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The Falcon Jedi

Roethlisburger will not be charged

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You do realize that Holmes has been suspended for the first 4 games of the 2010 season, he's in his last year of his rookie contract AND he's had laundry list of legal and substance abuse problems. The Steelers did well to get a 5th rounder for a guy that MAY play next year. You can cry racism all you want but I know the Steelers GM and he's not a racist and neither is anyone in his family.

In no way shape or form can I see ANYTHING racist in the Steelers dumping Holmes. His conduct off the field makes him a headache for any team.

If the Steelers organization was racist, would they have a black head coach?

Really?

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Again. Did you even read the original post I replied to?

Vick was cleard of the water bottle/pot problem at the airport. Everyone here pronounced him innocent. If Vick was innocent, Ben is innocent. Apply the same principles to everyone.

This guy was implying that Vick after his airport incident was cleared and considered innocent by this message board - so also Ben should be declared innocent after he was cleared. My response was Ben has now been 2 times charged with rape - somehow principle need to be questioned. Repeat offender is a repeat offender.

I was replying to the original posters "Vick Water Bottle" comment -- sorry I didn't add in the rest of his issues that happened afterwards as I was replied only to the "Vick Water Bottle" comment. The rest of his stuff wasn't relevant to the post I was responding to as it wasn't mentioned by the original poster. To me Vick is a dead issue as far as the Falcons go - but seriously 2 rape allegations within 8 months? And if there is another and it gets conveniently swept away then what?

So let me get this straight.

1 allegation - ok

2 allegations - guilty

What happened to due process and waiting for the facts to come out (same argument used to defend Vick's actions in 2007)?

Again, my point is about how this message board reacts, not about Vick himself.

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In no way shape or form can I see ANYTHING racist in the Steelers dumping Holmes. His conduct off the field makes him a headache for any team.

If the Steelers organization was racist, would they have a black head coach?

Really?

That's what Jedi seems to think..

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So let me get this straight.

1 allegation - ok

2 allegations - guilty

What happened to due process and waiting for the facts to come out (same argument used to defend Vick's actions in 2007)?

Again, my point is about how this message board reacts, not about Vick himself.

I believe in due process but still the fact is twice now with similar actions and allegations. Still makes one regardless go hmmmm? Regardless I was just replying to another poster with my opinion on the matter - sorry my opinion offends you.

Anyhow shouldn't this thread be moved? TATF! -- Lol!

I still like ya Rev - you are one of the class acts here.

SA-Weet! It did get moved!

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He failed his pot drug test after being arrested. No pattern?

And before everyone explodes on me, I'm all for Vick getting his second chance, and it seems like he is flying straight now. My issue is with this message board. If Vick was not charged and it was ok, then the same needs to be applied to Big Ben. That's all I'm saying.

Let's talk pattern. This is the 2nd incident involving Molestburger in recent history.

Personally, I don't think very highly of either athlete. Both are substandard human

beings who as pampered athletes, think the're above accepted social behavior.

As far as one is convicted, one's not - As someone has already mentioned, "Where

ehere's smoke there's fire"

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Let's talk pattern. This is the 2nd incident involving Molestburger in recent history.

Personally, I don't think very highly of either athlete. Both are substandard human

beings who as pampered athletes, think the're above accepted social behavior.

As far as one is convicted, one's not - As someone has already mentioned, "Where

ehere's smoke there's fire"

I think you are right about this but just for fun let's ask the question:

Are there two women in the United States who might try to take advantage of his

fame, who weren't really offended by him and his advances but are now claiming

to be because they need a little folding money?

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SMH at the Vick mentioning in this thread. let that man go please . Now this is crazy . This dude has been alleged twice in less than 2 years. Goddell needs to suspend this dude for at least 4 games. I have been with plenty of ladies over my time and never been bought on charges of sexual assault. If it was 1 he gets the ok pass but two , come on son. What a creep. I wonder will people protest at his games from now on

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SMH at the Vick mentioning in this thread. let that man go please . Now this is crazy . This dude has been alleged twice in less than 2 years. Goddell needs to suspend this dude for at least 4 games. I have been with plenty of ladies over my time and never been bought on charges of sexual assault. If it was 1 he gets the ok pass but two , come on son. What a creep. I wonder will people protest at his games from now on

And you aren't worth $50 million and are not known to almost everyone in the United States...not to mention you haven't won any SuperBowls. Not to mention that BigBen has never "been bought (sic) on charges of sexual assualt" in his life. He has some low life out in Nevada bring a civil suit(please try to understand the difference) because the authorities thought the case was a joke. Now, in Georgia the legal authorities have looked at the evidence and declined to file criminal charges of sexual assualt. So the man is innocent. He is guilty of trying to get a little snatch in a bar in Millegeville, GA. If this is a criminal offense I'm afraid most of us would be in jail....LMAO at the hate for Big Ben.

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And you aren't worth $50 million and are not known to almost everyone in the United States...not to mention you haven't won any SuperBowls. Not to mention that BigBen has never "been bought (sic) on charges of sexual assualt" in his life. He has some low life out in Nevada bring a civil suit(please try to understand the difference) because the authorities thought the case was a joke. Now, in Georgia the legal authorities have looked at the evidence and declined to file criminal charges of sexual assualt. So the man is innocent. He is guilty of trying to get a little snatch in a bar in Millegeville, GA. If this is a criminal offense I'm afraid most of us would be in jail....LMAO at the hate for Big Ben.

Whatever. There are plenty of stars out there tricking and don't get these type of claims. I hope you are so understanding if it was your mom, sister or anybody in your family. Take the trim is never cool. -_-

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Whatever. There are plenty of stars out there tricking and don't get these type of claims. I hope you are so understanding if it was your mom, sister or anybody in your family. Take the trim is never cool. -_-

So I take it you would be first in line to sign the petition against any NFL, NBA or MLB stars going "clubbin'" and tricking. Its funny how everybody is acting like Big Ben is the first pro athlete to hang out in clubs looking for a good time with the ladies. LMAO at the hypocrisy. One more time.....he has never been charged criminally with sexual assault.

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And you aren't worth $50 million and are not known to almost everyone in the United States...not to mention you haven't won any SuperBowls. Not to mention that BigBen has never "been bought (sic) on charges of sexual assualt" in his life. He has some low life out in Nevada bring a civil suit(please try to understand the difference) because the authorities thought the case was a joke. Now, in Georgia the legal authorities have looked at the evidence and declined to file criminal charges of sexual assualt. So the man is innocent. He is guilty of trying to get a little snatch in a bar in Millegeville, GA. If this is a criminal offense I'm afraid most of us would be in jail....LMAO at the hate for Big Ben.

So the girl is why Ben's friend were blocking the door?

The girl is why her friend was so worried about her that she went to the bartender and complained that they wouldn't let her back there?

The girl is why they found semen (I guess she overpowered him)?

I guess it's the girl's fault she got injured too?

And I'm sure she had a hand in the nighclub tape being "destroyed".

Yeah, those sneaky women :rolleyes:

Some of you really have to use some convoluted logic to defend Ben here.

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Let's say it one more time together: Big Ben has never been arrested or criminally charged with sexual assualt. Just like most other twenty-something single males he enjoys going out on the town and looking to see what females he can hook up with. When on earth did this become a crime or a violation of league policy or some great moral perversion?

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Let's say it one more time together: Big Ben has never been arrested or criminally charged with sexual assualt. Just like most other twenty-something single males he enjoys going out on the town and looking to see what females he can hook up with. When on earth did this become a crime or a violation of league policy or some great moral perversion?

So because he wasn't arrested he did nothing wrong?

:lol:

Well, it's obvious that he tried, and it seems like he and his "crew" have it down to a science.

So it ain't the first time.

And if you think that date rape is OK, what else can I say?

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I love it when threads take a turn for the worst and it invokes some of the worst racial arguments in human history :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

It is racial, Vick had protesters for something as dumb as dogs but big ben the white boy is a rapist and no one cares. where are all the womens rights groups? This is why the Black community was pulling the race card after the Vick incident towards the people who were protesting and stuff.

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Interesting.

Boston Lawyer Says Another Woman Made Claims About Ben Roethlisberger

ThePittsburghChannel.Com

updated 9:47 p.m. ET, Tues., April 13, 2010

THE PITTSBURGH CHANNEL.com

A lawyer says he had a client with allegations against Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, separate from the recent criminal investigation involving claims made by a young college student in Milledgeville, Ga.

"Six months ago, I was retained by a client of mine and a close friend to investigate allegations against Ben Roethlisberger in a Las Vegas nightclub that were absolutely identical to this Georgia girl's story," Harry Manion said Tuesday

No charges were ever filed, and there is no proof Roethlisberger was ever involved in such an incident.

Manion told the radio station that his client eventually decided not to proceed with any action.

A call from WTAE Channel 4 Action News to Manion for comment has not been returned.

In the Georgia case, Roethlisberger's 20-year-old accuser told police that the football star sexually assaulted her early on the morning of March 5 at the Capital City nightclub. District Attorney Fred Bright said Monday that

the investigation is complete and no charges will be filed.

Roethlisberger is defending himself against separate claims made in a lawsuit by Andrea McNulty, who says he forced sex on her in 2008 in his penthouse suite at Harrah's Lake Tahoe hotel and casino, where she was working at the time. No criminal charges were filed and

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It is racial, Vick had protesters for something as dumb as dogs but big ben the white boy is a rapist and no one cares. where are all the womens rights groups? This is why the Black community was pulling the race card after the Vick incident towards the people who were protesting and stuff.

Alleged brotha...alleged.

I feel you though, which was always my biggest gripe about doggate...I love dogs but the outrage over that, and the seemingly apathetic attitude to vehicular manslaughter, DUIs, domestic abuse, sexual assault, etc. is mind-boggling to me.

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Let's say it one more time together: Big Ben has never been arrested or criminally charged with sexual assualt. Just like most other twenty-something single males he enjoys going out on the town and looking to see what females he can hook up with. When on earth did this become a crime or a violation of league policy or some great moral perversion?

Everything we've heard the last couple of years since the new conduct policy was put into place though was that just because someone avoided criminal charges, etc. did not mean that they were not in violation of the code of conduct. It was vague, and it was one of the many reasons I didn't like it. That said, it's what Goodell put in place and just b/c the DA said there was not enough to bring a case and get a likely conviction based on the beyond a reasonable doubt standard (good for him for not wasting time) in no way means Ben is off the hook. From the way the DA talked, it seemed clear he thought something shady took place. Not to mention the alleged victim was under 21...if Ben was involved with buying her drinks...while not the bartender he was contributing. Is it "fair"? Maybe not, but like I said under the policy Goodell put forward...no way should Ben just be off the hook with other punishments he's laid down and WHEN he laid them down.

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Alleged brotha...alleged.

I feel you though, which was always my biggest gripe about doggate...I love dogs but the outrage over that, and the seemingly apathetic attitude to vehicular manslaughter, DUIs, domestic abuse, sexual assault, etc. is mind-boggling to me.

The reaction to "doggate" was not so much racial as it was about the abuse of animals. A good friend of mine has been a producer for one of the local TV news investigative reporters for thirty years. They did an undercover story on a dog kennel where there was a great deal of animal abuse. He told me that this story received, by far, the most outrage, e-mails and correspondence of any story he had done in thirty years. Don't mess with the dogs. Comparing the Vick story to Big Ben's situation is like comparing apples and oranges. Big Ben has never been arrested or charged with criminal conduct. Vick was convicted of a federal felony. Big difference.

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The reaction to "doggate" was not so much racial as it was about the abuse of animals. A good friend of mine has been a producer for one of the local TV news investigative reporters for thirty years. They did an undercover story on a dog kennel where there was a great deal of animal abuse. He told me that this story received, by far, the most outrage, e-mails and correspondence of any story he had done in thirty years. Don't mess with the dogs. Comparing the Vick story to Big Ben's situation is like comparing apples and oranges. Big Ben has never been arrested or charged with criminal conduct. Vick was convicted of a federal felony. Big difference.

Not even going into the racial aspect (b/c to say that race wasn't a factor in all that is...lets just say I disagree), it doesn't matter WHY it was a bigger issue than all that I listed...the fact that it is (or seemingly was in the court of public opinion)is still asinine.

Like I said, the conduct policy that Goodell installed doesn't mean avoiding convictions absolves you from punishment in the league.

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It is racial, Vick had protesters for something as dumb as dogs but big ben the white boy is a rapist and no one cares. where are all the womens rights groups? This is why the Black community was pulling the race card after the Vick incident towards the people who were protesting and stuff.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

You'll never get it...Dogs and children will always be held in a different regard to other people....if one person blew up a daycare it would hold bigger attention than if they blew up a night club....just the way it is

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:lol::lol::lol::lol:

You'll never get it...Dogs and children will always be held in a different regard to other people....if one person blew up a daycare it would hold bigger attention than if they blew up a night club....just the way it is

Personally I think Ben is a grade A #####, and a time bomb waiting to explode, however, you do get it.

The reason being is that even when a woman is actually raped, half the people blame the victim, saying she was asking for it, saying she was after money, bringing up her entire history of sexual partners and actions.

No one is ever going to say a dog or a child is at fault, well, because they are not.

For the record, I will be the loudest partier when Ben's luck runs out. Until then, he really has nothing to do with Vick.

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Michael Smith (ESPN) was on 790 today and he brought out a good distinction. While, Roethlisberger had the civil case in Reno and this...he has yet to be CHARGED criminally. Unlike, Pac-Man, Vick, Tank Johnson, Matt Jones, etc.

While I think the conduct policy does overreach and is too ambiguous with what is a punishable offense (not to mention the fact that someone merely being charged and not convicted should not lead to punishment) that is a key distinction that I didn't really think about.

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Michael Smith (ESPN) was on 790 today and he brought out a good distinction. While, Roethlisberger had the civil case in Reno and this...he has yet to be CHARGED criminally. Unlike, Pac-Man, Vick, Tank Johnson, Matt Jones, etc.

While I think the conduct policy does overreach and is too ambiguous with what is a punishable offense (not to mention the fact that someone merely being charged and not convicted should not lead to punishment) that is a key distinction that I didn't really think about.

I made the same point in post #39 on this thread......Big Ben has never even been arrested, while all of the others have been both arrested, charged and convicted of criminal wrongdoing at some point. I simply don't understand why people can't understand this pretty significant distinction.

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