Let Baltimore Have Him

[sandtrap]

Wow....I saw some of you ranting about TD not doing anything about our WR situation with TJ available. Below are my reasons for why we did the right thing....

1. If any of you with a brain read the article from ESPN it says "Houshmandzadeh had multiple opportunities but ultimately decided to join a team in the same division as the team that drafted him -- the Cincinnati Bengals." Do any of you know Arthur or Thomas personally to know that we didn't go after him? He had a number of opportunities (one of which could easily have been us) and he decided to go to the AFC North.

2. What don't you guys understand about being a run first team? We do NOT run a spread offense. We have enough targets in #84, #88, #83 out of the slot and even #33 for dump downs. Would it be amazing to have another big time name who has been productive in the past? Sure. But let's really look at the numbers and see if it's worth all this mess you guys are creating with the sky is falling crap...

As the CLEAR CUT #1 for Seattle last year TJ put up 79 receptions for 911 yards and 3 TDs. He averaged 11.5 YPC and also had 2 fumbles (1 for a loss) in 16 full starts. TJ put up 56.9 yards per game.

Michael Jenkins play 15 games and managed 50 receptions for 635 yards and 1 TD. He averaged 12.7 YPC with zero fumbles. Jenkins managed 42.3 yards per game.

I'm not trying to say that Jenkins is better than TJ, but you have to keep things in perspective and realize that TJ was the clear #1 receiver in Seattle while Jenkins was third in line for passes behind White and Gonzo.

3. I'd like to reiterate that we are a run first offense. When you can commit to running the football behind a 200lbs+ bowling ball like Turner, you don't need all these "weapons" as receivers. We have a good #1 in Roddy and a HOF TE in Tony. those are our primary receivers with HD causing some disruption from the slot. Smitty's philosophy is to run it down the defenses throat because when you can do that, you can dictate the entire game. RUN THE BALL AND STOP THE RUN.

4. Locker room chemistry is an extremely important factor. TJ has a reputation (although its not publicized as much) as being needy&bitchy. Some say that Ocho Cinco is better than him, therefore the Bengals let him go. We don't need some guy waltzing into our locker room thinking that he's going to be running the show or expecting X number of targets. We need team oriented role players.

So many people here swear that you can just plug guys in at every position and automatically make the team better. Does the ability that he's flashed in the past (although last year was horrible) make our team better than we are now? Possibly. Do I also think that TJ isn't the brightest bulb in the store and will need time to learn our offense and what is expected of him? Absolutely.

I'm sure it was discussed to death by our team and we either made an offer that wasn't as enticing for him as playing in his old division or we decided that Jenkins is dependable (Ryan's first professional pass + killing the bears) and knows our system well enough to be productive this year with HD back.

I'm not against signing another receiver because we are running a little thin, but please don't make it seem like the sky is falling because we don't.

Edited September 6, 2010 by sandtrap

[Hashbrown3]

Housh was cut for a reason. Maybe we are a bit wiser as an organization. I really like the fact that our organization is proactive about its direction, but not reactionary to all the ebbs and tides that are seen around the nfl.

[AtlantaFalconPokerPro]

Finally a thread with some logic. Is it just me or is it getting harder, and harder to find logical and sensible posters around here? :wacko:

[Hashbrown3]

Finally a thread with some logic. Is it just me or is it getting harder, and harder to find logical and sensible posters around here?

Whew! I hear ya bro...

[AtlantaFalconPokerPro]

Whew! I hear ya bro...

Seriously dude, it's getting freakin crazy around here. :wacko:

[HouseofEuphoria]

Ahhhhhh.

Here in this oasis of sanity-

I shall bask.

[Optimus*Crimes]

People have literally lost all sense the last few weeks... I'd love to think that football will heal them, but we all know otherwise...

[AtlantaFalconPokerPro]

People have literally lost all sense the last few weeks... I'd love to think that football will heal them, but we all know otherwise...

I don't think there is a cure for stupid.

[ltstorm2]

"But let's really look at the numbers and see if it's worth all this mess you guys are creating with the sky is falling crap..."

What "mess" are we creating when people are having a discussion about a possible upgrade to the team?

We may be a run first team but we threw it 60% of the time. When we are throwing it that 60% of the time, i'd like my wide receiver sets to look scary to defenses.

No one is saying the sky is falling, but saying we want to add TJ is just like someone saying we should upgrade the O line. Its true the O line needs upgrading. Its servicable but it could still use an upgrade as well.

[sandtrap]

This place has been a cuckoo nest lately, I figured we could all use a little break from the madness with a little bit of logic. I also think Supes needs to put up a new toon ASAP so we can forget about all this sky is falling garbage.

[Falcons 'til Death]

I agree with the first three posters on this thread. Making a move just for the sake of making a move could pose more problems instead of fixing it. Wide receivers have enough of a difficult time trying to pick up an offense with a new team not to mention getting a rhythm going with the QB. Though I agree TJ would've made some sense, making a trade with San Diego for Vincent Jackson could've been disastrous for us.

[DavyDmx]

Finally a thread with some logic. Is it just me or is it getting harder, and harder to find logical and sensible posters around here? :wacko:

Some of our fellow flock are just impatient and want us to get the first "big name player" up for grabs when they are released. They fail to realize that the reason the player in question was released may lack what this team needs.

[cooperbh]

Finally a thread with some logic. Is it just me or is it getting harder, and harder to find logical and sensible posters around here? :wacko:

It's definitely not just you.

If one were to believe most of what is seen posted around here, TD was a monumental idiot for not replacing our up-and-coming slot receiver with a 33-year old declining diva who was basically paid $7 million by his former team to just go away.

[sandtrap]

"But let's really look at the numbers and see if it's worth all this mess you guys are creating with the sky is falling crap..."

What "mess" are we creating when people are having a discussion about a possible upgrade to the team?

We may be a run first team but we threw it 60% of the time. When we are throwing it that 60% of the time, i'd like my wide receiver sets to look scary to defenses.

No one is saying the sky is falling, but saying we want to add TJ is just like someone saying we should upgrade the O line. Its true the O line needs upgrading. Its servicable but it could still use an upgrade as well.

We threw it 60% of the time because Turner was injured for a good amount of time. Your comparison to people wanting O-Line help is invalid. I also think we can use an upgrade on the line but I don't suggest we go out and find a starter 1 week before our first regular season game. BIG BIG difference my friend.

[cooperbh]

Ahhhhhh.

Here in this oasis of sanity-

I shall bask.

I shall do the same...

While I can. I hear Maddenites at the gate.

[dmite]

Nice post. Run and tell that, homeboy.

[ltstorm2]

We threw it 60% of the time because Turner was injured for a good amount of time. Your comparison to people wanting O-Line help is invalid. I also think we can use an upgrade on the line but I don't suggest we go out and find a starter 1 week before our first regular season game. BIG BIG difference my friend.

We threw it 60% of the time because that is the game plan.

Where did I say he'd be a starter week 1?

Depending on how long it takes to learn the offense I'd expect him out there quick and being an "OLD" vet it shouldn't take long.

I'm not thinking of TJ as replacing anyone, but being a very good addition to what we have already.

An upgrade is an upgrade regardless if you receive that upgrade a few days before week 1.

[The Falcon Jedi]

Like I posted in another thread, we better hope Roddy doesnt get hurt. And we better hope Roddy doesnt start dropping easy balls like he did in pre-season.

[Chitown2ATL_Falcon]

"But let's really look at the numbers and see if it's worth all this mess you guys are creating with the sky is falling crap..."

What "mess" are we creating when people are having a discussion about a possible upgrade to the team?

We may be a run first team but we threw it 60% of the time. When we are throwing it that 60% of the time, i'd like my wide receiver sets to look scary to defenses.

No one is saying the sky is falling, but saying we want to add TJ is just like someone saying we should upgrade the O line. Its true the O line needs upgrading. Its servicable but it could still use an upgrade as well.

We threw 60% of the time because we couldn't run the ball because of injuries.

[Chitown2ATL_Falcon]

"But let's really look at the numbers and see if it's worth all this mess you guys are creating with the sky is falling crap..."

What "mess" are we creating when people are having a discussion about a possible upgrade to the team?

We may be a run first team but we threw it 60% of the time. When we are throwing it that 60% of the time, i'd like my wide receiver sets to look scary to defenses.

No one is saying the sky is falling, but saying we want to add TJ is just like someone saying we should upgrade the O line. Its true the O line needs upgrading. Its servicable but it could still use an upgrade as well.

This is not Madden, this is the real world. We add what we need, not what looks good or flashy.

[AtlantaFalconPokerPro]

Some of our fellow flock are just impatient and want us to get the first "big name player" up for grabs when they are released. They fail to realize that the reason the player in question was released may lack what this team needs.

I guess they've gotten spoiled from using signing/trading for Turner (best RB in the FA market), Robinson (best CB in the FA market), and Gonzo (best TE ever).

[AtlantaFalconPokerPro]

We threw 60% of the time because we couldn't run the ball because of injuries.

****, you beat me to it. Not to mention we were playing from behind a lot last year, putting us in situations where we were throwing more.

[ltstorm2]

We threw 60% of the time because we couldn't run the ball because of injuries.

No. We threw more because that was the plan. It was year two for Ryan, and he was to take a bigger role, and we were going to reduce the carries that Turner took.

[Falcons 'til Death]

****, you beat me to it. Not to mention we were playing from behind a lot last year, putting us in situations where we were throwing more.

That and our o-line had its problems especially early in the year and the fact Turner was sporting some extra poundage and couldn't hit the holes like he did in 2008. Then theres the fact defenses were stacking the box a bit more to stop him. So we didn't have much choice but to throw the rock.

[gritzblitz]

Very well said Sand trap. Amazing how posters that started complained about not signing TJ have avoided answering to your thread.

I'm not opposed to upgrading our WR corp but I don't think it is the end of the world that we didn't sign somebody.