Andre5000 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Gonzalez hasnt done much, a few key hits and some HUGE errors.. Aniel has been close to garbage other than a couple of catches and 1 big hit.. Derek Lee.. Nada.. Nothin.. Zilch.. they get a big fat zero... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyoshot Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Gonzalez hasnt done much, a few key hits and some HUGE errors.. Aniel has been close to garbage other than a couple of catches and 1 big hit.. Derek Lee.. Nada.. Nothin.. Zilch.. they get a big fat zero...I was just saying this yesterday. I'm not down on Gonzalez, but definitely down on everyone else that we traded for this year. It's just bad luck I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_ATL Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I was just saying this yesterday. I'm not down on Gonzalez, but definitely down on everyone else that we traded for this year. It's just bad luck I guess.You get what you pay for.Gonzo has had something like 25 RBIs since joining us, that's not awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyoshot Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 You get what you pay for.Gonzo has had something like 25 RBIs since joining us, that's not awful.I agree with you, like I said, I'm not down on Gonzalez. I completely understand that trade and glad he's here. I'm just not a fan of Ankiel, Lee, or Farnsworth since coming here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugadawg Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2010/09/08/did-gm-wren-tinker-too-much-with-the-braves-dont-think-so/I guess we gave the ajc another article idea. Funny how this article breaks down that very thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 A bigger factor is Chipper Jones's injury. We lost 50 points of OPS going from Jones to Lee, even if Lee was hitting as well as he was in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyoshot Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 A bigger factor is Chipper Jones's injury. We lost 50 points of OPS going from Jones to Lee, even if Lee was hitting as well as he was in Chicago.Wow good point, you know I never really thought of it that way. Looks like we were trying to bring in supplemental pieces to go with our core, and now those pieces are being counted on to play bigger roles which they can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Wow good point, you know I never really thought of it that way. Looks like we were trying to bring in supplemental pieces to go with our core, and now those pieces are being counted on to play bigger roles which they can't.Exactly. We've been managing so far, but we wouldn't have needed Ankiel if McLouth hadn't fallen apart. We wouldn't have traded for Lee if Jones hadn't gotten hurt. We wouldn't have traded for Gonzalez if Escobar hadn't had a sub-par first half. Guys like Melky Cabrera, Eric Hinkse, and Omar Infante have played much more than anticipated. In the case of Omar, that's been a good thing, but the Braves were lucky in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyoshot Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Exactly. We've been managing so far, but we wouldn't have needed Ankiel if McLouth hadn't fallen apart. We wouldn't have traded for Lee if Jones hadn't gotten hurt. We wouldn't have traded for Gonzalez if Escobar hadn't had a sub-par first half. Guys like Melky Cabrera, Eric Hinkse, and Omar Infante have played much more than anticipated. In the case of Omar, that's been a good thing, but the Braves were lucky in that regard.True. I'm pretty down about the Braves this year but I am happy for the future. We have some great prospects that should keep the Braves interesting for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYD Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 Our trades have not panned out but most of them were based off of injuries or equally horrible performances. So it's bad luck they have not really worked out but you can't really blame the team for trying and on paper the choices weren't bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr0d1gy Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 We've also been playing the Phillies, who are really good, and the Marlins, who traditionally own us when they suck for some reason. We're about to start winning again. Hopefully, it will start with a sweep against the worst team, or one of, in MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Initiative Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I don't get the Gonzalez hate. Escobar would not be doing anything for us right now at all. Guy needed a serious wakeup call and got one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I hate that Brooks Conrad has totally been pushed to the bench and hardly even gets anymore pinch-hit at-bats let along starts.When Chipper first got hurt Conrad carried the Braves for the next week, week and a half and then Bobby throws him on the bench and totally forgets about him. No way Conrad was going to keep up that pace but I'd much rather have Conrad and Infante in the lineup than Cabrera and AnKiel anyday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I don't get the Gonzalez hate. Escobar would not be doing anything for us right now at all. Guy needed a serious wakeup call and got one.Escobar wouldn't have made the defensive lapses we've seen from Gonzalez. And he'd likely be performing more in line with the 4 seasons prior to this year than that 3 months he was with the team in 2010.Not to mention he's only 27 and under team control for three more seasons, while Gonzalez is a 33 year old journeyman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobkowski Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I liked the Gonzales trade at the time, and still do. But without him in the trade dept. we would probably be knocking at the door of the worst of all time deals for a 1/2 season :wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugadawg Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Escobar wouldn't have made the defensive lapses we've seen from Gonzalez. And he'd likely be performing more in line with the 4 seasons prior to this year than that 3 months he was with the team in 2010.Not to mention he's only 27 and under team control for three more seasons, while Gonzalez is a 33 year old journeyman.Alex Gonzalez for Yunel Escobar: On post-deal numbers, this is a near-wash. With Toronto, Escobar is hitting .286 with four homers, 13 RBIs and an on-base percentage of .345. As a Brave, Gonzalez has hit .263 with four homers, 25 RBIs and an OBP of .307. But the Braves didn’t make this trade because of talent. (Escobar is clearly more gifted.) They did it because they didn’t trust him to be their shortstop in a pennant race.Here’s the catch, so to speak: Gonzalez has made eight errors in 49 games as a Brave; for all his excesses, Escobar made nine in 74 games before the trade. (He has made six since.) Bottom line: The Braves added a bit more pop to their lineup, but Gonzalez hasn’t quite been the stabilizing infield force they envisioned.really not much difference offensive or defensive. I consider this trade a wash with the Braves getting the temporary edge just due to locker room attitude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 really not much difference offensive or defensive. I consider this trade a wash with the Braves getting the temporary edge just due to locker room attitudeIt's not a wash because of their age differences and potential upside. Let's talk about this again in five years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre5000 Posted September 9, 2010 Author Share Posted September 9, 2010 A bigger factor is Chipper Jones's injury. We lost 50 points of OPS going from Jones to Lee, even if Lee was hitting as well as he was in Chicago. Good point and Chipper was heating up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Good point and Chipper was heating upFor 2 months before he got hurt Chipper was ripping it up like the old Chipper with a SLG over .500. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugadawg Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 really not much difference offensive or defensive. I consider this trade a wash with the Braves getting the temporary edge just due to locker room attitudeIt's not a wash because of their age differences and potential upside. Let's talk about this again in five years or so.as why I said temporary. You are taking the long term approach while you could (most likely) correct, but in the short term it is a wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre5000 Posted September 9, 2010 Author Share Posted September 9, 2010 Kinda wish they would give up on the McClouth experiment.. the guy is garbage.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 well that puts an end to that notion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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