I guess TD and company don't know what they're doing.

[jes2400]

Wow! TJ signs with the Ravens and suddenly the whining starts. I saw at least 3 posts complaining about it. TD and Smith have had this team for what is going to be the 3rd year,and we've had good things happen since their arrival. We've had winning seasons every year and I consider last year a testament to what this team is becoming. We had a fairly tough scedule including 4 straight teams coming off byes, almost every offensive starter and some key reserves missed action at various points in the season with various injuries, and yet we still managed to post a winning season and break a long dubious streak because others on the team stepped up. If not for some key missed FG's, we may have still made the playoffs. We're starting to get respect, something we haven't had. There's a winning, team attitude in the locker room, and fans are excited. TD and mike Smith have said this over and over. There's a PROCESS to what we're doing. They're sticking with the process and it's working, so everyone needs to just relax. This team is going no where but up, so let TD's process continue to work.

[The Falcon Jedi]

TJ would have improved this offense. Slice it any way you want, but that guy catches footballs and is a proven vet. We could have had him for cheap, for 1 year. If it didnt work out then we release him next year, but I find it hard to believe that his presence would have hurt this team in any way.

He would have drawn coverage away from Roddy, and make things open up for everybody.

[jes2400]

TJ would have improved this offense. Slice it any way you want, but that guy catches footballs and is a proven vet. We could have had him for cheap, for 1 year. If it didnt work out then we release him next year, but I find it hard to believe that his presence would have hurt this team in any way.

He would have drawn coverage away from Roddy, and make things open up for everybody.

I'm not saying it would hurt, and comments like yours isn't my complaint. Would I have liked us to get him, yes. Am I upset that we didn't get him, no. It's just some are acting like TD screwed up big time and our season is over. my point is, TD knows what he's doing, and if he didn't make an attempt to sign him, he had a good reason, and I trust his judgement.

[paul n coke]

TJ would have improved this offense. Slice it any way you want, but that guy catches footballs and is a proven vet. We could have had him for cheap, for 1 year. If it didnt work out then we release him next year, but I find it hard to believe that his presence would have hurt this team in any way.

He would have drawn coverage away from Roddy, and make things open up for everybody.

I think the point is we are going in the right direction. No doubt about it, TJ has proven himself to be a good WR in this league. But we have a plan in place with how we want to build our team and we are just not going to jump for joy and sign every player that comes us just because he has proven more than someone on our roster. For example, what was our biggest need this off season? Upgrading the DE position to improve the pass rush. What did we do to improve that? Nothing. Why? Because we have players we believe in like Kroy Biermann and Lawrence Sidbury. We dont know how that will end up but if we dont show our players we dont believe in them, they will never fully develop

[ltstorm2]

WTF. The only whining i've seen, are from the people who can't even "discuss" anything about a possibly positive ADDITION to the team.

UHHH DURRRR yourrr stupidzzz cause if TD didn'tttt doo etttt (who knows if we didn't try) U DUM.

[paul n coke]

WTF. The only whining i've seen, are from the people who can't even "discuss" anything about a possibly positive ADDITION to the team.

UHHH DURRRR yourrr stupidzzz cause if TD didn'tttt doo etttt (who knows if we didn't try) U DUM.

There is a difference between discussion/debating and flat out bashing. That's what most who are pro TJ are doing. He is more proven than Jenkins, but we didnt get him so there is no point in crying over it

[The Falcon Jedi]

No one is bashing the FO for the work they have done. Dimitroff & Co. have worked slowly and methodical. I just hate seeing cheap Elite talent go away like that. We could have rented him for 1 season. If it didnt work out, then we let him go next season.

I am more perplexed that the Vikings let him get away, esp. to an AFC team. I am sure Favre is not too happy right now.

[Optimus*Crimes]

TJ would have improved this offense. Slice it any way you want, but that guy catches footballs and is a proven vet. We could have had him for cheap, for 1 year. If it didnt work out then we release him next year, but I find it hard to believe that his presence would have hurt this team in any way.

He would have drawn coverage away from Roddy, and make things open up for everybody.

Prove it.

[The Falcon Jedi]

Prove it.

Season Team Receiving Rushing Fumbles

G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost

2009 Seattle Seahawks 16 16 79 911 11.5 53 3 -- -- -- -- -- 2 1

2008 Cincinnati Bengals 15 15 92 904 9.8 46 4 1 9 9.0 9 0 -- --

2007 Cincinnati Bengals 16 15 112 1,143 10.2 42T 12 5 14 2.8 8 0 2 1

2006 Cincinnati Bengals 14 13 90 1,081 12.0 40T 9 3 6 2.0 13 0 -- --

2005 Cincinnati Bengals 14 12 78 956 12.3 43T 7 8 62 7.8 17 1 1 1

2004 Cincinnati Bengals 16 13 73 978 13.4 62 4 6 51 8.5 16 0 -- --

Eat those apples. Dont make me put Michael Jenkins stats up against those, you might cry.

[Peyton]

No one is bashing the FO for the work they have done. Dimitroff & Co. have worked slowly and methodical. I just hate seeing cheap Elite talent go away like that. We could have rented him for 1 season. If it didnt work out, then we let him go next season.

I am more perplexed that the Vikings let him get away, esp. to an AFC team. I am sure Favre is not too happy right now.

There probably wasn't anything anybody could do about it. It's very possible that Atlanta, Minnesota, Dallas, and Baltimore all made an offer to TJ, and he just chose Baltimore. All the teams would have been making exactly the same offer probably, so it would have just been a matter of picking where he wanted to go the most.

[spiker]

TJ would have not helped the offense at all.He knows nothing about the offense.He takes up a roster spot for young improving players who can contribute long term.TD is going to stick to the Falcon process not the Madden process.

[Peyton]

TJ would have not helped the offense at all.He knows nothing about the offense.He takes up a roster spot for young improving players who can contribute long term.TD is going to stick to the Falcon process not the Madden process.

Yeah it would be a shame for him to knock a youngster like Finneran off the roster.

[spiker]

Yeah it would be a shame for him to knock a youngster like Finneran off the roster.

Finneran has forgot more about this offense than the Madden addition could pick up.Plus they guy is just a washed up #2...the green shoes are kinda cute though!!

[ChessPlayer1]

Yeah it would be a shame for him to knock a youngster like Finneran off the roster.

Im in lockstep with this comment.^^^

[Peyton]

Finneran has forgot more about this offense than the Madden addition could pick up.Plus they guy is just a washed up #2...the green shoes are kinda cute though!!

I hear what you are saying, but slow down on the Finneran love. We are talking about a guy with less than 300 yards receiving since 2005, and two shredded knees.

He is a great guy, and I admire how he has stuck around, but the guy wouldn't make very many NFL football teams.

[markdzul]

Peyton is right, I am sure a lot of offers were put out there for TJ. He probably got an offer that he liked from Baltimore and took it. They did lose Stallworth for a significant amount of time (season maybe)and were looking to replace him. I would not have minded seeing him come here, but not at the expense of Harry D. being shoved out of the lineup once Jenks gets back. It proves that this franchise has faith in Jenks and a willing to give him more time on the field. If Jenks proves this year that he cannot cut it I imagine we will be looking at a free agent WR next year to team with Roddy depending on how we fair this year or we will be spending a high draft pick next year on a STUD WR. Ya gotta have patients. I for one love the direction the franchise is heading in comparison to the years before. If we can stay healthy there is no doubt in my mind we are playoff bound for the next two years at least.

[markdzul]

Pretty sure Finn will be retireing within the next two years and probably go to work in our front office or with the coaching staff. (IMO of course) We will be picking up skill position players in the draft now that we have got some depth in the trenches working for us. Hopefully Peria and Willy Mo. will come back this year with a vengence and play like they were thought to...

[jes2400]

The problem is people get excited about big names. so far this off season, every big name player that has been released, put on the trading block, or asked for a trade, someone on this board wants us to go get him(TO, VJ, to name a few). Big names doesn't assure a championship run(just ask the Redskins fans). Has TJ put up great numbers, of course. Does that mean he'll do it here or somewhere else? No. I can site instances where stars have left teams to star for another team, and where stars have left one team and bombed for another. Some say so what? He won't cost much. If he doesn't work out, just don't bring him back. That's still money waisted no matter how minimal, and one thing I see about TD, he's not spending a dime of Blank's money if he feels he doesn't need to.

[chris30277]

T.J. would not have been a good fit here for a few reasons.

1. He has never been in our offensive system, or anything like it. He would have had to learn all new terminology and plays in less than a week to contribute against Pittsburgh. Granted he could have helped out later but we could have used him during training camp to build chemistry with Ryan, and get up to speed with the players around him

2. He would have been the 3rd option in our system. Roddy and Gonzo are both primed to catch 80+ passes this year. We are a run first team, and there would not have been enough to go around between those three. Someone would have been unhappy.

3. He has been in a pass happy offense for most of his career, and he is not the blocker that our scheme requires. Some might brush that off but it is a big deal. When Turner or Norwood break off to the outside and take it 60 yards it’s usually because our WR's are blocking downfield.

I personally believe that we will add a new WR via the draft or FA next year, but it will be someone that is a good fit for what we want to do, and someone that the coaches will develop. It is a process building a team. This is not fantasy football.

Do I believe he could have helped? Yes. But we don't even know if he was considering us.

[jes2400]

T.J. would not have been a good fit here for a few reasons.

1. He has never been in our offensive system, or anything like it. He would have had to learn all new terminology and plays in less than a week to contribute against Pittsburgh. Granted he could have helped out later but we could have used him during training camp to build chemistry with Ryan, and get up to speed with the players around him

2. He would have been the 3rd option in our system. Roddy and Gonzo are both primed to catch 80+ passes this year. We are a run first team, and there would not have been enough to go around between those three. Someone would have been unhappy.

3. He has been in a pass happy offense for most of his career, and he is not the blocker that our scheme requires. Some might brush that off but it is a big deal. When Turner or Norwood break off to the outside and take it 60 yards it’s usually because our WR's are blocking downfield.

I personally believe that we will add a new WR via the draft or FA next year, but it will be someone that is a good fit for what we want to do, and someone that the coaches will develop. It is a process building a team. This is not fantasy football.

Do I believe he could have helped? Yes. But we don't even know if he was considering us.

This is a big reason why they're not willing to part with Jenkins so easily. He's a proven very good run blocking WR. Very important in a run 1st system.

[Photofalcon]

Season Team Receiving Rushing Fumbles

G GS Rec Yds Avg Lng TD Att Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost

2009 Seattle Seahawks 16 16 79 911 11.5 53 3 -- -- -- -- -- 2 1

2008 Cincinnati Bengals 15 15 92 904 9.8 46 4 1 9 9.0 9 0 -- --

2007 Cincinnati Bengals 16 15 112 1,143 10.2 42T 12 5 14 2.8 8 0 2 1

2006 Cincinnati Bengals 14 13 90 1,081 12.0 40T 9 3 6 2.0 13 0 -- --

2005 Cincinnati Bengals 14 12 78 956 12.3 43T 7 8 62 7.8 17 1 1 1

2004 Cincinnati Bengals 16 13 73 978 13.4 62 4 6 51 8.5 16 0 -- --

Looks like proof to me. Funny how nobody can think of anything to counter the fact that Jenkins needs replacing.

We are just "bad fans" for thinking it.

Eat those apples. Dont make me put Michael Jenkins stats up against those, you might cry.

[alexander1.9.71]

I'm not saying it would hurt, and comments like yours isn't my complaint. Would I have liked us to get him, yes. Am I upset that we didn't get him, no. It's just some are acting like TD screwed up big time and our season is over. my point is, TD knows what he's doing, and if he didn't make an attempt to sign him, he had a good reason, and I trust his judgement.

we don't spend money like td was accustomed to in new england. i haven't seen anything but decency from any of his draft picks. we should have done a little more this off season in free agency.

[alexander1.9.71]

The problem is people get excited about big names. so far this off season, every big name player that has been released, put on the trading block, or asked for a trade, someone on this board wants us to go get him(TO, VJ, to name a few). Big names doesn't assure a championship run(just ask the Redskins fans). Has TJ put up great numbers, of course. Does that mean he'll do it here or somewhere else? No. I can site instances where stars have left teams to star for another team, and where stars have left one team and bombed for another. Some say so what? He won't cost much. If he doesn't work out, just don't bring him back. That's still money waisted no matter how minimal, and one thing I see about TD, he's not spending a dime of Blank's money if he feels he doesn't need to.

why wouldn't we want, these big name proven statistical receivers, to take over our former 1st round draft pick bust's spot?.

Edited September 6, 2010 by alexander1.9.71

[TeamPlayer1]

I hear what you are saying, but slow down on the Finneran love. We are talking about a guy with less than 300 yards receiving since 2005, and two shredded knees.

He is a great guy, and I admire how he has stuck around, but the guy wouldn't make very many NFL football teams.

^^^^^

This

Now is the time for us to upgrade as many positions as we can. As you can see, teams are signing players at positions of need at a rapid rate.

I have always been a Finneran fan but if we can upgrade we need to pull the trigger.

[the baptist]

T.J. would not have been a good fit here for a few reasons.

1. He has never been in our offensive system, or anything like it. He would have had to learn all new terminology and plays in less than a week to contribute against Pittsburgh. Granted he could have helped out later but we could have used him during training camp to build chemistry with Ryan, and get up to speed with the players around him

2. He would have been the 3rd option in our system. Roddy and Gonzo are both primed to catch 80+ passes this year. We are a run first team, and there would not have been enough to go around between those three. Someone would have been unhappy.

3. He has been in a pass happy offense for most of his career, and he is not the blocker that our scheme requires. Some might brush that off but it is a big deal. When Turner or Norwood break off to the outside and take it 60 yards it’s usually because our WR's are blocking downfield.

I personally believe that we will add a new WR via the draft or FA next year, but it will be someone that is a good fit for what we want to do, and someone that the coaches will develop. It is a process building a team. This is not fantasy football.

Do I believe he could have helped? Yes. But we don't even know if he was considering us.

Addressing the bottom line first......TJ more than likely had his picking of what team he wanted to go to....so its more than likely he chose the Ravens

It probably was not a matter of us not wanting him, because it would have been foolish for us not to bring him in if he wanted to come

With that said, Its foolish to say that he wouldnt have "fit in"

To address your first point, Ok he has to learn a new playbook, Is he a rookie or a veteran? The guy would have known how to put his work in, in order to make an impact for this team

Your second point, Which is based on opinion and no facts in regards to happiness, In regard to him being the 3rd option, again, this guy is a veteran, and with the stains that I saw on the carpet this pre season, I wouldnt have been surprised if he battled Roddy for option number 1

For the slow, stains on the carpet in referring to the dropped balls and I exaggerated the battling for number one, but you respond to an opinion with a bigger and better opinion

To your last......This guy again....is a veteran, hes been around you know?, he has had to block a few guys in his career, this team wouldnt have asked him to create a new element,we would have asked to make a simple adjustment

The fans who want to make simple improvements, though be it temporary and cheap,(Marty Booker((HE learned the play book quite easily)), B Williams, Mike Pete, Gonzales)we recognize that this isnt fantasy football and that this is a rebuilding phase, but we also recognize when an upgrade can take place

This was an upgrade that could have taken place.....an insurance for the possibilities

By the way, when can this front office get rid of the word "process" 6 7 8 years from now? What in the world does the "process" have to do with an immediate improvement, it baffles me........