FalconinPA Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 First let me start of by saying that I have been one of the most crucial fans of Ja98 over the past 3 seasons. Yes, at times I have even called him the biggest bust in franchise history. (sorry Aundray Bruce, Bruce Pickens)But, I think ths year with our much improved secondary and kroy starting at DE opposite Ja55, Ja98 will not feel as much pressure and benefit from this tremendously. Now, I am not saying that he is gonna set the place on fire, but I think he will have his best stat season as a falcon.I expect great things from our defense this year. From DeCoud, Dunta, Lofton, Biermann, Owens, Moore and yes Ja98.(in case of Ja98, not great, but above his norm) I think his versatility to switch between DT and DE is gonna come up huge for us at times this season. With the spotlight not on him so much, I think Ja98 is gonna put to together a good 2010. Although, I bash him alot, I still want him to succeed. If he succeeds the Falcons succeed.One last thing, I know it is sunday morning and I haven't been out smoking anything illegal or hungover. Numbers I think Ja98 will put up this seasonsacks:3.5 to 4.5tackles:40+2 forced fumbles 1 pick(okay, I might be pushing it)Let the flaming begin!!!!! :unsure: :wacko: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apl2g Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 First let me start of by saying that I have been one of the most crucial fans of Ja98 over the past 3 seasons. Yes, at times I have even called him the biggest bust in franchise history. (sorry Aundray Bruce, Bruce Pickens)But, I think ths year with our much improved secondary and kroy starting at DE opposite Ja55, Ja98 will not feel as much pressure and benefit from this tremendously. Now, I am not saying that he is gonna set the place on fire, but I think he will have his best stat season as a falcon.I expect great things from our defense this year. From DeCoud, Dunta, Lofton, Biermann, Owens, Moore and yes Ja98.(in case of Ja98, not great, but above his norm) I think his versatility to switch between DT and DE is gonna come up huge for us at times this season. With the spotlight not on him so much, I think Ja98 is gonna put to together a good 2010. Although, I bash him alot, I still want him to succeed. If he succeeds the Falcons succeed.One last thing, I know it is sunday morning and I haven't been out smoking anything illegal or hungover. Numbers I think Ja98 will put up this seasonsacks:3.5 to 4.5tackles:40+2 forced fumbles 1 pick(okay, I might be pushing it)Let the flaming begin!!!!! :unsure: :wacko:I hope that you are right.. i would be happy with 3.5 to4.5 sacks because i think that will open up things for the rest of our guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 You always have my back so I wouldn't ever flame you, but I do think it's pretty funny that your thinking your going to get flamed for predicting that due will have "3.5 to 4.5 sacks".What does that say about how far our expectations have dropped for this dude.I've always said that I think Jamaaal's problem is more work ethic than in it is talent, so I've never thought it was impossible for him to turn it around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddyFalcon21 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 First let me start of by saying that I have been one of the most crucial fans of Ja98 over the past 3 seasons. Yes, at times I have even called him the biggest bust in franchise history. (sorry Aundray Bruce, Bruce Pickens)But, I think ths year with our much improved secondary and kroy starting at DE opposite Ja55, Ja98 will not feel as much pressure and benefit from this tremendously. Now, I am not saying that he is gonna set the place on fire, but I think he will have his best stat season as a falcon.I expect great things from our defense this year. From DeCoud, Dunta, Lofton, Biermann, Owens, Moore and yes Ja98.(in case of Ja98, not great, but above his norm) I think his versatility to switch between DT and DE is gonna come up huge for us at times this season. With the spotlight not on him so much, I think Ja98 is gonna put to together a good 2010. Although, I bash him alot, I still want him to succeed. If he succeeds the Falcons succeed.One last thing, I know it is sunday morning and I haven't been out smoking anything illegal or hungover. Numbers I think Ja98 will put up this seasonsacks:3.5 to 4.5tackles:40+2 forced fumbles 1 pick(okay, I might be pushing it)Let the flaming begin!!!!! :unsure: :wacko:Yeah the 1 pick is pushing it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Falcon Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I think as a DT it is more likely he will have passes batted down at the LOS than interceptions, so you might consider 2 passes batted down equal to 1 predicted INT - it's your prediction though, not mine.I think JA98 has missed some chances to learn from people like Chuck Smith when he offered, but watching games JA98's biggest problem is he is ALWAYS a half step slow firing off the line compared to everyone else. Go back to some of the games with this in mind. I think the guy lacks the quick twitch explosion that DE need to be effective. I don't know how they do the combine drills, but I think it is on the guy's first movement - so he probably did the 3 cone or whatever very fast for his size. But if they did those drills with a starter pistol, I bet he would be at the bottom of the scores.I agree I want him to 'find a home' at DT and be effective there. This means run stopping and occupying guards and tackles to keep them off Lofton, Spoon, Nicholas, Peterson. If he gets some penetration and disruption on passes that is gravy. Having an effective DT that could still play DE in a pinch provides some diversity that the NFL values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Testasparo Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 lol. Someone says this every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofEuphoria Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 lol. Someone says this every year. Yup. While i DO believe this will be JA98s best year as a Falcon, how that translates into statsis yet to be seen. In all honesty, if the dude got more than 2.5 sacks on the year these boardswould implode.uh-oh deja vu...Wait....i think i said that last year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Kent™ Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 (edited) I will agree with you. Mainly because:1) His previous seasons have not been very good and it would not take a fantastic season to be an upgrade. It would take a productive season to be considered an upgrade.2) The offseason to get more reps at DT and to change his body to be able to sustain a year of more snaps at DT. I think he played pretty good at DT last year and that is without many reps before getting thrown in there.I don't think his versatility is going to be a huge deal for us because hopefully he will be playing much more snaps at just DT and alot less at DE. Edited June 13, 2010 by Clark Kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supes™ Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I'm not an Adam Sandler fan, but if he suited up for the Falcons on Sundays, I'd pull for the goof ball. Same with JA98. I'm a fan because he's a Falcon and I want him to do well. Well, I'm still waiting and wanting.One way or another, he must have an impact this season at either DE or DT or both, it don't matter, or he'll most certainly be on the trade block after 2010.Sacks are sexy but highly overrated. Would you rather a DE get 1 sack per game and otherwise be a non-factor, or get no sacks but provide continuous, relentless pressure rushing the QB, busting up plays, batting down passes, shutting down the run, etc.? I don't know that JA98 is capable of the 2nd option, but I do know he's gonna be a Falcon again this season and his story has yet to be told. I wish him the best and nothing else.It's a sack-happy league but sacks don't tell the whole story, not by a long shot.Go, 98! Go,... or be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 His "best season as a Falcon" is a pretty low standard and doesn't necessarily mean a good season or even one that will get him a 2nd contract with Atlanta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 You always have my back so I wouldn't ever flame you, but I do think it's pretty funny that your thinking your going to get flamed for predicting that due will have "3.5 to 4.5 sacks".What does that say about how far our expectations have dropped for this dude.I've always said that I think Jamaaal's problem is more work ethic than in it is talent, so I've never thought it was impossible for him to turn it around.Nice...just conflate DE with DT in your post above to arrive at a conclusion that fits your position. Expectations on stats change by position change, something you have completely ignored when coming to the conclusion that our expections have dropped from sack totals when a player is being switched fro DE to DT.LDE is the strong side where you need better run support from a LDE and DT is not a position you should have any disappointment if your DT doesn't get double digit sacks.How many sacks did we get from our RDE JA55 last year? 5.5 How many sacks did we get from our awesome DT Babineuax? Now tell me why 4.5 sacks from DT is "already" a disappointment to you regardless of anything else he does all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKH5785 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 (edited) Now tell me why 4.5 sacks from DT is "already" a disappointment to you regardless of anything else he does all year.I think Peyton was just commenting on the irony of our expectations for our 1st rd pick having his best season in 4 years with 3.5 - 4.5 sacks Edited June 13, 2010 by JKH5785 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miKevicK777 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 the guys been horrible the past 3 seasonsto say he will have his best season is like saying aretha franklins going to lose some weight, will we be able to tell?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photofalcon Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Maybe if the organization would light a fire under his a$$ and stop making excuses for him,he would improve.That being said, he continues to get playing time when others are doing more, so maybe he practices really well IDK, it boggles my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I think Peyton was just commenting on the irony of our expectations for our 1st rd pick having his best season in 4 years with 3.5 - 4.5 sacksNot sure what post of his you are referring to, but I am commenting on whereHe directly referenced the sack projection of 3.5-4.5 and then concluded our expectations had dropped.So his point is JA98 moved from DE to DT and our sack expections dropped of him?????? No kiddin!! Whoda thunk such a thing had he not pointed this out?Also, we all love Babs, how's the 4.5 sacks look when we compare our other starting beloved DTs sack stats to them?Exactly.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Maybe if the organization would light a fire under his a$$ and stop making excuses for him,he would improve.That being said, he continues to get playing time when others are doing more, so maybe he practices really well IDK, it boggles my mind.It might not be so mind boggling if you considered for a moment TD, Smitty and Hamilton know more about his efforts and contributioins than you do.In fact, JA55 said that JA98 was playing very good last year and was really helping everyone else. JA98 drew praise from JA55 but you won't see that repeated by those repeating what JA55 said the first year about him not listening.Just throwing that out there to you for consumption. It certainly would explain the boggling you have going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Nice...just conflate DE with DT in your post above to arrive at a conclusion that fits your position. Expectations on stats change by position change, something you have completely ignored when coming to the conclusion that our expections have dropped from sack totals when a player is being switched fro DE to DT.LDE is the strong side where you need better run support from a LDE and DT is not a position you should have any disappointment if your DT doesn't get double digit sacks.How many sacks did we get from our RDE JA55 last year? 5.5 How many sacks did we get from our awesome DT Babineuax? Now tell me why 4.5 sacks from DT is "already" a disappointment to you regardless of anything else he does all year.Who said anything about DT? Are we just assuming that Jamaal is never going to line up at DE again? I didn't realize that, I thought he was going to be a duel role player.Anyway, look, I appreciate the fact that you always have JA's back, but let's remember something. Over 30% of the value of JA's contract was contingent upon him averaging 10 sacks a season. Somebody involved in those negotiations expected JA to get some sacks. Tell your theories to them I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Who said anything about DT? That's exactly the point, as you said nothing about this when saying what our sack expections were of him in previous yours to 2010.Were you disappointed in Babs sack totals last year? Please tell me how many sacks you expected from Babs last year and how well you think he played overall while including his sack totals?Should we cut or trade Babs based on what should be a disappointing season to you (if we use same criteria you are on JA98) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKH5785 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 You always have my back so I wouldn't ever flame you, but I do think it's pretty funny that your thinking your going to get flamed for predicting that due will have "3.5 to 4.5 sacks".What does that say about how far our expectations have dropped for this dude.I've always said that I think Jamaaal's problem is more work ethic than in it is talent, so I've never thought it was impossible for him to turn it around.Not sure what post of his you are referring to, but I am commenting on whereHe directly referenced the sack projection of 3.5-4.5 and then concluded our expectations had dropped.So his point is JA98 moved from DE to DT and our sack expections dropped of him?????? No kiddin!! Whoda thunk such a thing had he not pointed this out?Also, we all love Babs, how's the 4.5 sacks look when we compare our other starting beloved DTs sack stats to them?Exactly..................I reffering to this quote from Peyton in which your directly commented on. All Peyton was saying is that he thought the irony was funny that the OP said please don't flame me for projecting JA98 to have 3.5 - 4.5 in which he directly quoted from the OP, did you notice the quotations??? Even I think it quite ironic that he was a 1st round pick and 4 years later we are saying if he gets 3.5 - 4.5 sacks it will be his career season. He made no point about JA98 sack expectations dropping nor said anything about babs. I notice that you do this all the time, you take what someone says and then in your mind you twist it and flame back at them for it. Your nuts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyHighFalcons Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Well best is a very broad word. JA98 could make this his best season as a Falcon in a series of 4 plays. So it clearly won't take much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlfanlova Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Sounds good I hope you're right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKH5785 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 (edited) That's exactly the point, as you said nothing about this when saying what our sack expections were of him in previous yours to 2010.Were you disappointed in any of Babs last few seasons? Please tell me how many sacks you expected from Babs last year.He didn't have to say anything about Babs. Your losing it man. His whole point was almost said in a joking manner. There was nothing about sack expectations dropping, how can they drop when he has never had more than two? This is a thread about Jamaal not babs, For Jamaal 3.5 -4.5 sacks would be a career year no matter what position he played, and four years into his career after being a highly touted first round pick, well frankly it's quite ironic. Edited June 13, 2010 by JKH5785 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photofalcon Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 It might not be so mind boggling if you considered for a moment TD, Smitty and Hamilton know more about his efforts and contributioins than you do.In fact, JA55 said that JA98 was playing very good last year and was really helping everyone else. JA98 drew praise from JA55 but you won't see that repeated by those repeating what JA55 said the first year about him not listening.Just throwing that out there to you for consumption. It certainly would explain the boggling you have going on.Well, no coach or player in the NFL is going to say that his teammate blows. If he does, he is branded like TO.I am so sure that TD,Smitty,and Hamilton know waay more about his efforts than I do. However, I am just as familiar with the less than stellar end result as they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Well best is a very broad word. JA98 could make this his best season as a Falcon in a series of 4 plays. So it clearly won't take much.This is the epitome of many in the fanbase perspective and why the coaching staff clearly feels he is way more productive.The coaches do not single out 4 plays to rate a players season, the fans do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Well best is a very broad word. JA98 could make this his best season as a Falcon in a series of 4 plays. So it clearly won't take much. Gotta admit I was thinking something along those lines too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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