What this draft tells me about our team.

[Mr. Hoopah!]

We went into this draft wanting a DE. Coach Smith and Dimitroff were quoted all offseason as saying we needed to upgrade our pass rush. However, we didn't draft a DE. Why? Two possibilities.

1. We trade a 2011 pick for Osi. Could happen, but doubtful. They took JPP, but would likely rather have him learn behind Osi as he's raw. However, Osi wasn't happy before the draft, and is probably very unhappy now. Everyone expected him to get dealt during the draft, so either the rumors were unfounded, or the Giants wanted too much for him. Now, possibility 2 . . .

2. We didn't take a DE because our coaches and front office have faith in our DE's. They knew the problem started in the middle, where we had outstanding play from Babs, but marginal play otherwise. They must feel that with Jerry returning from injury and the addition of Peters, we will get much more disruption up the middle, freeing up our DE's. Which brings me to the DE's themselves. Hopefully Abe can have a rebound season. But past him, we have two very talented DE's in Bierman and Sidbury that this coaching staff obviously has a great deal of faith in. I've been saying it all offseason, but I truly believe Bierman will have a breakout season and be a Kyle Vanden Bosch type player for us. And hopefully Sid will continue to develop and contribute.

So, this is what I take from this draft. Take it as you will.

[Dem Birds]

We like our DE's. TD pretty much said it a few weeks ago that you don't keep drafting the same position before you give your guys a chance to develop. I knew we wouldn't go DE, unless there was some sort of steal available that was too good to pass.

[bossFALCON™]

We didn't take a DE because like a lot on this board said there was a huge dropoff in de talent after the first 2 rounds. TD and co did the smart thing in passing up on the other guys since we couldn't get Graham/Morgan/Hughes/kindle. We didn't need another 3 year developmental guy and that's all that was available

[Optimus*Crimes]

I happen to believe that TD and Smith like the DEs we have. I like 'em.

[Herr Doktor]

Totally agree. Is it me, or is the nut hugging of the Bears and Eagles particularly sickening in this draft coverage? Kiper was about to talk about two of our picks and they blow past him to talk about what the Bears did. Crazy.

[nativefalcon]

I think were fine DEs wise, if you look at Bierman and Kerneys stats, Kerney took off on his 3rd season, hes only had 2.5 sacks his first 2 years, bierman had 5 last year his 2nd year. If Bierman takes off his 3rd year, he will be fine, it all depends on the DTs. Then all that helps Abraham get his numbers back up.

[GuerillaOntology]

We went into this draft wanting a DE. Coach Smith and Dimitroff were quoted all offseason as saying we needed to upgrade our pass rush. However, we didn't draft a DE. Why? Two possibilities.

1. We trade a 2011 pick for Osi. Could happen, but doubtful. They took JPP, but would likely rather have him learn behind Osi as he's raw. However, Osi wasn't happy before the draft, and is probably very unhappy now. Everyone expected him to get dealt during the draft, so either the rumors were unfounded, or the Giants wanted too much for him. Now, possibility 2 . . .

2. We didn't take a DE because our coaches and front office have faith in our DE's. They knew the problem started in the middle, where we had outstanding play from Babs, but marginal play otherwise. They must feel that with Jerry returning from injury and the addition of Peters, we will get much more disruption up the middle, freeing up our DE's. Which brings me to the DE's themselves. Hopefully Abe can have a rebound season. But past him, we have two very talented DE's in Bierman and Sidbury that this coaching staff obviously has a great deal of faith in. I've been saying it all offseason, but I truly believe Bierman will have a breakout season and be a Kyle Vanden Bosch type player for us. And hopefully Sid will continue to develop and contribute.

So, this is what I take from this draft. Take it as you will.

Door No.2, please.

Cheers,

GO

[synaptic apoptosis]

We went into this draft wanting a DE. Coach Smith and Dimitroff were quoted all offseason as saying we needed to upgrade our pass rush. However, we didn't draft a DE. Why? Two possibilities.

1. We trade a 2011 pick for Osi. Could happen, but doubtful. They took JPP, but would likely rather have him learn behind Osi as he's raw. However, Osi wasn't happy before the draft, and is probably very unhappy now. Everyone expected him to get dealt during the draft, so either the rumors were unfounded, or the Giants wanted too much for him. Now, possibility 2 . . .

2. We didn't take a DE because our coaches and front office have faith in our DE's. They knew the problem started in the middle, where we had outstanding play from Babs, but marginal play otherwise. They must feel that with Jerry returning from injury and the addition of Peters, we will get much more disruption up the middle, freeing up our DE's. Which brings me to the DE's themselves. Hopefully Abe can have a rebound season. But past him, we have two very talented DE's in Bierman and Sidbury that this coaching staff obviously has a great deal of faith in. I've been saying it all offseason, but I truly believe Bierman will have a breakout season and be a Kyle Vanden Bosch type player for us. And hopefully Sid will continue to develop and contribute.

So, this is what I take from this draft. Take it as you will.

The staff had faith in the DB's last year and look what happened. They got burned. Come mid season, baring a DE signing, everyone will be moaning about not taking a DE in the draft. Mark my words, they will regret it if they don't address DE.

[jidady]

The other aspect to consider about DEs is that the ones we liked were mostly gone before our pick at #19. This is an indictment of the ones that were in the third tier and beyond. We didn't like any of them more than what we had. There might have been someone who we liked in the middle of the second round, and that's why we were trying to trade up. I'm not even sure about that, though. Carlos Dunlap is the only one who went in the second half of round two. It's possible we liked Alex Carrington and that's who we were targeting but given that he only went 11 picks ahead of us, I doubt that. We could have easily made that jump if we liked him a lot. I strongly suspect that when Graham and Morgan went 13/16, our plans for a DE were tossed out.

I sure would have liked us to have George Selvie as a late round flier, though.

[Mr. Hoopah!]

I think were fine DEs wise, if you look at Bierman and Kerneys stats, Kerney took off on his 3rd season, hes only had 2.5 sacks his first 2 years, bierman had 5 last year his 2nd year. If Bierman takes off his 3rd year, he will be fine, it all depends on the DTs. Then all that helps Abraham get his numbers back up.

I completely forgot about Kerney. I'd be ecstatic if Bierman could develop into a Kerney-type player for us as well. Production wise, not flapping his arms like an autistic whooping crane after every play.

[Norwood all the way!]

just because we didnt pick up a DE doesnt mean we didnt improve or at least address the pass rush....

[Robb4242]

I happen to believe that TD and Smith like the DEs we have. I like 'em.

They said that several times. People heard we needed to improve the pass rush, but didn't listen to the rest of the sentence where they all said "with a better push in the middle of the DL". They said numerous times that they were satisfied with the ends.

[nativefalcon]

I completely forgot about Kerney. I'd be ecstatic if Bierman could develop into a Kerney-type player for us as well. Production wise, not flapping his arms like an autistic whooping crane after every play.

:P

[Drathdon]

<<The staff had faith in the DB's last year and look what happened.>>

I think you are confusing "had faith" with ran out of options and fell to their knees begging "Please, God! Please, God! Please, God!"

[Smiler11]

The other aspect to consider about DEs is that the ones we liked were mostly gone before our pick at #19. This is an indictment of the ones that were in the third tier and beyond. We didn't like any of them more than what we had. There might have been someone who we liked in the middle of the second round, and that's why we were trying to trade up. I'm not even sure about that, though. Carlos Dunlap is the only one who went in the second half of round two. It's possible we liked Alex Carrington and that's who we were targeting but given that he only went 11 picks ahead of us, I doubt that. We could have easily made that jump if we liked him a lot. I strongly suspect that when Graham and Morgan went 13/16, our plans for a DE were tossed out.

I sure would have liked us to have George Selvie as a late round flier, though.

George Selvie hasn't been picked yet, so we could still pick him up as an UDFA.

[JayOzOne]

Between signing D. Robinson, getting a healthy W. Moore, an OLB capable of dropping into coverage, and the added heft in the middle, I'd be shocked if our edge does not benefit greatly this year.

[hodgec2]

We went into this draft wanting a DE. Coach Smith and Dimitroff were quoted all offseason as saying we needed to upgrade our pass rush. However, we didn't draft a DE. Why? Two possibilities.

1. We trade a 2011 pick for Osi. Could happen, but doubtful. They took JPP, but would likely rather have him learn behind Osi as he's raw. However, Osi wasn't happy before the draft, and is probably very unhappy now. Everyone expected him to get dealt during the draft, so either the rumors were unfounded, or the Giants wanted too much for him. Now, possibility 2 . . .

2. We didn't take a DE because our coaches and front office have faith in our DE's. They knew the problem started in the middle, where we had outstanding play from Babs, but marginal play otherwise. They must feel that with Jerry returning from injury and the addition of Peters, we will get much more disruption up the middle, freeing up our DE's. Which brings me to the DE's themselves. Hopefully Abe can have a rebound season. But past him, we have two very talented DE's in Bierman and Sidbury that this coaching staff obviously has a great deal of faith in. I've been saying it all offseason, but I truly believe Bierman will have a breakout season and be a Kyle Vanden Bosch type player for us. And hopefully Sid will continue to develop and contribute.

So, this is what I take from this draft. Take it as you will.

I think your second option is the correct one. My only feeling is to take a chance late on a character guy like Hardy. That's it. I believe this year Bierman will take a huge step forward, Abe will be somewhere between last year and 2008, and Sidbury will have the impact that Bierman had last year. If all works out in 2011 the starting DE's will be Sidbury and Bierman.

[Dem Birds]

We didn't take a DE because like a lot on this board said there was a huge dropoff in de talent after the first 2 rounds. TD and co did the smart thing in passing up on the other guys since we couldn't get Graham/Morgan/Hughes/kindle. We didn't need another 3 year developmental guy and that's all that was available

You mean Griffen and Hardy LAAATE in the draft wouldn't be good moves if you wanted a DE? I disagree. Both have issues, but if you actually want a DE, you'd take one there. Maybe they liked Morgan and Graham but Spoon was always their guy.

[autigerfan]

Totally agree. Is it me, or is the nut hugging of the Bears and Eagles particularly sickening in this draft coverage? Kiper was about to talk about two of our picks and they blow past him to talk about what the Bears did. Crazy.

I agree. I don't think the Bears had the most productive draft. They did get Wooten a round or two later than he was projected but they still have a massive hole on their offensive line.

[jidady]

George Selvie hasn't been picked yet, so we could still pick him up as an UDFA.

Yeah, I've been tracking that but even if he doesn't get drafted, we never seem to bring in the UDFAs I like, which isn't a complaint, just the way it has worked out.

[Mr. Hoopah!]

Hardy went in the 6th to Carolina. I'll be interested in taking a look at Selvie if no one picks him up in the end of the 7th. He was considered a first round prospect at one point, but fell off the radar last season.

[caver50]

They said that several times. People heard we needed to improve the pass rush, but didn't listen to the rest of the sentence where they all said "with a better push in the middle of the DL". They said numerous times that they were satisfied with the ends.

Exactly, some people just hear what they want to hear.

[jidady]

And there he went to the Rams, who can line him up next to Suh. That gives him a better chance to succeed than he would have in most places.

[john_winger]

Door No.2, please.

Cheers,

GO

+1

[john_winger]

I completely forgot about Kerney. I'd be ecstatic if Bierman could develop into a Kerney-type player for us as well. Production wise, not flapping his arms like an autistic whooping crane after every play.

Ok, that was funny, but he produced year after year for us, except the one where he was hurt. I'd have loved to keep him one more year, but he was asking too much.