Tandy Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 QB Ranking by John ClaytonThe Golden Age of NFL Quarterbacks continues to evolve.Bubble screens make it easier for quarterbacks to continue drives through the air. More talent is moving into the slot in three-receiver sets, giving quarterbacks even more passing options. The increased use of shotgun formations and no-huddle offenses gives quarterbacks more control than ever and turns fourth quarters into thrilling roller coaster rides.For the past couple of years, I've preached how the league is divided into teams with elite quarterbacks and those without them. To win in this league, you must have an elite quarterback. Without one, the season can be long and frustrating.In ranking the league's starting quarterbacks, I have three categories. The first is the Elite level, which includes quarterbacks who can carry teams into the playoffs. An elite quarterback is one who can complete better than 60 percent of his passes, has the potential to throw for 4,000 yards and has fourth-quarter comeback ability. I am criticized for putting Baltimore's Joe Flacco in this category with Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Drew Brees, but he absolutely belongs. In two seasons, Flacco has the numbers (6,584 passing yards, 61 percent completion percentage) and three road playoff victories to back up my ranking. You'll probably be more interested in who I don't have in this group.The next category is what I call the Chad Pennington Division. Pennington, a former starter who's now a backup with the Dolphins, doesn't have the strongest arm but he once was good enough to take a team to the playoffs with a good surrounding cast or a favorable schedule. The quarterbacks who fit this mold include Denver's Kyle Orton, who I think has a very small chance even now to end up in the elite group. The third category I call the Hit-Or-Miss Division. It is filled with young QBs -- hello, Mark Sanchez and Kevin Kolb -- who easily could climb my ladder or veterans who have reached their ceiling (Jake Delhomme) and have no chance of moving up.In the Pennington and Hit-Or-Miss divisions, I rate the chances those QBs have to reach elite status. Some have a greater chance than others because they have not reached their ceiling. Others (Alex Smith, Byron Leftwich) have hit their head on the ceiling and have no chance to reach elite status.You can rank the starters on your own here.So let the arguments begin. THE ELITE1. Peyton Manning, Indianapolis ColtsAnalysis: At 34, Manning doesn't show any signs of slowing. He sets the agenda for modern NFL quarterbacks with the no-huddle and three-receiver offenses and generates 12-win seasons as easily as he completes passes. Under Manning, the Colts have won 12 or more games for seven consecutive seasons.Arrow is pointing: Up2. Tom Brady, New England PatriotsAnalysis: I resisted the urge to put Drew Brees ahead of him, but Brady, with three Super Bowl rings, is still the master. The knee injury slowed him a little in 2009 (4,398 yards, 28 TD passes), but I expect his numbers to be much better this season. Arrow is pointing: Flat3. Drew Brees, New Orleans Saints Analysis: The combination of Brees and Sean Payton is scary. Brees is a master at finding the open receiver, and Payton is one of the best playcallers in the business. Arrow is pointing: Up4. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh SteelersAnalysis: With two Super Bowl rings, Roethlisberger ranks with the elite of the elite quarterbacks in the league. His suspension is a wakeup call, but as a quarterback, he's almost impossible to stop when he rolls out of the pocket and when the game is on the line in the fourth quarter.Arrow is pointing: Flat5. Brett Favre, Minnesota VikingsAnalysis: It's amazing to think Favre had his best season at age 40. Even though he says this is his final year, Favre loves the game and can still play it at a high level. Arrow is pointing: Slightly down6. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay PackersAnalysis: This could be the season Rodgers passes Favre as the best quarterback in the NFC North. His arm is strong and he finally learned how to win games in the fourth quarter. Rodgers has had a scintillating preseason. (By the way, NFC North blogger Kevin Seifert and ESPN national columnist Gene Wojciechowski debate the merits of Rodgers and Favre here.) Arrow is pointing: Up7. Philip Rivers, San Diego ChargersAnalysis: He's the biggest reason the Chargers stay ahead of the other AFC West teams. A great leader, Rivers is fearless throwing to tight end Antonio Gates and other pass-catchers even when they appear to be covered. Arrow is pointing: Up8. Tony Romo, Dallas CowboysAnalysis: Now that Romo has won a playoff game, watch out. The only thing that could prevent him and the Cowboys from playing host to a Super Bowl an aging offensive line faltering. Arrow is pointing: Up9. Donovan McNabb, Washington RedskinsAnalysis: Mike Shanahan offers McNabb play-action options he didn't have with the Eagles' pass-heavy offense. With McNabb at the helm, the Redskins could be one of the surprise teams in the NFC. Arrow is pointing: Spinning as he adjusts to a new offense10. Carson Palmer, Cincinnati BengalsAnalysis: The additions of Terrell Owens, Jermaine Gresham and Jordan Shipley could allow Palmer to relive his 4,000-yard days. Marvin Lewis prefers running the ball, but Palmer would love for the Bengals' offense to open up. Arrow is pointing: Up11. Eli Manning, New York GiantsAnalysis: Despite recording his first 4,000-yard passing season in 2009 and already owning a Super Bowl ring, Manning doesn't get the respect he is due. He lacks the fiery leadership of his brother, but he continues to improve each season. Arrow is pointing: Flat12. Joe Flacco, Baltimore RavensAnalysis: With the Ravens' problems in their secondary, Flacco may be asked to throw more, which is fine by him. Anquan Boldin will help him working from the slot and Donte' Stallworth could help to stretch the field on occasion when he returns from injury. Arrow is pointing: Up13. Matt Ryan, Atlanta FalconsAnalysis: Like Flacco, Ryan should have a breakthrough season. Most top quarterbacks come into their own in their third season, and Ryan has studied every top quarterback trying to improve his game. Arrow is pointing: Up14. Matt Schaub, Houston TexansAnalysis: Schaub finally moved into the elite group by staying healthy and throwing for a league-high 4,770 yards in 2009. (By the way, that was 270 yards more than Peyton Manning had last season.) The next step for Schaub and the Texans? Win in the AFC South and make the playoffs for the first time.Arrow is pointing: Up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted August 31, 2010 Author Share Posted August 31, 2010 The Second GroupCHAD PENNINGTON DIVISION15. Jay Cutler, Chicago BearsAnalysis: Cutler was an elite quarterback in 2008 when he played for the Broncos, but 26 interceptions for Chicago in 2009 moved him out of my top group. With Mike Martz calling the plays, Cutler should regain his 4,000-yard form and re-emerge as the elite quarterback the Bears thought they acquired in a trade with Denver. Chance of being elite: 95 percent16. Kyle Orton, Denver BroncosAnalysis: There is a huge drop-off after Cutler, but Orton is finally getting his due. Despite using a first-round choice on Tim Tebow, Denver realized Orton's importance by giving him a one-year contract extension last month. People seem to forget Orton threw for 3,802 yards last season. Chance of being elite: 10 percent17. Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle SeahawksAnalysis:A three-time Pro Bowl selection, Hasselbeck lost his elite status because of two seasons getting rocked behind bad offensive lines. Hasselbeck is the one hope Pete Carroll has for challenging for the NFC West title. Chance of being elite: 25 percent18. Vince Young, Tennessee TitansAnalysis: He's a 66 percent winner as a starter even though he struggles to complete 60 percent of his passes. Young isn't a great thrower, but he finds ways to win. Chance of being elite: 10 percent19. Jason Campbell, Oakland RaidersAnalysis: In Washington, Campbell was the handpicked franchise quarterback of Joe Gibbs, but he was always outperformed by Eli Manning, Tony Romo and Donovan McNabb in the NFC East. His fresh start in Oakland has allowed him to grow as a leader of a younger group of offensive players. He also gives the Raiders a quarterback who can complete better than 60 percent of his passes.Chance of being elite: 10 percent20. David Garrard, Jacksonville JaguarsAnalysis: This might be his final season as the Jags' starter, but don't underestimate him. He is a good leader and still has the ability to complete 60 percent of his passes. Chance of being elite: 5 percent21. Alex Smith, San Francisco 49ersAnalysis: It's hard to believe this is Smith's sixth season. The pressure is on him to get the 49ers to the playoffs. He has not lived up to his No. 1 billing in the draft, obviously, but the surrounding cast is good enough to make a playoff run. One of the faults I noticed when I saw him in the preseason is that he doesn't always hit receivers in stride.Chance of being elite: 0 percent22. Matt Cassel, Kansas City ChiefsAnalysis: Cassel showed in New England that he can be a playoff-caliber quarterback if he's surrounded with pass-catchers with yards-after-the-catch ability. He lacks the downfield arm to stretch a defense, but if the Chiefs get him more playmakers, Cassel could thrive. Chance of being elite: 0 percent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted August 31, 2010 Author Share Posted August 31, 2010 Here is his final grouping:HIT-OR-MISS DIVISION23. Mark Sanchez, New York JetsAnalysis: The additions of Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes at wide receiver and LaDainian Tomlinson catching passes out of the backfield should allow Sanchez to be a 60 percent thrower. Another ally will be the motion packages offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer can install now that Sanchez has a year of experience in the offense. Chance of being elite: 50 percent24. Kevin Kolb, Philadelphia EaglesAnalysis: Kolb is the perfect quarterback for Andy Reid's West Coast offense, which is why the Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Redskins. Kolb is a rhythm passer out of three- and five-step drops, and he should have a big statistical year. Chance of being elite: 50 percent25. Chad Henne, Miami DolphinsAnalysis: Henne has a strong arm and a flair for fourth-quarter comebacks, giving him a chance to be a top-level quarterback. It did seem as though defenses figured him out in the second half of the season, but Henne is smart enough to adjust. Plus, he now has Brandon Marshall as his main target. Chance of being elite: 45 percent26. Byron Leftwich, Pittsburgh SteelersAnalysis: Leftwich lacks mobility and tends to stay in the pocket too long, but his strong arm and good leadership could bail out the Steelers filling in for Roethlisberger in September. If Leftwich can't generate a 2-2 start, though, he might fall into a permanent backup role. Leftwich should withstand a challenge from Dennis Dixon, who flubbed his chance to claim the job with a poor preseason performance against Denver.Chance of being elite: 0 percent27. Matthew Stafford, Detroit LionsAnalysis: Stafford survived a painful rookie season in which he was pounded by defenses (24 sacks, 20 interceptions), but he showed flashes of greatness. Tight end Tony Scheffler and wide receiver Nate Burleson will pull coverage away from go-to receiver Calvin Johnson and give the Lions' offense -- and Stafford -- a chance. Chance of being elite: 55 percent28. Matt Leinart/Derek Anderson Arizona CardinalsAnalysis: For Anderson, this is a chance to rebuild his career after tough seasons in Cleveland in 2008 and 2009. He's not very accurate, never completing more than 60 percent of his passes in a season in the NFL. For Leinart, this is the end of the line as a Cardinal after this season if he doesn't regain a starting job he had no business losing. Chances of being elite: 0 percent29. Josh Freeman, Tampa Bay BuccaneersAnalysis: Freeman is a big, athletic quarterback who is being paired with a promising, young receiving corps. The small fracture on the tip of his right thumb is a slight setback, but Freeman is the perfect quarterback for the Bucs to build around. Chance of being elite: 35 percent30. Sam Bradford, St. Louis RamsAnalysis: What amazes Rams management about Bradford is his accuracy and how calm he seems in the pocket. Unfortunately, his rookie season will be tough because St. Louis lacks big-play receivers and the offensive line is struggling. Chance of being elite: 85 percent31. Trent Edwards, Buffalo BillsAnalysis: Call it deja Bills. When Edwards entered the league in 2007, the Bills were a bottled-up offense desperately looking for receivers who could pull coverage away from Lee Evans. Edwards' lone target remains Evans, but the offensive line is now much worse. Chance of being elite: 0 percent32. Matt Moore, Carolina PanthersAnalysis: He has a 6-2 record as starter, but a slow start could speed the Jimmy Clausen era in Carolina. Chance of being elite: 5 percent33. Jake Delhomme, Cleveland BrownsAnalysis: Interceptions in the playoff loss to Arizona in 2008 led to a downward spiral for a quarterback who won a lot of games for John Fox and the Panthers. At 35, Delhomme has no chance of being a starter anywhere else if he doesn't cut it in Cleveland. Chance of being elite: 0 percent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmite Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Nice list, though I think Ryan could be up a few more spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 I don't disagree with his rankings so much, but calling almost half of the starters in the league "elite" looks kind of silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Man Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 (edited) This is good to see, and shows that even though Ryan in the last preseason game looked god-awful for the entire first half, the sky is indeed, not falling. Edited August 31, 2010 by Magic Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconTough Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Here is his final grouping:HIT-OR-MISS DIVISION23. Mark Sanchez, New York JetsAnalysis: The additions of Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes at wide receiver and LaDainian Tomlinson catching passes out of the backfield should allow Sanchez to be a 60 percent thrower. Another ally will be the motion packages offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer can install now that Sanchez has a year of experience in the offense. Chance of being elite: 50 percent24. Kevin Kolb, Philadelphia EaglesAnalysis: Kolb is the perfect quarterback for Andy Reid's West Coast offense, which is why the Eagles traded Donovan McNabb to the Redskins. Kolb is a rhythm passer out of three- and five-step drops, and he should have a big statistical year. Chance of being elite: 50 percent25. Chad Henne, Miami DolphinsAnalysis: Henne has a strong arm and a flair for fourth-quarter comebacks, giving him a chance to be a top-level quarterback. It did seem as though defenses figured him out in the second half of the season, but Henne is smart enough to adjust. Plus, he now has Brandon Marshall as his main target. Chance of being elite: 45 percent26. Byron Leftwich, Pittsburgh SteelersAnalysis: Leftwich lacks mobility and tends to stay in the pocket too long, but his strong arm and good leadership could bail out the Steelers filling in for Roethlisberger in September. If Leftwich can't generate a 2-2 start, though, he might fall into a permanent backup role. Leftwich should withstand a challenge from Dennis Dixon, who flubbed his chance to claim the job with a poor preseason performance against Denver.Chance of being elite: 0 percent27. Matthew Stafford, Detroit LionsAnalysis: Stafford survived a painful rookie season in which he was pounded by defenses (24 sacks, 20 interceptions), but he showed flashes of greatness. Tight end Tony Scheffler and wide receiver Nate Burleson will pull coverage away from go-to receiver Calvin Johnson and give the Lions' offense -- and Stafford -- a chance. Chance of being elite: 55 percent28. Matt Leinart/Derek Anderson, Arizona CardinalsAnalysis: For Anderson, this is a chance to rebuild his career after tough seasons in Cleveland in 2008 and 2009. He's not very accurate, never completing more than 60 percent of his passes in a season in the NFL. For Leinart, this is the end of the line as a Cardinal after this season if he doesn't regain a starting job he had no business losing. Chances of being elite: 0 percent29. Josh Freeman, Tampa Bay BuccaneersAnalysis: Freeman is a big, athletic quarterback who is being paired with a promising, young receiving corps. The small fracture on the tip of his right thumb is a slight setback, but Freeman is the perfect quarterback for the Bucs to build around. Chance of being elite: 35 percent30. Sam Bradford, St. Louis RamsAnalysis: What amazes Rams management about Bradford is his accuracy and how calm he seems in the pocket. Unfortunately, his rookie season will be tough because St. Louis lacks big-play receivers and the offensive line is struggling. Chance of being elite: 85 percent31. Trent Edwards, Buffalo BillsAnalysis: Call it deja Bills. When Edwards entered the league in 2007, the Bills were a bottled-up offense desperately looking for receivers who could pull coverage away from Lee Evans. Edwards' lone target remains Evans, but the offensive line is now much worse. Chance of being elite: 0 percent32. Matt Moore, Carolina PanthersAnalysis: He has a 6-2 record as starter, but a slow start could speed the Jimmy Clausen era in Carolina. Chance of being elite: 5 percent33. Jake Delhomme, Cleveland BrownsAnalysis: Interceptions in the playoff loss to Arizona in 2008 led to a downward spiral for a quarterback who won a lot of games for John Fox and the Panthers. At 35, Delhomme has no chance of being a starter anywhere else if he doesn't cut it in Cleveland. Chance of being elite: 0 percentMatt Moore, Kevin Kolb should be higher. And Freeman and Stafford are better than Leftwich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwolfcfc Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 That looks like a pretty fair analysis at this point based on what we know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvcrook Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 How are almost half of the league's QBs "elite"? The list is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 How are almost half of the league's QBs "elite"? The list is laughable.I agree that him calling 14 QBs elite is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 How are almost half of the league's QBs "elite"? The list is laughable.He defined elite as capable of 4000 yards, 60% completion and fourth quarter comebacks- could easily have 14 elite QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofdonkey Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Ryan is so far from elite it ain't even funny. There are maybe 3 or 4 elite guys in the league; Manning, Brees, Rivers, RogersBut Ryan is ranked right where he should be, the middle of the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point_Blank Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 He should be in front of Flacco, but other than that I cant disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 He defined elite as capable of 4000 yards, 60% completion and fourth quarter comebacks- could easily have 14 elite QBs.Yes, but he is just arbitrarily changing the meaning of elite, which means the best of the best. It's dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted August 31, 2010 Author Share Posted August 31, 2010 Ryan is so far from elite it ain't even funny. There are maybe 3 or 4 elite guys in the league; Manning, Brees, Rivers, RogersBut Ryan is ranked right where he should be, the middle of the road.As is Josh Freeman at 29 - with a less than 50% chance of ever reaching the level Ryan will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutoMax Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 My personal list would have Romo and Roethlisberger lower and dropping by the minute, but that's just me. I don't see Romo as any more "elite" than Kyle Orton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofdonkey Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 As is Josh Freeman at 29 - with a less than 50% chance of ever reaching the level Ryan will.Problem is this is the best from Ryan we will see. I know you're in love so it's tough to see but this is it. At least with some of the other QB's the potential is far greater than Ryan will ever have the hope to achieve. Just wait for yet another sub-par year from the "golden boy" QB, this place is going to erupt. I would actually rather have Chad Pennington behind center than a clone of him like RYan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightsaidfred Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Ryan ranked over Schaub is a compliment IMO.LMAO at Del Hommy being #32.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaFalconPokerPro Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 How in the **** is Sanchez that far ahead of Stafford? I agree with most of the rankings, but not this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofEuphoria Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Problem is this is the best from Ryan we will see. I know you're in love so it's tough to see but this is it. At least with some of the other QB's the potential is far greater than Ryan will ever have the hope to achieve. Just wait for yet another sub-par year from the "golden boy" QB, this place is going to erupt. I would actually rather have Chad Pennington behind center than a clone of him like RYan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Problem is this is the best from Ryan we will see. I know you're in love so it's tough to see but this is it. At least with some of the other QB's the potential is far greater than Ryan will ever have the hope to achieve. Just wait for yet another sub-par year from the "golden boy" QB, this place is going to erupt. I would actually rather have Chad Pennington behind center than a clone of him like RYanOK, asked you before- can you back up the statement that Ryan won't get any better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOEinPHX Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 At least Jay Cutler didn't make the cut, but he came close at #14 with a 95% chance of moving up. I just don't see it - that guy is deeply flawed as a decision maker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Yes, but he is just arbitrarily changing the meaning of elite, which means the best of the best. It's dumb.Isn't that what sports are about? Look at the NFL Pro Bowl are those truly the "All-Stars" of the league or are they merely the best players that agreed to show up? Not to mention how often "Hall of Fame" gets thrown around when describing a player, even if he's having his first amazing year. Meaningless lists are fun to read and talk about, this list is no better or worse than the "Power Rankings" that are thrown around. It gives people something to talk about and enjoy which is what sports are about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted August 31, 2010 Author Share Posted August 31, 2010 Problem is this is the best from Ryan we will see. I know you're in love so it's tough to see but this is it. At least with some of the other QB's the potential is far greater than Ryan will ever have the hope to achieve. Just wait for yet another sub-par year from the "golden boy" QB, this place is going to erupt. I would actually rather have Chad Pennington behind center than a clone of him like RYanThis is your opinion and you are entitled to it, as is Clayton and every other fan of the game.However you may wish for it however, the reality will be what it will be. No amount of wishing for him to fail or dissing him and on the flipside, no amount of cheering for him or praising him will change what will be.So, unless you are God almighty, a prophet or messiah or have some wierd form of time transport into the future - your opinion is just as real as ours is and just as meaningful. For this reason - I don't jump on people for their opinion, I just laugh at them when they are wrong. Feel free to do so IF we are wrong as well.However, 2 years completed in the NFL is far from enough time to determine him a bust or elite. That's just my opinion. Yeah, I have one too.Only time will tell - and when it's said and done - we will see.As far as Pennington - why doesn't your coach call him up if you'd rather have him over Freeman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apl2g Posted August 31, 2010 Share Posted August 31, 2010 Nice. I hope he's right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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