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The biggest problem to changing from a 4-3 to 3-4 is the personnel, but if you think about it, it's very possible for us to make the switch.

In a 3-4 these would be our starters.

LDE - Jamaal Anderson - Not a pass rusher but a good runstopper, he's a prototypical 3-4 DE.

NT - This would be a draft need or a FA need. Casey Hampton, Gabe Watson?

RDE - This might also be a problem, but perhaps Jerry could fill this role?

OLB - Abraham - He doesn't like the 3-4 and he's not a good OLB, but with 3.5 sacks this season, putting him at OLB shouldn't be too big of a problem.

MLB - Lofton

MLB - Nicholas (or if we can sign Howard or Morrison).

OLB - Sidbury/Biermann During the draft, Sidbury was said to be able to play OLB too. Biermann was an OLB for Montana so it shouldn't be too hard for him.

So really, we only have 1 position that needs to be filled - NT. Furthermore, the knock on Sidbury is that he can't play the run. But in a 3-4, there is much more room for pass rush specialists, and Sidbury can be better utilized.

What do you guys think?

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The biggest problem to changing from a 4-3 to 3-4 is the personnel, but if you think about it, it's very possible for us to make the switch.

In a 3-4 these would be our starters.

LDE - Jamaal Anderson - Not a pass rusher but a good runstopper, he's a prototypical 3-4 DE.

NT - This would be a draft need or a FA need. Casey Hampton, Gabe Watson?

RDE - This might also be a problem, but perhaps Jerry could fill this role?

OLB - Abraham - He doesn't like the 3-4 and he's not a good OLB, but with 3.5 sacks this season, putting him at OLB shouldn't be too big of a problem.

MLB - Lofton

MLB - Nicholas (or if we can sign Howard or Morrison).

OLB - Sidbury/Biermann During the draft, Sidbury was said to be able to play OLB too. Biermann was an OLB for Montana so it shouldn't be too hard for him.

So really, we only have 1 position that needs to be filled - NT. Furthermore, the knock on Sidbury is that he can't play the run. But in a 3-4, there is much more room for pass rush specialists, and Sidbury can be better utilized.

What do you guys think?

This is a pretty bad idea, we have NOBODY that is fit for that scheme. You need to have two VERY athletic middle linebackers that not only can stop the run but also pass defend. Your outside linebackers must be great pass rushers and fast as well. The 3 defensive lineman all need to be over 325 pounds or so, it wouldn't work with what we have right now

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This is a pretty bad idea, we have NOBODY that is fit for that scheme. You need to have two VERY athletic middle linebackers that not only can stop the run but also pass defend. Your outside linebackers must be great pass rushers and fast as well. The 3 defensive lineman all need to be over 325 pounds or so, it wouldn't work with what we have right now

No you dont.. More athletic LBS in 4/3 cause they have to focus equally on passing and running..while in the 3/4 scheme a MLB main

job is to point of attack in stopping the run.

Lofton will shine in the 3/4

Now he getting abused in the passing game cause teams are taking advantage he is not as fast as some of backs out of backfield

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No you dont.. More athletic LBS in 4/3 cause they have to focus equally on passing and running..while in the 3/4 scheme a MLB main

job is to point of attack in stopping the run.

Lofton will shine in the 3/4

Now he getting abused in the passing game cause teams are taking advantage he is not as fast as some of backs out of backfield

That's fair, but we need 2 speedy pass rushing linebackers in order to make it truly successful.

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This is a pretty bad idea, we have NOBODY that is fit for that scheme. You need to have two VERY athletic middle linebackers that not only can stop the run but also pass defend. Your outside linebackers must be great pass rushers and fast as well. The 3 defensive lineman all need to be over 325 pounds or so, it wouldn't work with what we have right now

did you even read the post?

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that way we can have JA55 back in coverage more, which they like to do now. <_< smitty is a 4-3 guy and i feel that unless we get a DC in here with a proven 3-4 scheme we will stay that way. i am a fan of the 3-4 but we cant get pressure with 4 DLs we have much less if there were 3 with the occasional OLB blitz, but i do believe something needs to be done, and i feel Mike Smith will address that in the offseason. If we draft Mt Cody though, you can bet that is the direction we will be going.

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3-4 man checking in here.

Most of the Champs in the 2000s ran a 3-4.

QBs hate it.

We will see one Sunday. One of the best in the league.

Ran by one of the best DCs(now coach) of it in its history. That's what we will need to do it, an epically good DC. On the flipside, U need an epically good DC to be a great 43 team as well.

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I think from a personnel perspective, we're not as far off as many here think. Peterson would be very good inside as a 34 ILB (very similar to the effect Brooking has had in Dallas) and Lofton would indeed shine.

OLB would be changed up. Beirmann and Sidbury would be the likely fits, but we'd need depth (can Abe make the transition this late in his career?).

JA98 is a prototypical 34 end (7 technique)and this would probably help justify his draft status a bit. Personally, I think he would shine in this scheme.

I'm not sure we have the right kind of NT, though Lewis might do well (even though he's probably more suited for the 5 technique tackle). Vance Walker might be an answer to the nose (at least depth wise).

I think Jerry could play the "5" as well.

Again, we're not too far away personnel wise. We'd proabably have to surrender some players, like Babs and Abe (both of whom were thought of as our most valuable defensive players last year). But with the year Abe's had, and with Babs brush with the law, we might just be willing to part ways with each.

Now, with all of this said, the real sticking point is not personnel, it's coaching. We don't really have defensive coaches who are very versed in the 34.

But then again, many here would question how well BVG is at the 43 :lol: .

But since Smitty is a strong believer in letting his coordinators coordinate (he's pretty hands-off in this regard) it wouldn't shock me if we brought in a 34 coach if we decided to release BVG.

And don't forget, TD has much experience scouting for a cover-2 team which employs a 34 alignment. He would be extremely familiar with this set up.

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LDE - Babineaux/Busterson

NT - ????

RDE - Jerry

RushLB - Abraham/BeerMan

WLB - Nicholas

RILB - Lofton

LILB - Peterson

LCB - Williams

FS - DeCoud

SS - Coleman/Moore

RCB - ?????

Bring in a NT, a cover corner and a Glanville/Wade Phillips type 3-4 DC and it's on.

NT

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Cut ..Anderson

Sign Richard Seymour in FA to DE

DE ...BABS/Jerry split time

Dangle John Abraham as trade bait maybe for a 3rd round pick..

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Cut ..Anderson

Sign Richard Seymour in FA to DE

DE ...BABS/Jerry split time

Dangle John Abraham as trade bait maybe for a 3rd round pick..

Cut Anderson? Sorry, but I totally disagree. He was made for the 34. Plus, he still very, very young.

You'd want to cut a player who would be perfect for this scheme in favor of an aged vet who's on the last years of his career?

Now, I wouldn't be opposed to signing Seymore to tutor Anderson. But Anderson is and has always been the proto 7 technique player. We've just been trying to fit him in a 43.

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The biggest problem to changing from a 4-3 to 3-4 is the personnel, but if you think about it, it's very possible for us to make the switch.

In a 3-4 these would be our starters.

LDE - Jamaal Anderson - Not a pass rusher but a good runstopper, he's a prototypical 3-4 DE.

NT - This would be a draft need or a FA need. Casey Hampton, Gabe Watson?

RDE - This might also be a problem, but perhaps Jerry could fill this role?

OLB - Abraham - He doesn't like the 3-4 and he's not a good OLB, but with 3.5 sacks this season, putting him at OLB shouldn't be too big of a problem.

MLB - Lofton

MLB - Nicholas (or if we can sign Howard or Morrison).

OLB - Sidbury/Biermann During the draft, Sidbury was said to be able to play OLB too. Biermann was an OLB for Montana so it shouldn't be too hard for him.

So really, we only have 1 position that needs to be filled - NT. Furthermore, the knock on Sidbury is that he can't play the run. But in a 3-4, there is much more room for pass rush specialists, and Sidbury can be better utilized.

What do you guys think?

I like the 3 - 4. I think it's a better defensive alignment, but it is harder to play properly. Here is my two cents worth.

JA98 sucks period. Don't look at his stats or any of that garbage. Just watch his form on every play. He is slow, stands up, has no bull rush, lets Olinemen get inside of his hands, dosent fight for position and has terrible leverage. He would be less efffective in a 3 - 4 than a 4 - 3.

NT - We don't have one. This guy HAS to eat two blocks every play. He is probably the most important piece of a 3 - 4.

DE#1 - Jerry or Babs might fit in here. You need speed and athletism here and not so much size. This guy needs to be able to stunt and get a good push inside.

DE#2 - Beirman would fit this position nicely

OLB #1 - Nicholas would probably be a good fit. OLB in a 3 - 4 must be able to cover in pass coverage. Unlike a 4 - 3 the 3 - 4 LB's usually have pass coverage asignments.

OLB #2 - Don't have one. Abe could not play this position. Peterson, maybe for a while but I don't think he would work as more than a back-up.

ILB#1 - Lofton would rule!!

ILB#2 - Don't have one.

CB#1 - In a 3 - 4 your #1 corner has to be able to cover man-to-man, everyplay. This guy is left on an island a lot. We do not have one.

CB#2 - Lot's of man to man. Again, don't have one.

FS - Has to be a ball hawk. Must get to the open man on blitz or rush packages and must be able to recover well. DeCoud maybe. Hasnt been tested enough.

SS - Has got to be able to blitz AND cover the #3 receiver in man-to-man. We don't have anyone that can do that. Moore maybe, but he hasnt played.

To run a 3 - 4 you are looking at 7 or 8 needs just to be able to run it functionally. Don't see it happening.

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I disagree Schwarzenegger..

Peterson/Lofton would be perfect fit for inside LBS..

Nicholos as OLB...SIDBURY use as RUSH LB a position he is destined for. He would be like our DeMarcus Ware

Richard Seymour in Free agency

Terrence Cody as NT ..

Move Coleman back to FS

Move Decoud to SS

and you can even get Moore on field as a extra thin LB ..

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Ran by one of the best DCs(now coach) of it in its history. That's what we will need to do it, an epically good DC. On the flipside, U need an epically good DC to be a great 43 team as well.

I just can't get past the idea of Doug Plank.

He's coaching the secondary up there in NY under Ryan. Plus, he played in the 46 defense (the defense was actually named for him) under Ryan's dad. He's got a background with Smitty and this organization (was a defensive assistant last year here) and knows Arthur Blank well (was the HC for the Georgia Force). His familiarity not only with the 46 (played it and coaches it this year) plus him getting experience this year under Ryan's 3-4 46 scheme might be a winning combination.

My only wish was that he'd have coordinator experience. But then again, we're probably not going to get an established coordinator for our DC position, assuming we get rid of BVG, since it would be a lateral move. We'll more than likely have to go with an ex-HC or a up-and-coming position coach.

But Plank has HC experience and was a DC in the AFL. And, as a former safety who teaches the secondary, those guys always seem to make really good coaches (I guess because the safeties have to know so much about the defense since they are counted on in both the run and passing games).

Just a thought. ;)

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Cut Anderson? Sorry, but I totally disagree. He was made for the 34. Plus, he still very, very young.

You'd want to cut a player who would be perfect for this scheme in favor of an aged vet who's on the last years of his career?

Now, I wouldn't be opposed to signing Seymore to tutor Anderson. But Anderson is and has always been the proto 7 technique player. We've just been trying to fit him in a 43.

Anderson doesnt have the strength nor the desire or will to play 3/4 DE ..Yes he has the perfect type body for DE in system

but you need relentless from the position cause you will face constant double teams ..You need to also have show fleet of foot and

shed blocks in and get to space..

I would rather give Jerry/Babs a crack and get a guy like Seymour in FA

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