean weatherspoon]

Seeing as how it was week 1, it's a bit early to declare the Steelers as a "way better defense" than the Giants.

Ryan is in his third season starting, I'd hope he'd play better in certain situations than an inexperienced qb. Otherwise, ouch.

everyone on the steelers D has 2 rings. i think its ******** to not assume they have a better D....what happend to matt moore being better then matt ryan this year? you said that in the off season, now your making excuses boy how your tune has changed.