Buccaneers ready to raid the The Atlanta 'White Elephants'

[sporkdevil]

Sporkdevil thou "Supreme Falcon" how dare I grow a brain. Listen, your beef with me

isn't the fact that I refuse to give an answer that's suitable. Unbeknown to you I

answered your reply, your highness. Besides, when was the election and why didn't

I have a vote? At what point did you become the "President" of the MB and was held

responsible for speaking on behalf of all posters great and small.

I will put in bold the obvious questions, but there are a few things calling you just wrong which I guess you could respond to:

What team doesn't rely on at least a few good no namers? None of them. I've talked to logic, and logic says it is fairly unlikely to have 53 Hall of Famers on one team at one time.

Snelling is backup, behind Norwood and Turner. Yes, Stecker as a 4th string running back isn't great. I knew we should have traded for Adrian Peterson and put him at 4th string, so instead of the few limited plays Stecker had, we would have been able to impress random message board guy who has been a member for a few months.

Hayes is a backup FB, who can also play RB. I guess, in theory, he is like 3rd string FB/5th string RB. No, he's not destined for Canton. Quick! Name a "future" Hall of Famer RB currently on New England, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, etc. You know, one of the perennial playoff teams.

Well, to be fair, Hayes was on the Steelers. And how many teams keep 4 running backs on their roster? But you expect us to keep 4 backs who should all be able to be "elite"?

And why are you complaining about Hill? We dropped a 7th round pick for him. Obviously no one really wanted him. How much less could we get him for?

And how is Elam "finally" showing his true colors? He has been automatic for the past almost 20 years.

I also find it hilarious that one of the first year we don't push up against the cap, we can't win because we aren't spending money. We are paying out loads of money. And the teams that are pushed up against the cap, aren't the consistent winners.

We might not be "elite" yet, but we are a young team. One of the youngest in the leagues. Crazy that some people expect us to have 5 Superbowls a year and a half after we get a new GM.

Your reply:

I admire your candid response. As a MB poster who has over 6,000+

posts I should respect your knowledge of the game and this team in particular. As a

genuis even Einstein was wrong about several of his theories. Michael Jordan missed as

many game winning shots as he made. And you sir, are neither. You know the problem(s)

with a lot of you "Supreme" posters are that you're long in the tooth and vision

impaired by the blinders.

All you did was spell genius wrong, and then make general, sweeping statements not related to anything. Like I said you did. Continue growing that "brain". I have no beef with you, just the point that you give no answers. Then you act like you are right.

Edited November 29, 2009 by sporkdevil

[Falcons Ace]

Jenkins and Elam are garbage - look at their stats. Jenkins has only 380 yards and he's a starting WR. He also has ZERO TDs. Which other starting WR in the league has 380 yards and 0 TDs? Elam's field goal % is in the 60s.

Link: http://www.nfl.com/stats/player

Jenkins wasn't drafted in the 1st round by TD, and was signed to simply perform as a #2 or #3 WR, and his contract reflects that. His performance has been less than stellar this year, but his statistics are not abnormal. for a #2 WR on a run first team. Look at the players in his area of statistics.

Dwayne Bowe, Roy Williams, Davone Bess, Johnny Knox, and Kevin Walter.

Statistics say that Elam is having a poor year, but Elam is a multi-Probowler who just came off his best season. Starting the year with a hip injury and recently seeming to have timing issues between him and the new LS while being in a slump himself has hurt us this year. Calling Jason Elam a garbage player is ridiculous though.

You also fail to mention acquisitions who have performed very well for us in FA. Michael Turner, Brian Williams, and Mike Peterson being a few prime examples. You also seem to ignore the fact that it is literally impossible to build a team with good depth without several years of drafting, while TD has only had two years to draft and play in FA.

[Dr. Billings]

I will put in bold the obvious questions, but there are a few things calling you just wrong which I guess you could respond to:

What team doesnt rely on a few good no namers?

Answer: No team relies on no namers Most teams prefer role players.

Name a future Hall of Famer RB currently on N.E. Indianapolis, or Pitt?

Answer: This has nothing to do with my statement Irrelevant question

How much less can we get Hill for?

Answer: Try nothing, 31 teams passed on him for a reason. N.E. got Brady with a 6th rounder.

How is Elam finally showing his true colors?

Answer: Listen, ******** kid, Ill make this simple as possible. The title of this

post is Buccaneers ready to raid the Atlanta White Elephants

One mans trash is another mans treasure Elam was the Broncos used Trash, as was Hill,

Haynes, and Stecker from their respective teams. Jason was solid for 20 years in

Denver. The Broncos knew he was washed up. We took their Trash, whom might I add

played well last year. This year hes showing his true colors as a washed

up kicker. Tomorrow we can work on numbers and colors.

Edited November 29, 2009 by Dr. Billings

[Mr. Right]

What team doesn't rely on at least a few good no namers?

Every team has no namers because they don't get television exposure. But being a no namer does not mean you do not perform on the field - Elam and Jenkins fail to perform.

Jenkins wasn't drafted in the 1st round by TD, and was signed to simply perform as a #2 or #3 WR, and his contract reflects that. His performance has been less than stellar this year, but his statistics are not abnormal. for a #2 WR on a run first team. Look at the players in his area of statistics.

Dwayne Bowe, Roy Williams, Davone Bess, Johnny Knox, and Kevin Walter.

Statistics say that Elam is having a poor year, but Elam is a multi-Probowler who just came off his best season. Starting the year with a hip injury and recently seeming to have timing issues between him and the new LS while being in a slump himself has hurt us this year. Calling Jason Elam a garbage player is ridiculous though.

You also fail to mention acquisitions who have performed very well for us in FA. Michael Turner, Brian Williams, and Mike Peterson being a few prime examples. You also seem to ignore the fact that it is literally impossible to build a team with good depth without several years of drafting, while TD has only had two years to draft and play in FA.

Evan at number 2, Jenkins is not performing up to standards. And you do know we pass more than we run. Believe or not, the Saints run more than they pass - and their number 2 WR Devery Henderson not only has more yards, more TDs than Jenkins, but also a smaller contract. Henderson is signed at 3 million a year and Jenkins is signed at 5 million a year - and Henderson signed this year compared to Jenkins who signed last year. Due to contract inflation and how contract numbers go up each year, this means Henderson signed for even less than Jenkins did! Maybe they are 10-0 because they know how to make roster moves?

Alright, Elam is a pro-bowler but he's not a pro-bowler this year. This is a what have you done for me now league, not what have you done for me 10 years ago. His play is garbage right now. We might as well offer Barry Sanders a contract too since he was good back in the day.

Young Tom wants to build through the draft? How do we do that if we don't even have draft picks? We traded our second rounder for Gonzalez and a seventh rounder for Hill. Why would we trade a second rounder away if we are rebuilding? Also, even though 7th round picks normally turn out to be nothing, with Tom's so-called 'genius' scouting skills, we should get a Marquis Colston right?

White elephants - Elam, Jenkins, etc...

Edited November 29, 2009 by Mr. Right

[Goal Line D]

F this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we just let it die already!

Don't give me this crap about posting on it either.

I'm here all the time and the fact that this sh** thread continues to be bumped makes me pis***!

Go falcons!

Edited November 29, 2009 by Goal Line D

[Falcons Ace]

Evan at number 2, Jenkins is not performing up to standards. And you do know we pass more than we run. Believe or not, the Saints run more than they pass - and their number 2 WR Devery Henderson not only has more yards, more TDs than Jenkins, but also a smaller contract. Henderson is signed at 3 million a year and Jenkins is signed at 5 million a year - and Henderson signed this year compared to Jenkins who signed last year. Due to contract inflation and how contract numbers go up each year, this means Henderson signed for even less than Jenkins did! Maybe they are 10-0 because they know how to make roster moves?

Alright, Elam is a pro-bowler but he's not a pro-bowler this year. This is a what have you done for me now league, not what have you done for me 10 years ago. His play is garbage right now. We might as well offer Barry Sanders a contract too since he was good back in the day.

Young Tom wants to build through the draft? How do we do that if we don't even have draft picks? We traded our second rounder for Gonzalez and a seventh rounder for Hill. Why would we trade a second rounder away if we are rebuilding? Also, even though 7th round picks normally turn out to be nothing, with Tom's so-called 'genius' scouting skills, we should get a Marquis Colston right?

White elephants - Elam, Jenkins, etc...

No one is denying Jenkins hasn't been performing up to his play last year, but is that on TD? Nope, and comparing him to a WR on a pass first team, just one of our of 32 is hardly a legit comparison. Nearly all but a few team's in the league pass more than they run, but doesn't make them pass first. Vice-verse with the Saints, they are a passing team. We are a run first team, and minimal football knowledge should let you recognize that.

Elam was Pro Bowl caliber last year, when he had the most accurate year of his career. A 2nd round pick for arguably the best TE in NFL history for at least 3 years I hardly a bad trade, and a 7th round pick for a potential starting CB isn't a bad deal either. You're more likely to get a contributing player involving a trade for a 7th rounder than drafting one.

[savage77]

people people cool it with the big words..... we have some idiots on here posting lol..... isnt that right mr. wrong lol

[Mr. Right]

No one is denying Jenkins hasn't been performing up to his play last year, but is that on TD? Nope, and comparing him to a WR on a pass first team, just one of our of 32 is hardly a legit comparison. Nearly all but a few team's in the league pass more than they run, but doesn't make them pass first. Vice-verse with the Saints, they are a passing team. We are a run first team, and minimal football knowledge should let you recognize that.

Elam was Pro Bowl caliber last year, when he had the most accurate year of his career. A 2nd round pick for arguably the best TE in NFL history for at least 3 years I hardly a bad trade, and a 7th round pick for a potential starting CB isn't a bad deal either. You're more likely to get a contributing player involving a trade for a 7th rounder than drafting one.

Then what makes a team pass first and run first if the ratio between pass and run don't mean anything? Ken Whisenhunt has said that the Cardinals are a run first team but do you believe that? We may put an emphasis on the run, but in the end, we've still passed more than we've ran.

Regardless if a team is pass first or run first, what matters is how many passing attempts Ryan has. And he has 344 dropbacks. The run/pass ratio for the Falcons is 280/344. Compare that to the very similar Cowboys of 288/359. The Cowboys 2nd string WR (its either Roy Williams or Patrick Crayton) both have more yards and TDs than Michael Jenkins. Jenkins has not been performing. Everybody says Tom did not draft Jenkins, but Tom did re-sign him as well as trade away Laurent Robinson thinking that Jenkins would be a solid number 2 WR. The point I'm making here is not only that Jenkins sucks, but also he's not worth his contract. If Jenkins makes $500,000 a year, then he's playing to his contract, but Jenkins makes $5 million a year. And who gave him all that money? Young Tom.

Again, trading for a future HOF who only is here for 2 years is not what a 'rebuilding' team does. We lose a high draft pick as well as only get Gonzalez to play for us for 1 more year after this. And the Hill trade was just treasuring another team's trash. If Hill couldn't even start for the Rams, what do you think he'd do for the Falcons - unless we are worse than the Rams. And Tom has 'genius' drafting skills so a 7th rounder could have turned into a probowler.

Edited November 29, 2009 by Mr. Right