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As per Blacksburg Hokie's info, it would in no way cripple us. Talking about the cap just seems ridiculous, as I'm far from convinced the cap will come back, and even if it does, it almost never seemed to stop teams before. How many times did you see a team that couldn't add quality players because they didn't have cap space?

Haynesworth is still a monster, even if he is lazy. I would take him all day. Unlike Jerry, he can actually stand up to double teams, and play the run head on.

There is every chance that the cap will be back, because the owners will lcok the players out to get it back. Besides, free agency has been very quiet this year. Uncapped free agency hasnlt exactly been been the financial bonanza that uninformed fans predicted. If anything, teams have used the uncaped year to reduce spending and take advantage of the fact that there is no salary floor.

As for the cap not stopping teams before, that is simply untrue. Plenty of teams have gone trhough "cap ****". The 9ers in 2000, had to fill out a large part of their roster with minimum salary players beacuse they couldn't afford to spend any more. I rememebr them losing a long snapper to freeagency because the couldn't afford to pay him an extra $100k to match another team's offer.

The Jaguars went through it in 2001, and relied on the Texans taking several of their very best players to stay under the cap in 2002. They published as series of articles on their website about it 4 or 5 years ago,sayign how their FO had completely revamped its approach to cap amangeement as a result.

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2009/12/22/1213139/recounting-the-decade-the-jaguars

Why do you think the 2002 Raiders (who were due to be $50m over the cap the follwing year) fell apart? They had to decmate much of their roster to get under the cap, and also found themselves lumbered with a number of over paid and underproducing players who could be released for cap reasons. As a result they went from AFC Champs to 4-12 in 1 year.

It's well docuemnted that the Titans went through cap **** it in 2004/5. They had to cut 3 pro-bowlers and several other starters to stay within the cap for the 2005 season.

http://a.espncdn.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1572112.html

Why do you think that the Redskins won anything over the last 10 years? The answer is beacsue they invest too much in a handful of start player and have blown too many draft picks on trades for expensive veterans. They then have to surround their overpaid elite players with trash because of the restraints of the cap. The end result for the last 10 years are rosters that that have lacked the overall talent or depth to be succesful.

The constraints of the salary cap also explain whey the safety and O-line positions were ignored by our front office for the first part of the decade, despite the fact that we were clearly in need of talent in both areas. Rich McKay inheritted a salary cap mess and actually did a decent job of managing it: we were the classic example of a team with more needs than it had the cap space and draft picks to fill.

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Yup. This is the dude that stepped, no stomped, on that guys face, right? I think he'd be happier here, cause the Skins suck, but would Atlanta be happier w/him. Considering all the money/attitude baggage... I'll pass.

He looks constipated in this picture. Acually the skins were trying to trade him before his 21M roster bonus kicked in on 3-31. They will propbably keep him for now. What a stupid contract. Almost as bad as vicks.

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So... Haynesworth is worth less than a 2nd and a conditional midround pick.

Is it a terrible idea? Well, yeah. But do you want to briefly think about trading a midround pick for the 2007-2008 Haynesworth?

Nobody wants to take on that contract.

Shanahan is not playing around though.

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We have 10 starters eligible tobe UFA's in the next 2 years (12 if youinclude grimes and Koenan). We need all the future cap room we can get and Haynesworth's contract would cripple us financially.

how does 5.6 mil in 2010 and 3.4 mil the next year cripple us? you cant be serious. you talk out of your *** more than anyone else here on this board and you know jack about football. lets get real.

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There is every chance that the cap will be back, because the owners will lcok the players out to get it back. Besides, free agency has been very quiet this year. Uncapped free agency hasnlt exactly been been the financial bonanza that uninformed fans predicted. If anything, teams have used the uncaped year to reduce spending and take advantage of the fact that there is no salary floor.

As for the cap not stopping teams before, that is simply untrue. Plenty of teams have gone trhough "cap ****". The 9ers in 2000, had to fill out a large part of their roster with minimum salary players beacuse they couldn't afford to spend any more. I rememebr them losing a long snapper to freeagency because the couldn't afford to pay him an extra $100k to match another team's offer.

The Jaguars went through it in 2001, and relied on the Texans taking several of their very best players to stay under the cap in 2002. They published as series of articles on their website about it 4 or 5 years ago,sayign how their FO had completely revamped its approach to cap amangeement as a result.

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2009/12/22/1213139/recounting-the-decade-the-jaguars

Why do you think the 2002 Raiders (who were due to be $50m over the cap the follwing year) fell apart? They had to decmate much of their roster to get under the cap, and also found themselves lumbered with a number of over paid and underproducing players who could be released for cap reasons. As a result they went from AFC Champs to 4-12 in 1 year.

It's well docuemnted that the Titans went through cap **** it in 2004/5. They had to cut 3 pro-bowlers and several other starters to stay within the cap for the 2005 season.

http://a.espncdn.com/nfl/columns/clayton_john/1572112.html

Why do you think that the Redskins won anything over the last 10 years? The answer is beacsue they invest too much in a handful of start player and have blown too many draft picks on trades for expensive veterans. They then have to surround their overpaid elite players with trash because of the restraints of the cap. The end result for the last 10 years are rosters that that have lacked the overall talent or depth to be succesful.

The constraints of the salary cap also explain whey the safety and O-line positions were ignored by our front office for the first part of the decade, despite the fact that we were clearly in need of talent in both areas. Rich McKay inheritted a salary cap mess and actually did a decent job of managing it: we were the classic example of a team with more needs than it had the cap space and draft picks to fill.

Dude you are too worried about the cap, we will be able to resign our players, and you keep forgetting that players will be coming off the books when we are going to need to add players. I dont know why you keep brining that into play when it comes to signing a FA. WE dont make this move for other reasons bnot budecaue of the cap

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Not in our Locker Room, no how...no way. His contract isn't ridiculous as has been pointed out, but that still doesn't change the fact that we have Babs deal and Jerry's 1st round deal wrapped up at the DT position. This would totally go against what TD has been telling us is his philosophy since he got here, build through the draft, and supplement needs with FA's.

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Haynesworth would improve our pass rush more than anyone we can get in the first. It would be a steal to get him for a 2nd round pick(which we don't have currently). Half the prospects taken never even make it as starters and here you can get a pro bowl DT with a reasonable contract(see earlier posts).

He would give us the big body NT we need, he commands double teams on every play. Babs may be suspended, Jerry is coming off an injury and may need another year to be at full strength. I also think that many posters are point blank underestimating how good Haynesworth is. The man is a monster and would be a HUGE pick up. I just hope a team like the Saints, who can't sign any big FA but are allowed to trade, don't wind up with him.

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The skins and AH restructured his contract 2 weeks ago. He has a provison allowing him to void to 2011-2014 seasons if he repays $16.8m of the $21m bonus he's just received. If he can find a new team that would guarantee him the $16.8 million he'd have to pay back, he could be gone after 12 months.

Aside from tha fact he's lazy and has character issues, basically, he's could be just a 1 year rental if we make the trade.

No thanks.

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