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Good for Rickey Jackson and all that, but how does he get in the HOF and Tommy Nobis doesn't.

I really don't get it and it angers me to no end. :angry:

It isn't a requirement that you have to be on a winning team. And the ain'ts were not exactly lighting the

NFL up. His high for tackles was below 75 tackles etc.

Jackson was sort of a hybrid def. end and yet he makes it as a line backer and Tommy Nobis doesn't.

What is going on here?

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It's either some type of personal politics going on with the voters or some sports franchise bias based on yesterday's and/or today's success of said franchise (ie. the Saints). There's a reason why so many HOF are Cowboys, Redskins, Steelers, etc.

I'm really sick for Nobis and I'm equally sick of seeing this favoritism.

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The Falcons have been the bottom feeders of the league for years. The Saints turned the corner into th elite and their great players are getting notice. Give it time and when we turn that corner guys like Nobis and Tuggle will get noticed.

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http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/class_of_2010.aspx#Jackson

Good for Rickey Jackson and all that, but how does he get in the HOF and Tommy Nobis doesn't.

I really don't get it and it angers me to no end. :angry:

It isn't a requirement that you have to be on a winning team. And the ain'ts were not exactly lighting the

NFL up. His high for tackles was below 75 tackles etc.

Jackson was sort of a hybrid def. end and yet he makes it as a line backer and Tommy Nobis doesn't.

What is going on here?

This news is going to add to my already high anxiety.

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It's either some type of personal politics going on with the voters or some sports franchise bias based on yesterday's and/or today's success of said franchise (ie. the Saints). There's a reason why so many HOF are Cowboys, Redskins, Steelers, etc.

I'm really sick for Nobis and I'm equally sick of seeing this favoritism.

I agree and because of this the HOF is losing some of its creditability, IMO.

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http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/class_of_2010.aspx#Jackson

Good for Rickey Jackson and all that, but how does he get in the HOF and Tommy Nobis doesn't.

I really don't get it and it angers me to no end. :angry:

It isn't a requirement that you have to be on a winning team. And the ain'ts were not exactly lighting the

NFL up. His high for tackles was below 75 tackles etc.

Jackson was sort of a hybrid def. end and yet he makes it as a line backer and Tommy Nobis doesn't.

What is going on here?

Nobis continues to get screwed as said before if he played in New York,Philly,Dallas,Chicag etc he'd be in the Hall first ballot, and probably have a statue in front of what ever stadium he played in.More more younger voters and a northeast bias no doubt plays some part. Claude,Kenn, Van Note etc. all probably deserve enshrinement but they won't get it

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From Bleacher Report:link

No Surprise: Voters Butcher Pro Football Hall Of Fame Selections

by Dean Hybl Analyst Written on February 06, 2010 Given their past track record, I guess there should be no surprise that the voters for the Pro Football Hall of Fame made some bad decisions during their annual selection meeting on Saturday.

They didn’t mess up the selection of two deserving first-ballot candidates in Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith, but in my opinion the rest of their choices were seriously lacking.

In addition to Rice and Smith, the other members of the 2010 Hall of Fame Class will be Rickey Jackson, Russ Grimm, Floyd Little, **** LeBeau, and John Randle.

Of those other five, in my opinion only Randle was the best player at his position who is not already in the Hall of Fame.

Little is among the 10 best running backs previously excluded from the HOF, but there are a plethora of more deserving players at the respective positions than Grimm, LeBeau, and Jackson.

As has become commonplace, the Hall of Fame voters overlooked some clearly deserving candidates while selecting others that most people would consider borderline.

Let’s look at the five questionable selections one at a time.

Rickey Jackson

Though a solid linebacker during his career primarily with the Saints and 49ers, I have a hard time believing that Jackson is more worthy of being inducted into the Hall of Fame than Randy Gradishar, Chuck Howley, Sam Mills, Robert Brazile, Chris Hanburger, or a number of other talented linebackers who have not yet earned the call from the Hall.

Russ Grimm

I have basically the same opinion about Grimm that I do with Jackson. You can make a Hall of Fame case for him, but is Grimm more deserving than Jerry Kramer, Dermontti Dawson, Walt Sweeney, Bob Kuechenberg, or even his teammate, Joe Jacoby?

In my series last summer on the best players not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, I had Grimm as the 15th best offensive lineman not in the Hall of Fame.

Floyd Little

I think there are better running backs not in the Hall of Fame, but as a senior’s committee nominee, I am glad that Little was finally recognized for a great career that ended 35 years ago.

When looking at the running backs, I had Little as the seventh-best not in the HOF, so he certainly has Hall of Fame credentials.

**** LeBeau

My issue with **** LeBeau has to do as much with the process and structure of the Hall of Fame selections as it does specifically with his worthiness. According to what I have read about the rules for Hall of Fame selection, senior candidates are to be considered for their play on the field.

Performance as a coach is to be considered only after a coach retires. For that reason, I have a very difficult time with **** LeBeau being selected to the Hall of Fame at this time.

He was a good NFL player, but he was not a Hall of Fame player on the field. He was named to only three Pro Bowls in 14 years and was never a first-team All-Pro.

If over the next few weeks he is lauded for both his work as a player and as a coach, then the Hall of Fame needs to immediately change their selection rules and, in my opinion, completely overhaul their selection committee.

John Randle

Of the five selections other than Rice and Smith, I think Randle is the one where they definitely got it right. Randle was one of the best defensive linemen in the NFL for more than a decade.

He registered double-digit sack numbers nine times and 137.5 for his career. He was a Pro Bowl selection seven times and first-team All-Pro on six occasions.

Of those left out this year, I think Shannon Sharpe is the one who should be most disappointed.

He defined the tight end position during his time in the NFL and was the all-time leading receiver for tight ends at the time of his retirement. I wasn’t surprised that he didn’t get in last year, but he should have gotten in during his second season of eligibility.

I am now wondering if Sharpe is not getting in because he was loud and boisterous as a player and remains the same as a broadcaster. The Hall of Fame voters often have downgraded players because of how they treated the media or their outspokenness.

Giving me particular reason to think this is that in his article prior to the selections, John Clayton said that Sharpe had only a 35 percent chance of getting into the Hall of Fame.

Considering that he set the standard for his position, I struggle to understand why a member of the committee would say someone like Sharpe would have only 35 percent chance at induction. I don’t know what it is, but there is obviously something else holding Sharpe out of the HOF.

I know that it will never happen, but in my opinion this year is another excellent example of why the selection process for the Hall of Fame needs to be radically overhauled.

It is obvious that those making the choices include personal bias in the decision making instead of simply inducting the best players.

There are literally dozens of players who had better NFL careers than several of the players who will be receiving their Hall of Fame busts in 2010.

It is time for the NFL to take a serious look at how players are selected for the Hall of Fame and make some significant changes.

Of course, considering that the NFL is currently struggling on how to divide $5 billion of annual TV revenue without having a work stoppage, I seriously doubt they will be able to reform the Hall of Fame selection process anytime soon.

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http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/class_of_2010.aspx#Jackson

Good for Rickey Jackson and all that, but how does he get in the HOF and Tommy Nobis doesn't.

I really don't get it and it angers me to no end. :angry:

It isn't a requirement that you have to be on a winning team. And the ain'ts were not exactly lighting the

NFL up. His high for tackles was below 75 tackles etc.

Jackson was sort of a hybrid def. end and yet he makes it as a line backer and Tommy Nobis doesn't.

What is going on here?

Tommy Nobis has done as much off the field as he did while playing. The Tommy Nobis Center has helped 100's of underprivleged kids

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Tommy Nobis not being in the Hall of Fame is a complete joke, dude was one of the most feared players he should have been in years ago im hoping and praying for him to get in before he passes on, that would be a **** shame for him not live thru being enshrined

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The HoF is as big a joke as the ProBowl.

Both are total BS in representing the best in the NFL, and are really nothing more than glorified popularity contests.

Nobis and Humphrey are clearly deserving of this honor.

Mike Kenn is another who IMHO should be in the HoF. He was one of the greatest pass blocking LTs in football during his career. His 6 trips to the ProBowl are an affront to his playing ability. I think he was deserving of 9 trips to the ProBowl myself, but like many other Falcons, he played on some really bad teams here. But I still remember late in his career shutting down Lawrence Taylor on pass blitzes when LT was the toast of the NFL.

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Hey, im not sayin Nobis doesnt deserve it, but last time i checked the NFL gods despise us, 4 some ******** reason we have NO HOF's, we have never had b2b playoff appearances(dont give me that B2B winning seasons crap, The ATL & Reg. media will take a **** on us whenever they get a chance. And the ****in Zebras will always, ALWAYS screw us. The only chance we ever had 4 a SB Elway ****in smashed us. im sry if im negative but im PISSED that Nobis didnt get in. I mean how can we not have 1 HOF cept 4 not havin a SB, i mean do the Sucs have any HOF's?

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Hey, im not sayin Nobis doesnt deserve it, but last time i checked the NFL gods despise us, 4 some ******** reason we have NO HOF's, we have never had b2b playoff appearances(dont give me that B2B winning seasons crap, The ATL & Reg. media will take a **** on us whenever they get a chance. And the ****in Zebras will always, ALWAYS screw us. The only chance we ever had 4 a SB Elway ****in smashed us. im sry if im negative but im PISSED that Nobis didnt get in. I mean how can we not have 1 HOF cept 4 not havin a SB, i mean do the Sucs have any HOF's?

Our superbowl is in the making dude, relax, it will happen soon **deep breathes**

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The Only Falcon i have heard mentioned ...ever... is Claude Humphrey, he was like 3 votes short getting in a few yrs ago

Nobis and Humphrey both have the stats and respect of their peers to more than make it into the HOF. Several players said Nobis was equal to, if not better on the field than **** Butkus, but it's not up to the players or the Hall would look completely different than it does today. It's a **** shame the sportswriters are the ones who vote. Because of the Falcons lack of early success and quite a few of the sportswriters having issue with the city & the former owner of the Falcons, we have never received the respect that was needed to have a player voted in. The aints have been the darling of the NFL ever since Katrina happened and they (the NFL) has done everything in their power (and then some) to make sure the fans in the region have something to cheer for.

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The Hall of Fame has still not even voted in one single punter. How can you have a Hall of Fame when you have a position that is not even represented by one person? If the HOF players actually formed a team and played they would not even have a punter. As bad as Tommy Nobis is for Falcons fans, not having Ray Guy in the HOF is a disgrace to pro football. I believe he is the only player on the NFL's 75th Anniversary team not in the HOF.

(He was also an All-American safety his senior year and early on played QB some for the Raiders (mainly served as an emergency QB)).

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The aints have been the darling of the NFL ever since Katrina happened and they (the NFL) has done everything in their power (and then some) to make sure the fans in the region have something to cheer for.

kinda makes ya wonder huh ?????

i would hate to think everything wasnt on the up and up, but things like that and other things make me wonder sometimes....

thats a dif topic all together tho and we may not want to go there anyway lol

there are 4 Falcons atm with HOF numbers

C Humphrey

J Tuggle

T Nobis

and A Rison

i aint even gonna say D Sanders, he wont go in as a Falcon

Prime Time <_<

alot of you are saying Rison ??????

look at his career Numbers pro bowls and he even has a ring

as far as numbers go he makes the best case to be there of the 4.... cluck and duck helped , but he was still a bad man and unless Roddy has yet another good yr in 2010 Rison is the best WR in Falcons History... White again has a big yr in 2010, he will overtake that title..... and may have his own Ideas about who will be the 1st Falcon to go in.....

well if we win a Ring this yr Gonzo may go in as a Falcon, he is such a good guy tho i dont see it , even with a ring he will go in as a Chief to respect his fans there ....

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by the way heres how Rison Stacks up to other HOF guys....

In Comparison to recent Hall of Fame Wide Receivers:

Total Touchdowns, Career:

Andre Rison: 84

Michael Irvin: 65

Total Receptions, Career:

Michael Irvin: 750

Andre Rison: 743

Total Receiving Yards, Career:

Michael Irvin: 11,904

Andre Rison: 10,205

Super Bowl Rings:

Michael Irvin: 3

Andre Rison: 1

James Lofton: 0

Steve Largent: 0

Pro Bowl Appearances:

James Lofton: 8

Steve Largent: 7

Andre Rison: 5 (MVP 1994)

Michael Irvin: 5 (MVP 1992)

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by the way heres how Rison Stacks up to other HOF guys....

In Comparison to recent Hall of Fame Wide Receivers:

Total Touchdowns, Career:

Andre Rison: 84

Michael Irvin: 65

Total Receptions, Career:

Michael Irvin: 750

Andre Rison: 743

Total Receiving Yards, Career:

Michael Irvin: 11,904

Andre Rison: 10,205

Super Bowl Rings:

Michael Irvin: 3

Andre Rison: 1

James Lofton: 0

Steve Largent: 0

Pro Bowl Appearances:

James Lofton: 8

Steve Largent: 7

Andre Rison: 5 (MVP 1994)

Michael Irvin: 5 (MVP 1992)

Soooooo, here we have yet another that is deserving who doesn't even get a sniff at the HOF.

Does the Atl. have to get hit by a major earth quake to get a player in? :ph34r:

Maybe I shouldn't go there cause a player should get in on merit, which is why I brought this up. :rolleyes:

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Irvin is kind of a questionable pick but he was one of the best players on the most dominate team of the 90's so he gets in.

I don't think you do a good enough job promoting Rison

The following players have better career numbers than Rison and are not in the Hall

Cris Carter

Tim Brown

Andre Reed

Keenan McCardell

Rod Smith

Eric Moulds

These players are still active or not eligible yet:

Issac Bruce

Terrell Owens

Randy Moss

Hines Ward

Marvin Harrison

Jimmy Smith

Mushin Muhammad

I'm not saying anyone is more eligible than another I'm saying Rison just wasn't good enough.

And as it has been stated numerous times before: Players don't go into the Football Hall of Fame representing a particular team, they represent themselves and all the teams they played for. In Cooperstown they get to wear the hat of the team they made the biggest impact with. Seeing that Deion announced our pick at the draft its safe to say he has come to terms with his time on the Falcons.

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One more thing:

I think Tuggle is the most deserving Falcon to be in the Hall and he might have the best chance outside Sanders.

He holds the record for most tackles in a decade with 1293 and is somewhere in the top 5 all time depending on where you look it up. Though that stat hasn't been counted by the NFL for very long.

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