falcon057 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 If we don't make the Tackles and Catch the throws we will not win! We blame the kicker, the Ref's, and the play calling. We say it's preseason and doesn't matter. This is just simple football 101. We have the talent to win. We have the coaches to win. I saw players in position to make plays on both sides of the ball and didn't. Until our players make the plays it will not change the out come. We need to put the ball in the end zone and stop counting on a kicker to hit from 50 yards out! I saw players in position for 1st down catches that were dropped(drive killer). I saw NE run threw 2 and 3 tackles. I saw Lbs(54) getting taken totally out of running plays back to back. Lets put the blame on the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kibitzer Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I think most aren't concerned about the coaches, I really do. At least I'm not. There's another position that starts with a C ends with an R and has oordinato in the middle that we're worried about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon057 Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 I think most aren't concerned about the coaches, I really do. At least I'm not. There's another position that starts with a C ends with an R and has oordinato in the middle that we're worried about.How many balls has he dropped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kibitzer Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 How many balls has he dropped?That may also be part of the problem. Maybe a guys balls have to drop before he gets any as a coordinator. I'm no doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon057 Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 That may also be part of the problem. Maybe a guys balls have to drop before he gets any as a coordinator. I'm no doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.You may try a different Hotel, one that has a tv so you can see the game. The dropped balls killed the drives not the coach. Why do we want to blame someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironhead1970 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 That may also be part of the problem. Maybe a guys balls have to drop before he gets any as a coordinator. I'm no doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterback Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 (edited) You stated: "We have the talent to win."If this is true, then it is incumbent upon the coaches to teach, coach and lead such talent to win! This is what coaches are for; this is their primary purpose!True, a coach cannot catch the ball or tackle an opponent. However, when we continue to get gashed (like last night against our 1st stringers) by running backs with wide open holes, seemingly never stopping an offense on big 3rd downs, and almost never stretching the field with the long throws--if we have the "talent," as you say--is overwhelming and convincing evidence of ineffective coaching of such talent!Otherwise, why have coaches at all? Edited August 20, 2010 by Quarterback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kibitzer Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Neg away beeyotch! It's a msg. board. If you can't handle a little disagreement once in a while, maybe you need to take a taxi to namby pamby land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kibitzer Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 You may try a different Hotel, one that has a tv so you can see the game. The dropped balls killed the drives not the coach. Why do we want to blame someone else?Not giving MM or BVG a break just yet. Sorry. All I heard on here last year was excuses for BVG. "Oh no, he IS a great coordinator! He just doesn't have all the pieces he needs, he needs the right talent for his schemes to work, the players didn't execute (I will give him that one at times)...." You can't have it both ways. A GENERAL consensus on the boards is that he has all his players/talent now. If that's what our defense is going to look like if the starters get dinged up this year, we're in for a long haul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon057 Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 You stated: "We have the talent to win."If this is true, then it is incumbent upon the coaches to teach, coach and lead such talent to win! This is what coaches are for; this is their primary purpose!True, a coach cannot catch the ball or tackle an opponent. However, when we continue to get gashed (like last night against our 1st stringers) by running backs with wide open holes, seemingly never stopping an offense on big 3rd downs, and almost never stretching the field with the long throws--if we have the "talent," as you say--is overwhelming and convincing evidence of ineffective coaching of such talent!Otherwise, why have coaches at all?Maybe your right," we don't have the talent to win". I think we do. If we drop balls 10 yards out, how will it get easier on fly routes to catch balls? Coaches can only have players in position to make plays. I'm not ready to fire Smithy but give them time to coach up our players or find new ones with the talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 You may try a different Hotel, one that has a tv so you can see the game. The dropped balls killed the drives not the coach. Why do we want to blame someone else?I hope the 3rd down pass to Gonzo is not one of the drops that you were referring to. That was just an awesome play by the defender. Gonzo had the ball, and it was knocked out of his hands. Great defensive play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kibitzer Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Maybe your right," we don't have the talent to win". I think we do. If we drop balls 10 yards out, how will it get easier on fly routes to catch balls? Coaches can only have players in position to make plays. I'm not ready to fire Smithy but give them time to coach up our players or find new ones with the talent.Who has said anything negative about Smitty at all on here? I don't think I've seen one thread or post bashing him. :wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon057 Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 Who has said anything negative about Smitty at all on here? I don't think I've seen one thread or post bashing him. :wacko:Who hires and picks his coaching staff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon057 Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 Neg away beeyotch! It's a msg. board. If you can't handle a little disagreement once in a while, maybe you need to take a taxi to namby pamby land.I haven't neg you at all, I will +1 to remove them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Who hires and picks his coaching staff?Tell me what's wrong with the coaching staff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon057 Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 Tell me what's wrong with the coaching staff?you tell me, I'm happy with them. I think our players need to step up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kibitzer Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Again, I think that most think the coaches are fine. At this point, and possibly too early, many (including me and not just based on 2 preseason games) people are questioning the OCs. And btw, I doubt it's entirely up to Smitty to hire/fire OCs w/out needing or requiring any input from TD and AB. If anything, I do give Smitty some of the responsibility for the Defense, since it's his background. No way to know if he's giving VG free reign, or if VG is running Smitty's system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durrty Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 All I know is I need to see some improvement. Fundamentals seem to kill this team at times. -_- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birds_till_death Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I hope the 3rd down pass to Gonzo is not one of the drops that you were referring to. That was just an awesome play by the defender. Gonzo had the ball, and it was knocked out of his hands. Great defensive play.i hate to bust your bubble, but that is no-where near accurate. That's what could be said on the roddy white slant that was broken up, but you could also call that PI. it could go either way.The gonzo drop was a clear case of it just going straight through his hands, it even hit him in the face mask. even the best make mistakes and drops now and then. Gonzo had the defender completly behind him and blocked out. but if you dvr'd the game, i would suggest to go back and watch that play, that was a pure missed catch by Gonzo, not a good play by the defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 i hate to bust your bubble, but that is no-where near accurate. That's what could be said on the roddy white slant that was broken up, but you could also call that PI. it could go either way.The gonzo drop was a clear case of it just going straight through his hands, it even hit him in the face mask. even the best make mistakes and drops now and then. Gonzo had the defender completly behind him and blocked out. but if you dvr'd the game, i would suggest to go back and watch that play, that was a pure missed catch by Gonzo, not a good play by the defender.Look at it on replay, and save your bubbles. The ball was knocked out of Gonzo's hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLbound Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Neg away beeyotch! It's a msg. board. If you can't handle a little disagreement once in a while, maybe you need to take a taxi to namby pamby land.Ya jackwagon...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon057 Posted August 20, 2010 Author Share Posted August 20, 2010 Again, I think that most think the coaches are fine. At this point, and possibly too early, many (including me and not just based on 2 preseason games) people are questioning the OCs. And btw, I doubt it's entirely up to Smitty to hire/fire OCs w/out needing or requiring any input from TD and AB. If anything, I do give Smitty some of the responsibility for the Defense, since it's his background. No way to know if he's giving VG free reign, or if VG is running Smitty's system.If coach Smith felt the need to change it would happen! The system is based on control of the clock in years past. Will it change, that's up to CSmith.CS is involed in the defense for sure. Look at the sidelines after a series. Where are the players held accountable on this board. :Fire the coaches -lol- lets get real. Other than the kicker missing a 50 yard routine kick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 i hate to bust your bubble, but that is no-where near accurate. That's what could be said on the roddy white slant that was broken up, but you could also call that PI. it could go either way.The gonzo drop was a clear case of it just going straight through his hands, it even hit him in the face mask. even the best make mistakes and drops now and then. Gonzo had the defender completly behind him and blocked out. but if you dvr'd the game, i would suggest to go back and watch that play, that was a pure missed catch by Gonzo, not a good play by the defender.Agree 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kibitzer Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Ya jackwagon...lolThose tissues hit me square in the eye, ya meanie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLbound Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 I hope the 3rd down pass to Gonzo is not one of the drops that you were referring to. That was just an awesome play by the defender. Gonzo had the ball, and it was knocked out of his hands. Great defensive play.that wasn't knocked out of his hands. look at the play in slow motion when they re-air and the ball actually hit him in the facemask and then fell down to the ground.I'm actually agreeing with the OP on this one. As far as the first stringers are concerned I felt the scheme was good given we didn't gameplan for the team.We had open people on 3rd downs on offense and we had people in position on 3rd defense. We either dropped the pass or didn't make the catch.There has been times Mularkey and BVG seem like they call the wrong play, but I don't think this was the case in the last game.I'm only concerned about the tackling really. I'm not concerned about Gonzo or others not catching the ball. Those guys are veterans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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