Falcons are one short (playmaker) on offense

[falconcrest58]

if the Falcons want to contend for the big trophy they must add another playmaker on offense. Even when M Jenkins rtns' from his injury, we're still one short of what it takes to win it all, even if the defense is top 10. Look at NE, Colts, Saints, Packers,even look at the '07 NYG...they all had more play makers on offense. We can't count on Norwood (plus never get him the ball in space), Jenkins is just average, Weems, Finneran, others are average and solid #3 and #4's, but not enough to get to the big dance.Harry is a year away coming off the ACL and he too will be average. It's time for Coach Smith and TD to pull the trigger. I say let's go with Patrick Crayton or V Jax, both are available. Or be slightly above average on offense. Is that what we want? Can the Falcons win it all with what we have on offense?

Edited August 25, 2010 by falconcrest58

[ConnFalcon]

I think we can win it all with this offense, pending that our guys stay healthy. It def would not hurt to add another guy though.

[D-Will.OwnsCP3]

I thought Jackson was traded or is close to being traded to Seattle? I don't see too many guys out there that you can consider playmakers. Crayton is average, he has maybe one good season with 7 tds. I think we are fine on offense.

[LADBABY]

There is only one play maker in Indianapolis: Peyton Manning.

If Peyton Manning was throwing to Troy Bergeron this year Troy

would be an overnight wonder.

Minnesota is going to grab anything worth a hoot because Favre

is back and has zero weapons suddenly. A tight end maybe.

We are in good shape when you look around the league.

[miKevicK777]

if the Falcons want to contend for the big trophy they must add another playmaker on offense. Even when M Jenkins rtns' from his injury, we're still one short of what it takes to win it all, even if the defense is top 10. Look at NE, Colts, Saints, Packers,even look at the '07 NYG...they all had more play makers on offense. We can't count on Norwood (plus never get him the ball in space), Jenkins is just average, Weems, Finneran, others are average and solid #3 and #4's, but not enough to get to the big dance.Harry is a year away coming off the ACL and he too will be average. It's time for Coach Smith and TD to pull the trigger. I say let's go with Patrick Crayton or V Jax, both are available. Or be slightly above average on offense. Is that what we want? Can the Falcons win it all with what we have on offense?

just out of curiosity, how come u abbreviate "returns" with "rtns'". i dont think ive ever seen anyone do that before. its only 2 extra characters too.

but anyways, i dont think patrick crayton is a "playmaker" and vincent jackson is one of the best receivers in the league but he is still suspended for i believe 3 (perhaps 6?) games for violating substance abuse policy (idk what he did), he will command a max contract, and who knows what we would have to give up. TD likes building teams thru draft, and i think VJ's situation might not be so appealing (again susbtance abuse, suspension, max contract, compensation)

We have a young team, i dont think we need to be in the mind set of NOW or NEVER, we will be competing at a high level for years to come.

[D-Will.OwnsCP3]

I agree with everything you said! I think if we really NEED a playmaker we will draft one next year.

[Peyton]

There is only one play maker in Indianapolis: Peyton Manning.

If Peyton Manning was throwing to Troy Bergeron this year Troy

would be an overnight wonder.

Minnesota is going to grab anything worth a hoot because Favre

is back and has zero weapons suddenly. A tight end maybe.

We are in good shape when you look around the league.

Uh....no. First of all....seriously, Reggie Wayne isn't a playmaker?

The Colts are extremely loaded at WR, and Garcon or Collie would be a huge upgrade over Michael Jenkins.

[miKevicK777]

Uh....no. First of all....seriously, Reggie Wayne isn't a playmaker?

The Colts are extremely loaded at WR, and Garcon or Collie would be a huge upgrade over Michael Jenkins.

and dallas clark, dwight freeney, mathis are among the best in their positions

[Guest Gritz]

Uh....no. First of all....seriously, Reggie Wayne isn't a playmaker?

The Colts are extremely loaded at WR, and Garcon or Collie would be a huge upgrade over Michael Jenkins.

Yep...Peyton is right about this.

We could definitely use another offensive threat.

[Peyton]

I agree with the original poster actually. The Falcons need the offense to be in the Saints league in order to win the Super Bowl, because this defense just isn't a top 10 type squad.

This offense is woefully inadequate at the WR position after Douglas. This offense as it is will probably not be any better than last year's offense.

[miKevicK777]

I agree with the original poster actually. The Falcons need the offense to be in the Saints league in order to win the Super Bowl, because this defense just isn't a top 10 type squad.

This offense is woefully inadequate at the WR position after Douglas. This offense as it is will probably not be any better than last year's offense.

i disagree

i think the playmaker we need is at QB. If Matt plays better this year, this offense can be awfully good. Hes played well so far, but at some point i expect him to make that leap into elite status, and if this is the year which i think could be, then our offense is set for this year. We play a different offense than the saints, they spread it out alot more like pats, and colts, and they can do it because of their elite QBs, so instead of stacking the playmakers in WRs by giving up draft picks prematurely, I think we need to wait for Matt to develop into that elite QB or wait for the defense to develop into an elite defense before we make rash trades.

[miKevicK777]

i disagree

i think the playmaker we need is at QB. If Matt plays better this year, this offense can be awfully good. Hes played well so far, but at some point i expect him to make that leap into elite status, and if this is the year which i think could be, then our offense is set for this year. We play a different offense than the saints, they spread it out alot more like pats, and colts, and they can do it because of their elite QBs, so instead of stacking the playmakers in WRs by giving up draft picks prematurely, I think we need to wait for Matt to develop into that elite QB or wait for the defense to develop into an elite defense before we make rash trades.

i think what i meant to say was that we dont really know what we need yet, if anything because were not likely to win a superbowl without a elite qb or a great defense. Meaning I dont think another playmaker on offense will mean much without one or the other.

So we will see this season if matt ryan does make that leap into elite status or our defense makes a huge improvment, but until then I dont think number of offensive playmakers is the problem.

[War Damn Eagle]

I agree with the original poster actually. The Falcons need the offense to be in the Saints league in order to win the Super Bowl, because this defense just isn't a top 10 type squad.

This offense is woefully inadequate at the WR position after Douglas. This offense as it is will probably not be any better than last year's offense.

I totally agree. What many people here don't realize is that if you're not gettin better, you're gettin worse in this league. The offense definitely took a step backwards last year and it was only PARTIALLY due to injuries. I really can't see how they've made much, if any improvement over the last 2 years. Roddy is inconsistent. Jenkins can't get open or catch. Tony G is good but Matt stares him down on every play. Turner is a bruiser, but we desperately need a deep threat (hint - norwood wtfu - hint). I know I sound negative, but I just haven't seen any attempt to improve the offense. Atleast they're trying to improve the defense.

[Nono]

I agree with the original poster actually. The Falcons need the offense to be in the Saints league in order to win the Super Bowl, because this defense just isn't a top 10 type squad.

This offense is woefully inadequate at the WR position after Douglas. This offense as it is will probably not be any better than last year's offense.

My feelings too

[falconcrest58]

just out of curiosity, how come u abbreviate "returns" with "rtns'". i dont think ive ever seen anyone do that before. its only 2 extra characters too.

but anyways, i dont think patrick crayton is a "playmaker" and vincent jackson is one of the best receivers in the league but he is still suspended for i believe 3 (perhaps 6?) games for violating substance abuse policy (idk what he did), he will command a max contract, and who knows what we would have to give up. TD likes building teams thru draft, and i think VJ's situation might not be so appealing (again susbtance abuse, suspension, max contract, compensation)

We have a young team, i dont think we need to be in the mind set of NOW or NEVER, we will be competing at a high level for years to come.

mvick7777---who really gives a flip about returns or rtns'...dude don't waste your time or mind being the grammar police. This is a FB MB ;-(

Micheal Jenkins is a great 3rd wr...but Peyton and TB couldn't make him a lot better. Now let's look at it this way.....what if R. White goes down????? We're pucked....I'm just thinking our defense is going to be good enough to get to the promise land with a more potent offense. That's just me...been saying this all offseason. If TD doesn't make a move....then I hope I'll wrong

[Peyton]

I totally agree. What many people here don't realize is that if you're not gettin better, you're gettin worse in this league. The offense definitely took a step backwards last year and it was only PARTIALLY due to injuries. I really can't see how they've made much, if any improvement over the last 2 years. Roddy is inconsistent. Jenkins can't get open or catch. Tony G is good but Matt stares him down on every play. Turner is a bruiser, but we desperately need a deep threat (hint - norwood wtfu - hint). I know I sound negative, but I just haven't seen any attempt to improve the offense. Atleast they're trying to improve the defense.

Man that is so true. That is what makes the Falcons counting on players coming off ACL tears to be difference makers so scary.

[BirdWeisErrr_2]

HD coming soon. Stay tuned.

[miKevicK777]

I totally agree. What many people here don't realize is that if you're not gettin better, you're gettin worse in this league. The offense definitely took a step backwards last year and it was only PARTIALLY due to injuries. I really can't see how they've made much, if any improvement over the last 2 years. Roddy is inconsistent. Jenkins can't get open or catch. Tony G is good but Matt stares him down on every play. Turner is a bruiser, but we desperately need a deep threat (hint - norwood wtfu - hint). I know I sound negative, but I just haven't seen any attempt to improve the offense. Atleast they're trying to improve the defense.

one could make the argument that the improvement on the offense is harry. the thing is, there isnt much room for improvment. i dont see a reasonable remedy to improve the offensive personell.

the focus this offseason was made on defense and accordingly so. we struggled much more on defense last year than offense. we need a balanced team and you cant better every aspect of your team in one year.

im looking at it like this, we got spoon, dunta, jerry, harry, and peters this offseason.

those are 5 guys that are ready to contribute that were unavabile to us last year, so we havent lost anything so our team IS getting better.

[ki46dinah]

I dont see how there are that many viable WR threats out there in the open market.

Jackson would require us giving somethin up(that would be fine by me), a ton of money(not fine by me), and already missing 3 games because of a substance abuse problem.

And he is holding out even in the light of his substance abuse bust.

Forget a headache like that...leave him in San Diego.

[Peyton]

I dont see how there are that many viable WR threats out there in the open market.

Jackson would require us giving somethin up(that would be fine by me), a ton of money(not fine by me), and already missing 3 games because of a substance abuse problem.

And he is holding out even in the light of his substance abuse bust.

Forget a headache like that...leave him in San Diego.

I think Jackson is doing the right thing. The truth is...the Chargers have no interest in trading Jackson. The Chargers division is so horrible they don't even care if they are missing Jackson for the first half of the year. So...they will wait for him to come in after week 6 and only have to pay him $200,000 this year and still win their division easily.

Keep in mind that the problem isn't that Jackson is asking for too much money in San Diego - San Diego hasn't even been willing to speak with his agents about a long term deal. So I don't really blame him, the injury risk for a WR is significant.

[falconcrest58]

obviously we're going to

[Guest Gritz]

Here's my concern about the Falcon offense most of the time. We seem to be the type of offense that is content to take what the defense gives us. I call it "playing short." We seem to complete mainly short passes (square outs, curls...etc....). We don't seem to have that same big play ability or capability that the upper echelon teams have.....and we seem to be content with that.

We can all hate on the Taints as much as we want (and I believe I have the credentials to state that I hate them as much or more than anyone) but they impose their offensive will on their opponents.

I'm glad we're talking about this.

[miKevicK777]

mvick7777---who really gives a flip about returns or rtns'...dude don't waste your time or mind being the grammar police. This is a FB MB ;-(

Micheal Jenkins is a great 3rd wr...but Peyton and TB couldn't make him a lot better. Now let's look at it this way.....what if R. White goes down????? We're pucked....I'm just thinking our defense is going to be good enough to get to the promise land with a more potent offense. That's just me...been saying this all offseason. If TD doesn't make a move....then I hope I'll wrong

im not on the grammer police force, it was just baffling to me that someone would abbreviate that word, it almost seems one would have to go out of the way to think of an abbreviation for it casue its not very common. i just brought it up cause it was interesting

yea if roddy goes down it would definitely affect us but i think this games built so that the rest of the team can pick up the slack to some extent for any one player going down besides the QB. But I mean roddy is real solid, i think a top 10 in the league so for most teams if their top 10 receiver goes down, it would really hurt them. For example, with the talks of vincent jackson trades, do you think SD is pucked if he doesnt play for them this year? I think theyll find a way to manage without him

[cooperbh]

if the Falcons want to contend for the big trophy they must add another playmaker on offense. Even when M Jenkins rtns' from his injury, we're still one short of what it takes to win it all, even if the defense is top 10. Look at NE, Colts, Saints, Packers,even look at the '07 NYG...they all had more play makers on offense. We can't count on Norwood (plus never get him the ball in space), Jenkins is just average, Weems, Finneran, others are average and solid #3 and #4's, but not enough to get to the big dance.Harry is a year away coming off the ACL and he too will be average. It's time for Coach Smith and TD to pull the trigger. I say let's go with Patrick Crayton or V Jax, both are available. Or be slightly above average on offense. Is that what we want? Can the Falcons win it all with what we have on offense?

The Falcons have an All-Pro RB, a Pro Bowl WR, a HOF TE and an up-and-coming former ROY ready to break out at QB. That's four proven playmakers, not counting HD and Norwood - guys who have flashed ample playmaking ability of their own. Of the teams you named in your post, I defy you or anyone else to name just one who currently has - or has had at any point - four playmakers anywhere near the caliber the Falcons have going into the 2010 season.

[Peyton]

Here's my concern about the Falcon offense most of the time. We seem to be the type of offense that is content to take what the defense gives us. I call it "playing short." We seem to complete mainly short passes (square outs, curls...etc....). We don't seem to have that same big play ability or capability that the upper echelon teams have.....and we seem to be content with that.

We can all hate on the Taints as much as we want (and I believe I have the credentials to state that I hate them as much or more than anyone) but they impose their offensive will on their opponents.

I'm glad we're talking about this.

Yeah, for most of the year last year, defenses only had to worry about covering the first 15 yards past the line of scrimmage.